Please, NO.

[kpete]

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/08/27/20209022-military-strikes-on-syria-as-early-as-thursday-us-officials-say?lite

No WAR.

No Bombs.

No "Surgical Strikes"

No.






peace, please, kp

[Hell Hath No Fury]

1. Shit.

[warrant46]

53. Just watched ABC News and Martha Raddatz Frothing at the Mouth

I once saw a dog with Rabies acting the same way.

Totally outrageous adjectives and verbs she was using.

The only thing missing was a description of baby incubators being overturned and the young occupants being stomped with jack boots.

Looks like the Mainstream news media is Totally In Line to support another war.

They certainly are ready to whip up the usual crew

[WCLinolVir]

105. Yesterday commentator on NPR said "we have to strike" on a news segment.

This was not a panel discussion. Was not even offered as commentary.

[mindwalker_i]

2. But if we don't go to war again

how will all those poor CEOs of military contract firms get their bonuses?

Think of the children!

[polichick]

4. Yep - that's the mic that Eisenhower warned about.

[myrna minx]

3. I feel sick. Just sick. I didn't vote for this.

[Jackpine Radical]

28. Ain't that the truth!

Hi Myrna

[KoKo]

45. NO...we absolutely DID NOT...But, they listened to a Different Drummer...

the Drums of the "Project for New American Century" and Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and the Crew that supports them.

I was so impressed that Ted Kennedy supported Obama. He's actually the only reason I voted for Obama (along with Caroline Kennedy's support) because I had worries about his FAST RISE to Stardom of Presidency. But, if they supported him....I gave him my vote...and the Second Time when I was disappointed I listened to the "Nation Magazine" ....I swallowed my grave, foreboding thoughts about him and dutifully went to the polls. We were told by "Progressive Dems" that in his "Second Term" he would not trash the Left of the Dems (what used to be Mainstream Dems...now the hated Left)...

But, his Second Term he Hit the GROUND RUNNING towards the RIGHT...and Stuck us in the HEART ...THIS TIME.

He's quite the Fooler...and there are those who will BELIEVE....when all is lost...

Whatever........ Many of us are Very Angry, Disappointed and dealing with Mega Hurt...but there are those who believe he's doing the RIGHT THING. They are Democrats too...or so we are told.

I guess we just "GET OVER OURSELVES" as the CNN COVERAGE ...beats the WAR DRUMS and tells us how important the GLOBAL WAR IS....for our American Future.

Whatever.........

[NealK]

88. I know what you mean.

[N_E_1 for Tennis]

102. +1 explained exactly! Thank you.

[andlor]

108. +1

Thank You!!!

[juajen]

125. It is a conundrum.

I actually would support a dedicated strike, if I thought we were being told the truth. Sounds too much like the little babies being stomped on to justify the Iraq crap. We just can't believe them anymore.

I hope Obama is not the disappointment so many of us are feeling. Even though I did not support him in the primary, I hoped he would prove me wrong. I still do. I adore his family, just don't trust him on this war thingie.

I am glad that Hillary Clinton is no longer SOS, and shudder at the country she might be in charge of in 2016. I am so tired of the middle east. We would have no interest in them whatsoever if they weren't sitting on top of a tremendous amount of oil.

Alternative energy is the answer, but we are ruled by the oil interests in this country, and the progress that has come to other countries in this beleaguered world will be denied us unless a miracle happens.

I do still believe in miracles. I hope she has a brilliant mind, iron-like strength, blonde hair and beautiful blue eyes. I know she is strong and compassionate, and, I hope that strength will be a changing factor.

I honestly believe that we need someone who has the capacity to nurture life, who feels the terror of having that child or any other woman's child torn to pieces by a bomb or gun, to finally lead this country to become a more compassionate and progressive country without guns and bombs strewn in our path for a legacy, while the world quakes.

[Alcibiades]

126. Hillarry Clinton already has a short list

of the countries she would like to bomb and invade after she is anointed in 2016.

[juajen]

128. Bullshit! Where are your citations for making that ridiculous remark?

[Alcibiades]

140. Because past behavior predicts future behavior

Unlike many Obama supporters, I knew what we were getting in 2008: a centrist Midwestern Democrat. I didn't expect him to be too different from other centrists in the party, such as the Clintons, but at least he knew better than to support the Iraq War, something that couldn't be said of Clinton.

And now he is about to embark on another adventure in the Middle East.

Neither Clinton, nor Obama, nor Kerry are alone in this. It seems almost all the folks who are "serious contenders" for the nomination this time around, and all the inside the beltway Democrats, are out of touch with what Democratic voters actually want, which is not another damn war. But once you get to go to these high level meetings with security officials, the language of imperialism takes root in one's mind. To a child with a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Here's a citation.

""Every nation has to either be with us, or against us. Those who harbor terrorists, or who finance them, are going to pay a price." Hilary Clinton

We need to get out of this cycle. Who will be the Eugene McCarthy of this generation? You cannot be clean for Gene if there is no Gene for whom to be clean.

[LiberalLovinLug]

134. Well put

I admit that I did not approve of some of the tactics used by the Clintons during the primary. Combined with the seemingly much more progressive platform of Obama, and the fact that he did not want the Iraq war sealed the deal.

But now as we see that it was all a shell game, and that Obama is following Tony Blair's example in working hard for the 1% in the hopes of setting him and his family up with lucrative positions on multinational corporation's executive boards once he leaves office.

So now I have a slim hope that Hillary will run and win and actually be more than another opportunistic politician. That she will have learned from her husbands time in office and will have some perspective and not be simply hell-bent on pleasing the corporate class and only have derision for the progressive base of her own party.

[progressoid]

5. Somebody wants another Nobel Peace Prize!

[Plucketeer]

42. MAybe they meant "Piece" prize

as when ones packin' a piece.

[NealK]

89. Kissinger got one too so why not.

[SammyWinstonJack]

94. HA!

[abelenkpe]

6. Maybe worldwide massive protests

Would stop this shit?

O wait... Nope. Tried that and Iraq happened anyway.

Warmongers make me sick too

[truedelphi]

7. The peace dividends that we as a a nation need

To firm up our infra structure, and take care of the real "terrors" of cutting our school budgets back, and the roads and bridges needing repairs, etc, are now to be put on hold, while we again become the "Defender of the Free World." And this time around, if you protest, the NSA gets a nice report on you and yours.

I join you in the

[kentuck]

22. Well said.

[deurbano]

29. Well put. I'm so sick of this.

[MerryBlooms]

8. Aw shit.

[bowens43]

9. fucking assholes drooling over the next war......

[Divernan]

23. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$MIC$$$$$$$$$$$$$$MIC$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$MIC$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[sulphurdunn]

48. Why shouldn't they?

They're psychopaths who profit from war without risk of fighting or dying in one. They rule the country and don't have to give a good goddamn how we vote or what we think about them either.

[WillyT]

10. Time For Another War To Get Everybody To Shut Up And Obey...

I'm so tired of this shit.

Peace...

[kpete]

11. Peace...

why is it so elusive?



keep on thinking if I say it enough, think it enough.........

stubborn old peace freak here.
kpete

[WillyT]

14. Because The Powers That Be Are Not Creative Enough To Make Money On It...

Maybe...

[kentuck]

24. Stubborn pessimist?

[WillyT]

35. LOL !!! - Skeptical Optimist...

[kentuck]

46. Hey!

[WillyT]

64. :evilgrin:

[Bertha Venation]

12. god dammit

[zeemike]

13. We can tell them no but they are not listening.

they listen to the MIC who need to make some money...and money is the real speech.
We collectively don't have enough money to get them to hear no.

[roamer65]

15. This will be a regional ME war.

The whole map of the Middle East is about to be redrawn.

Very well could be the beginning of WW3.

[H2O Man]

26. I agree.

[kpete]

63. what does it matter what we call it

WWI, II, II, IV, V

perpetual........



but, hey
peace to you H20 Man

kp

[H2O Man]

84. The significance

isn't in the name ..... we could call it "Alfred" if we want. Rather, it's in what the name implies.

"Perpetual war" is the military-industrial state pumping lots of investments into the domestic and foreign economies/lands, but makes the greatest financial profits by maintaining either a cold war, or relatively small, controllable warm wars. The concept that "WW3" communicates is a larger, wide-spread. inter-related hot war. Historically, these types of wars (and I'm not referring only to WW1/2) cause the economic and political collapse of empires. When an empire spreads its violence over too great an area of the world, it loses all "wholesome" control over the application of the destructive forces it unleashes.

That, I believe, is what was meant by saying it could start WW3.

Peace to you, my Friend.

[KoKo]

138. It would take awhile...but for our children and such...WWIII

is a distinct possibility.

You've been away awhile while some of us have been trying to put out the information in your post with links and comments and such.

But, yes. You like some of us have always seen what was coming even though you like many of us worked hard to stop it.

We shall see... But, My Friend from Times Past....I, too find solace in the woods...the animals and what's left of the communication with our environment whenever I have the chance to do it. And the Oceans...and spending time looking at what I remember as a child and how it's changed...and how I don't know how to explain to the "young ones" what the Ocean and Beach and the Woods and Woodlands looked like...when I was growing up.

So...I understand.

[AverageJoe90]

51. "Very well could be the beginning of WW3." I very HIGHLY doubt that.

Probably the biggest problem with your idea.....is the enormous amount of risk that would come with that.
First of all, both China & Russia are heavily dependent on the international market, particularly the former; do you really think Beijing would want to make that kind of a gamble? Their economy would collapse within a week! And then there's the nuclear question: as much of a crook as Putin is, do you really think he'd be willing to gamble with 160 million Russian lives over a dictator whom, like the Iranians, even if not by as much of a degree, isn't exactly a genuine ally, and might actually turn on them in the right circumstances? Putin may be a crook, ditto for Hu Jintao, but he's no Hitler.....Hitler might actually just have gone and nuked people if he'd gotten the chance to do so.

I don't doubt this has the potential to turn into a very nasty regional war, but definitely not WWIII; even Yom Kippur and the war in '82 didn't get to that stage, and both of them had a rather higher chance of doing so, too, in a much more polarized and less connected world.

[Mojorabbit]

58. I also agree. Once it gets started, anything can happen. nt

[RoccoR5955]

16. NO MORE WARS!!!!

This truly sickens me!

[Blue_In_AK]

17. The last thing in the world that needs to happen.

[kpete]

57. you got that right!

peace (again),
kp

[avaistheone1]

18. Time to call our congressional critters and give them hell.

None of the arguments made so far are strong enough for us going to war or throwing around bombs in Syria.

Damn the chickenhawks!

[kpete]

19. Peace,

the ONLY thing worth fighting for,

[avaistheone1]

21. Yes, it is.

I found this quote today and it reminds me of the present dialog on Syria in our country.

Violence in the voice is often only the death rattle of reason in the throat.

-John Boyes

[kentuck]

27. Very appropriate.

Thank you!

[yardwork]

75. Beautiful!

[LongTomH]

82. Fighting for Peace is like fucking for chastity!

Just doesn't make sense!

[totodeinhere]

25. That won't do any good. The attacks will be carried off w/o congressional approval

and the War Powers Act will not be invoked. We would be better off calling the White House and giving them hell.

[avaistheone1]

39. True, but CALL both anyways.

Our congressional critters need to know there is a firestorm of citizen opposition to any U.S. involvement in Syria.
They need to know they are going to have some very, very unhappy constituents in their districts they are going to have to face. Our critters are going to be forced to explain once again why they have done nothing but sit on their hands to avoid another Mid-East conflict.

[totodeinhere]

44. Agreed. n/t

[KoKo]

47. lol's ...Been there and Done That...

It doesn't work..

Think of hated Dennis Kucinich and his work to establish a "Department of Peace" to be a counterbalance to the Pentagon War Machine...

He went UNDER THE BUS.... Who is left to support his vision of a Counterbalance?

[L0oniX]

81. Since when do those fucked fucking fuckers care what the fuck we think or fucking want???

[juajen]

130. Gotta love that very useful word!

[L0oniX]

136. If they are good enough for George Carlin they're good enough for DU. n/t

[DeSwiss]

20. K&R

“All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting.” ~George Orwell, Homage to Catalonia

[Laelth]

30. k&r for exposure. n/t

-Laelth

[Autumn]

31. What's so hard about seeking peace instead of bombs and blood shed?

I don't understand this.

[leftstreet]

32. Where's the profit in that?

+1

[Autumn]

34. It would profit the people, but I guess that's not a concern.

This whole thing just makes me ill.

[asjr]

33. We were led into Iraq by "news" of chemical

warfare when Bush and brothers were talking about invading Iraq. I hope we are not getting the wrong message again.

[another_liberal]

36. Hear! Hear!

Stop this madness now, while we still can!

[AsahinaKimi]

55. WAR!

[another_liberal]

59. Mighty, mighty, mighty bad feeling tonight.

Is this how our lives will be measured out, just one war after another?

It's too much pain, too much loss and too much waste to contemplate.

Must we really let this madness rule us? Is there no way to stop it?

[AsahinaKimi]

60. What if we all emailed this song

to President Obama. Do you think he might get the hint?

[another_liberal]

61. If we don't try . . .

We will never know if we don't try.

[AsahinaKimi]

62. If you know the email address...

Maybe we should start a post... for everyone at DU to just mail the song to that address, what ya think?

found it: [e-mail]

[another_liberal]

65. This will get us there.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/submit-questions-and-comments

It takes a minute to fill out the info. I'm doing it.

[another_liberal]

68. I also started a string on General Comments.

Here's to good luck! Here's to peace!

[AsahinaKimi]

69. Yeah...I did a poll..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023546151

So far its not getting much legs yet.

[another_liberal]

71. Many others must be doing the same kinds of things.

Most of the country really doesn't want this war. Maybe it's still not too late.

[AsahinaKimi]

72. I am surprised most of DU is ignoring my poll

Geeze, imagine if the topic was something else?

[another_liberal]

98. The President is hearing from many people who don't want war.

Though the generals may have louder voices, surely there are many, many more of us.

[NJCher]

37. hey, we have suffering and bloodshed

Let's add more suffering and bloodshed!

That's the ticket!

Geniuses, all of them.


Cher

[bvar22]

38. DURec!

[font size=3]“The president does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.” [/font]---Senator Obama, 12-20-2007

[area51]

101. Remember that this is the same man

who said that single-payer was the best answer to our health care problems, then who later said he wouldn't sign any health care legislation without a public option.

Obama will turn in whatever direction the republican wind is blowing.

[yellowwoodII]

40. We've Been Down This Road Before

It was a hard old rocky road. Lots of potholes. Unexpected hazards. Foggy. The tolls were exorbitant. No end in sight. We asked 1 percent of us to carry all of the burden. Except for the expense. Most of us shared that.

[KoKo]

41. " State Department fed the growing drumbeat around the world for a military response...

Where is this GROWING DRUMBEAT for MILITARY RESPONSE AROUND THE WORLD?

WHERE? WHERE?

Look at the USA POLL NUMBERS...there's NO DRUMBEAT!

is all I can say as a DU'er who stood on Street Corners, Behind Citizen Barriers and did ALL I COULD to stop the Iraq Invasion and kept it up in Peace Vigils for over a Year after in my Capitol City in the SOUTH!

It's such a Sharp Stick in My Eye..and in my HEART!

This is all we have now. The "Candle Vigil" that something will stop this and if not now...then one day in the future and more and more WAKE UP.

This is really so Distressing and OTT....

--------------
FROM YOUR POST:
The State Department fed the growing drumbeat around the world for a military response to Syria's suspected use of chemical weapons against rebels Aug. 21 near Damascus, saying that while the U.S. intelligence community would release a formal assessment within the week, it was already "crystal clear" that Assad's government was responsible.

[PatrynXX]

43. Ironic

Democrats and Tea Party members agreeing we shouldn't go to war. o_O

This is how Iraq has f*cked us. It destabilized the area.... The dead from this civil war can be blamed on 2 men. George and Dick. and I can't even voice to text Dicks name without it being **** on me on the phone. Iraq in that case. we chose one group of Muslims over another group of Muslims. Now the non Al Qaeida (sp ) linked groups want our help to even the playing field. I do agree with leveling the playing field. Like Libya.

The only way we will go to war and I've told my tea part dad of this. Is the old Guard republicans will convince Obama to do it. (Lindsay Graham, John McCain D*** Cheney. Course dad's response is Obama just wants to make sure the Muslim Brotherhood controls the world. Syria was just fine until Iraq (which If I say I rack, will get my head lopped off. vs I rahk) fell apart.

[bigwillq]

49. With a cherry on top.

Say No to War.

[George II]

50. Maybe we should just turn our backs and ignore that innocent children are being killed....

...an awful death by the hundreds, maybe thousands, by their own government?

Striking Syria isn't something anyone wants, but no one wants to see hundreds or thousands of innocent civilians being killed either.

[blackspade]

85. And how is that different from any other conflict over the last 50 years?

Did we bomb the fuck out of Sudan over Darfur?
Did we bomb Rowanda over ethnic cleansing?
Have we crushed the North Koreans?
The list goes on and on.

We are not the world's fucking police. The more we act like it the more enemies we create.

[greiner3]

87. "And how is that different from any other conflict..."

I'd say the Balkan war was different.

President Clinton stayed out of Rwanda and was deeply troubled when it was found there were hundreds of thousands dead from its genocidal war.

NATO's, and in particular the US's, intervention most assuredly saved many civilian lives, cost few NATO deaths and was the right thing to do, even though I am against war.

As for Syria, I can't quite make up my mind if it is the 'right course of action'.




But I do not make policy, so...

[blackspade]

111. I will admit that I have mixed feelings about the Balkans.

It turned out much better than I expected.

You do bring up a good point though.

[George II]

107. None of those three used chemical weapons

[blackspade]

110. So what? They are just as dead either way.

Is it more humane to starve to death? Get blown to bits?
Have the oxygen pulled out of their lungs by a bomb blast?
Get riddled with bullets?

So, your going to quivel about the method of death?
There is no point in the US getting involved in this civil war.

[raccoon]

119. Remember Rwanda? Lots of innocent civilians were killed there. US never intervened. nt

[AllyCat]

52. I'm sorry I voted for this. Both choices would have done this

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We can only call and write our congress critters in hope of stopping this.

[Bluenorthwest]

113. Congress really is not part of the decision any longer, are they?

nt

[AllyCat]

120. You seem to be right about that. Protests in the streets?

I wonder if any Obama-hating Republicans would protest. Would be great if it was bi-partisan and more massive than 2003 (which was huge in many places, even in the U.S.)

[AsahinaKimi]

54. Doesn't seem like the only thing the United States was ever great at...

was going to war? How many wars has this been? I have lost count, after Desert Storm. Damn, why don't we find a way to bring more, I don't know, how about Baseball, to the world? Or something positive?

[mstinamotorcity2]

56. Wars make enemies.

And I really thought we had enough in America.

[postulater]

66. We're not broke yet. The Kochs still don't own everything.

We need another WAR!!!

Grrrrrrr!

[sabrina 1]

67. Syria has been on the list for years, it was only a matter of time. We are nothing but

warmongers, we instigated the unrest in Syria and in Libya in order to rile things up to the point where we could claim we 'have to go there'.

It isn't fooling anyone except war profiteers and blind partisans.

So where is the money we supposedly don't have, coming from?

[kpete]

73. in writing....

http://library.rumsfeld.com/doclib/sp/1686/2003-04-07%20to%20Doug%20Feith%20re%20Issues%20with%20Various%20Countries.pdf#search=%22Libya%22

[Flying Squirrel]

70. "If there is no action, we are afraid that in the coming days, Bashar will use chemical...

weapons and chemical materials against very wide areas and, I'm afraid, to kill maybe 20,000 or 30,000 more people," he said.

---

So, instead, we'll get involved and eventually kill at least ten times that many.

Pre-emptive war, yet again. Huzzah.

[sabrina 1]

74. Yes, but the people we kill won't be as dead. And the people we torture will only be

exposed to 'enhanced interrogation'. It's not the same, really.

And the people we 'detain' or send to Guantanamo, won't be as locked up.

And yes, we will kill ten times as many as Assad, but it's for a noble cause. And if we don't take pictures, if we just 'move forward' the numbers will blur. We will only remember the other dead, the ones who died before got there.

We don't look at photos of the murdered if WE murdered them. Have you noticed how many videos and photos of the atrocities in Syria we are seeing now and I haven't heard a single complaint such as 'This is War Porn, why are you posting this here? Or this OP should be deleted, it should have had a 'graphic warning'.

That is because it's okay to see atrocities, until they are our atrocities.

Ours will remain invisible.

It's a neat trick.

[dflprincess]

78. +1000

I wish I could think of something more articulate in support of your post - but you said it all.

[NealK]

95. "...we'll get involved and eventually kill at least ten times that many."

Reminds me of "We had to destroy the village in order to save it."

[bobduca]

76. C'mon Guys Our "Credibility" is on the line and stuff!

You know that manly man stuff that involves killing when we say we will? Who on the world's stage will believe us when it comes to the next red line?1?1?

What passive voice statements will push us to illegal but profitable wars of choice then?

How will the sensible centrists or eeeeevil republicans lie us into war unless to prove Credibility?

[Initech]

77. No. Last thing we need is another trillion dollar stalemate.

[HumansAndResources]

92. Libya Wasn't a Stalemate - "Our" Jihadi-Terrorists Run the Joint Now

Not that this is something to celebrate.

Too bad that massive water-pipeline can't feed 1/2 of Africa, as planned - how would the Transnationals ever control them if they could "eat" without "permission" from Transnational Corporations and "donations" if they vote the right way in the UN.

And, of course, there was all that "sweet crude" money that Libya was "wasting" providing its citizens with the highest standard of living in the region; only Scandinavians are "allowed" do that.

[bvar22]

117. Exactly!

” For all his dictatorial megalomania, Gaddafi is a committed pan-African - a fierce defender of African unity. Libya was not in debt to international bankers. It did not borrow cash from the International Monetary Fund for any "structural adjustment". It used oil money for social services - including the Great Man Made River project, and investment/aid to sub-Saharan countries. Its independent central bank was not manipulated by the Western financial system. All in all a very bad example for the developing world.”

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MD27Ak01.html

The only WINNERS in Libya were the Global Banks, the Global Resource Extraction Industry, and the IMF.
Very scary to think that the Global Banks & IMF can use NATO as their Enforcement Arm.

[Phlem]

79. why do we pay these guys?

-p


peace

[L0oniX]

80. This post was hidden by jury decision.

If I said what the fuck I really fucking think about this fucked up fucking war shit ...a fucking bunch of fucked up fucking fuckers would fucking vote to fucking hide it.

[blackspade]

83. Oh, fuck no!

This has got to be the stupidest policy decision out of this administration.

[PowerToThePeople]

90. enjoy your stay

[NealK]

93. That was a short stay.

[Brewinblue]

91. This

will end poorly.

[Jamastiene]

96. Here we go

again.

[blkmusclmachine]

97. BUT ... SOMEBODY'S got to make some $$$ off this Syria thing.

Leave no good money-making opportunity unexploited!!!

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[democrank]

99. I`m starting to see a trend....

Congress on vacation, many Americans suffering,veterans waiting for appointments, another war starting.

To be fair, Junior Bush should get a "Peace Prize" too.

[Little Star]

100. k&r

[ladyVet]

103. I'm with you.

But then, I'm not profiting off the MIC. No war profiteering left behind. I just hope to keep my youngest son out of it.

[RC]

104. Someday the rest of the world is going to figure out which countries are causing all the turmoil and

strife and put a stop to it.
Since there are only two and the main one outsourced its manufacturing to elsewhere (more profits), the cure will be painful for us.

[BlueMTexpat]

106. If only the media would stop pushing

warmonger themes and begin investigating the facts - which are not known.

Why on earth would any Syrian group (Assad OR the rebels - and frankly, all are unpalatable, IMO) attack other Syrians with chemical weapons?

To me, this smacks thoroughly of outsider interference, e.g., covert ops, to encourage Western intervention. IMO, the moment Prez O used the "chemical weapons" theme as a "red line," Syrians were doomed. That phrase was a mistake and he should never have said it. It encouraged the warmongers to go ahead with an attack that would give him no choice but to follow through.

If only we would let well enough alone. Humanitarian intervention is one thing. Military intervention should be off the table entirely. We have NO business interfering militarily. None whatsoever.

[dgibby]

121. Funny you should say this.

I was just thinking that this whole thing reeks as a CIA covert op. Glad to know I have company!

I don't get the the furor about the use of chemical weapons. What's the difference between that and depleted uranium or phosphorus? They're all horrible.

I think the "red line" line was nothing more than a pretext to get involved. As cautious as this President is, I find it difficult to believe he misspoke.

Maybe my tinfoil hat is on too tight, but when it comes to war, I don't trust anyone.

[BlueMTexpat]

123. That's a good policy! eom

[LiberalLovinLug]

135. The Red Line

Was also useful (for warmongers) in how he played it. He did not jump in when the first indications of gas usage was revealed. Instead he sat back and waited for the inevitable Republican chicken hawks to publically egg him on. If he would have rushed right in, he would have been bombarded with a totally different set of talking points from the GOP. As it was, he waited until they just couldn't keep biting their tongues (maybe that spurned on their blood lust) and since they always do the opposite of what Obama wants, the President cleverly waited until it was they that led the charge with "the President's red line has been crossed so what are we waiting for...?"

[AAO]

109. Time to kill more innocent civilians in a show of STRENGTH!

[Marrah_G]

112. sigh

Unfuckingbelievable

Nobel peace prize should be revoked

[duhneece]

114. Instead of bombs, why not drop video-capable phones or cameras

What if every man, woman, child and dog in Syria could record the atrocities. People don't like being caught commiting violence, do they? What if they knew their atrocities would come into the light?

That's my creative option. I"m sure there are others we could try.

[democrank]

115. KICK

[area51]

116. Sure, we can go to war.

We have money to burn, because:

- Apparently there's no homeless people in the US.
- Apparently no one goes to bed hungry at night.
- No one in this country dies due to lack of health care.
- Needed medications are really cheap and no one has to either split pills in half, forego medication altogether, or go without food in order to afford medicine.
- Our infrastructure isn't crumbling.
- Parents of disabled children get all the help they need in taking care of them.
- Disabled people are given enough money to live on.
- Nobody needs solar, wind or water power so let's not try to transition away from oil and coal.
- There is full employment and no one has any problem in getting a job.
- Etc.

/sarcasm

[proverbialwisdom]

118. Good read.

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What the Assault on Whistleblowers Has to Do With War on Syria
Norman Solomon

WEDNESDAY, 28 AUGUST 2013 10:22

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Norman Solomon is co-founder of RootsAction.org and founding director of the Institute for Public Accuracy. His books include “War Made Easy: How Presidents and Pundits Keep Spinning Us to Death.” Information about the documentary based on the book is at http://www.warmadeeasythemovie.org .

PETITION: http://act.rootsaction.org/p/dia/action3/common/public/?action_KEY=8463

[Blue Owl]

122. God Fucking Dammit.

Did we learn nothing from Bu$hCo's blundering buffoonery?

[lark]

124. No peace is to be found in that region.

So sad, so stupid! So, we bomb Syria, so what does that do, really? Does it necessarily mean Assad goes, No. Does it mean nice democractic people take over from Assad, hell No. At worst, it means that Al-Quaeda takes over Syria, or there is even worse civil war there and more people die as the opposition gets hopeful, or worst of all, Iran comes to Syria's aid and we are in all regional conflict that is out of control.

Come on government folks, use your heads. Responding to the Faux outrage is stupid, it doesn't get us anything good, will just cause other problems that make the first set look puny. Obama, you don't need to prove anything to anybody on this front, you don't need to give in to the 1% - JUST SAY NO!! Please!!!!!

[grasswire]

127. maybe young people should stop joining the military

Force a draft.

I realize that many join the military because there are no jobs, however. How convenient for the MIC.

[glinda]

129. while the planet burns

[sakabatou]

131. Dammit.

[toby jo]

132. Remember when O was sticking up his nose at Hillary because she voted for military action in Iraq?

He said, 'oh no, not me. I would have voted against it.' He bought a lot of good will and votes with that stance.

I thought he was a hypocrite then & here he is showing his colors.

Nothing but chaos from war, and god knows who will rule or what will happen.

[benld74]

133. F*CK ME! HELL NO!

[calimary]

137. I know what you mean, kpete.

This is SUCH a no-win situation.

[kpete]

139. calimary

Is this the best we humans can do?




peace to you,
kp