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whttevrr

(2,345 posts)
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 09:59 AM Aug 2013

A question about Syria: Is this a religious civil war?

And it's corollary: Should The USA be tasked with policing a religious fight?


Sorry, no links... But I do recall reading that Syria accepted all Muslim refugees into their country and gave them a subsidy until they could find employment. The majority of the influx was Sunni Muslims form Iraq. Iran backs the Shiite faction of Muslims that are in power in Syria; they are the Alawis.

If these statements are incorrect please let me know. If they are correct, how do we justify imposing our will in a religious civil war?

I do understand that chemical weapons are an atrocity, but how do our bombs help the survivors of a chemical agent attack? Shouldn't we send doctors instead of bombs? Or am I being too Pollyanna?

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NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
1. It's a religious war for some, revolution for others, and proxy war for others.
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 10:01 AM
Aug 2013

It's complex and can simply be categorized as one or the other.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
2. yes and no. There are so many rebel groups representing so many different things.
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 10:01 AM
Aug 2013

Some represent religious factions, some represent various political ideologies, it's a mess.

whttevrr

(2,345 posts)
8. In considering this...
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 10:09 AM
Aug 2013

We should not act without a majority of the neighbor states asking us to intercede.

There seems to be no legal cause for us to act militarily without full and open debate, and a vote from The US Congress.

whttevrr

(2,345 posts)
12. Yeah... responded there as well.
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 10:13 AM
Aug 2013

I do not see any path into this religious quagmire that does not involve the world asking us for help. But, if a majority of the world does not believe in the evidence presented nor the solution we offer, who are we to act unilaterally?

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
3. Not particularly, except where it is
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 10:03 AM
Aug 2013

Sigh.

There was a chart someone had, but it left out the Kurds.

It's religious, tribal, political, and "other", all at once.

 

MotherPetrie

(3,145 posts)
4. I think you're asking questions that need to be asked and answered before
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 10:04 AM
Aug 2013

The U.S. starts WW3 on behalf of Israel.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
11. please stop with this simplistic nonsense and demonization
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 10:12 AM
Aug 2013

blaming this all on Israel is ridiculous. Yes, Israel is a factor but hardly the only one. One person got kicked off of DU for going over the edge with that line of thought. I'm not suggesting that you've gone that far, and I hope you don't.

This has much more to do with U.S. policy, history and reactivity than it does with Israel.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
6. In large part, yes.
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 10:05 AM
Aug 2013

The ruling Alawites are a small branch of S'hia and constitute about 12% of the Syrian population. Sectarian strife is central to the conflict, although it's not the only factor. The conflict arose out of the Arab Spring so its genesis wasn't of a religious origin- at least not ostensibly.



 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
7. Yes and no
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 10:07 AM
Aug 2013

It is basically a Sunni religious war to defeat the Shiite Alawites.

However, the Alawites have tended to rule in a reasonably secular fashion, and to not impose their religion on the others, which include the Sunni muslim majority and several other minorities. The religious minorities include the Alawites, the Christians, Druze, and a few others.

Were the Sunni Islamists to win, the most likely outcome is the murder and persecution of the other minorities, especially the Alawites.

Backing the Sunnis is a good idea only if you favor an islamic theocratic state in Syria.

dawg

(10,621 posts)
10. It's an f-ed up quagmire is what it is.
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 10:11 AM
Aug 2013

There are no good guys. There are no bad guys. There's only you and me, and we just disagree.

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
14. Would there even be a conflict in Syria now, if we have not invaded Iraq?
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 10:22 AM
Aug 2013

Most likely not. And Baghdad would still have their World Class Museum, with the priceless artifacts, most of which are now either destroyed, or hidden away in the basements of large mansions, all over the world.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
17. perhaps the question, then isn't whether it's "a religious war" but more "what are the religious
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 02:39 PM
Aug 2013

dimensions?"--especially since that lets one see more easily factors beyond theological difference (e.g., Riyadh and the meta-Salafists)

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