Secretary John Kerry: No plan for war.

[ProSense]

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His speech was clear, and he laid out the process for making a decision. He said any response would not be open-ended. It will be nothing like Afghanistan, Iraq or Libya, and it will not involve war. No troops.

He did not confirm a limited strike.

Full transcript of Secretary of State John Kerry's remarks on Syria
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023563815

[peoli]

1. It was a horrible speech. We Will attack. Our Egos have been threatened.....

He disrespected Putin, and he is going to talk to us like we are children? Everything he said was "here are 1 million reasons we are going to bomb Syria, but let us explain it to you like you are children for awhile first."

Ive never been so disappointed by a democrat in my life.

[Supersedeas]

2. same feeling here

[geek tragedy]

5. "He disrespected Putin."

Oh heavens, I may faint from the outrage.

[peoli]

7. Why was it necessary to call out Russia in that speech? What is point?

[geek tragedy]

9. Assad is Putin's puppet. nt

[ProSense]

6. I liked the speech, especially the conclusion. Again, no war.

The administration should be held to that. Speculation doesn't count.

[peoli]

15. I was excited to hear Kerry speak.

He sounds clear and intelligent and I reflected on how anyone could have voted for Bush after listening to the two of them. But the speech was the beginning of preparing the public for strikes. "What if we do nothing? What if we do not respond after we said there was a red line and they crossed the red line? What will the world think of us? Dont you know that if we dont act other countries will start using chemical weapons? We will act alone." I know you heard all that too, It sucks! Its not what I want to hear from the Obama administration.

[ProSense]

16. I don't necessarily

"He sounds clear and intelligent and I reflected on how anyone could have voted for Bush after listening to the two of them. But the speech was the beginning of preparing the public for strikes. "What if we do nothing? What if we do not respond after we said there was a red line and they crossed the red line? What will the world think of us? Dont you know that if we dont act other countries will start using chemical weapons? We will act alone." I know you heard all that too, It sucks! Its not what I want to hear from the Obama administration."

...believe doing something means strikes, even limited ones. Still, Kerry did say this situation will not be resolved militarily.

[Dr Fate]

24. Me too. I almost pissed my pants I was so giddy.

He's as dreamy as ever.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

26. I so love this comment.

I didn't get a chance to watch - I'm at work, but I am severely heartbroken that I didn't get to watch him in all his glory.

[NYC_SKP]

19. Well, he was pretty disappointing as a presidential candidate, too.

Consistent is what he is. I'm not sure why Obama picked him.

[Cha]

43. "He disrespected putin".. wtf?! He disrespected Putin!!!11111 And, just who the heck is

putin to you? is that you snowden?

[1-Old-Man]

3. And he also said that the justifications for war were far to secret for commoners to know

Because it would give away the infamous "sources and methods".

But what the fuck, Assad gassed his own people, right? Where have we heard that before? And if Syria stands then other dictators will be embolden. Where have we heard that one before. For christ's sakes they are dragging out every single old argument and lie that has worked in the past.

[Harmony Blue]

4. Launching cruise missile strikes is an act of war

can't spin that.

[woo me with science]

8. They will greet our missiles with FLOWERS!

[NYC_SKP]

10. I don't believe there will be a war. I was going to post an OP but think I'll not.

I'm not even sure about a limited strike, but any troop action is out of the question.

Especially not on Memorial Day weekend.

DU is on brown alert again.

[ProSense]

17. The interesting thing is some are declaring a war that hasn't been announced

Speech = declaration of war.

[Dr Fate]

23. And when we dont bomb them- we will point to how ridiculous they all are for saying this.

But if we do end up having to bomb them, that is fine too. We will still be Right either way.

[KamaAina]

18. But, but, but

it's Labor Day weekend.

[NYC_SKP]

20. It is?

[karynnj]

46. Memorial Day Weekend? That was in May - this is Labor Day

I hope you are right and there is some move by Assad to take responsibility and to give up chemical weapons. Not likely though/

[leftstreet]

11. So it's just a little bit of mischief !

As George Bush would say

[cthulu2016]

12. You are a smart person. I'm shocked you don't know what the word "war" means.

Launching bombs at other countries is, you will find upon examination of the topic, a quintessential act of war.

[ProSense]

13. Despite your condescending tone, I think "you are a smart person" too. Therefore,

"Launching bombs at other countries is, you will find upon examination of the topic, a quintessential act of war."

...if you listened to the speech, you would know that he did not propose any action.

Kosovo was a war. Iraq was a war.

[William769]

14. I watched the speech I have looked at everything there is to look at that is available to the public

I trust President Obama to do the right thing whatever action is taken (and yes I believe some type of action should be taken).

[Cha]

44. Mahalo William

I don't know if you've seen this but, If you haven't.. there's a vid in the BOG of PBO's remarks on Syria.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110214506

Especially the last 4 or 5 minutes..

[kentuck]

21. If you drop a bomb on another country...

you are committing an act of war. The Japanese never put troops in America when they bombed Pearl Harbor.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

41. Everyone knows it was the Germans that bombed Pearl Harbor!

Geeez.

[Dr Fate]

22. And you and I will be pissed at him if it turns out that we do bomb them.

Lol! just kidding.

Of course you and I will support whatever this administration does or does not do, either way.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

25. Bombing is an act of war.

QED

[Dr Fate]

27. I like to think of it as a type of surgery.

nt

[Fantastic Anarchist]

31. By Doctor Mengele ...

... Look him up on WebMD. Got credentials.

[progressoid]

28. Woohoo! No War!! We're gonna drop PEACE BOMBS!

[ProSense]

29. There are no such things, and Kerry announced no action. n/t

[bahrbearian]

30. Did he move some Red Line, or did it just disappear.

[Dr Fate]

37. And when we dont bomb them- we will point to how ridiculous they all are for saying this.

And if we do bomb them- we will defend that action when the time comes.

For centrists like us, this is a win-win no matter how you slice it.

[politicasista]

32. Thanks to you and everyone that are sticking up for

Kerry, and Obama for that matter.

Don't understand why so many are hating on Kerry or mad that Obama chose Kerry as SOS. Obama knows what he is doing and has chosen Kerry for a reason. There is no reason to second-guess or bash him for that.

[woo me with science]

34. Oh look! It's about being MEAN to Obama!

It's about being a good BLUE TEAM MEMBER and STICKING UP FOR people on our SIDE!

It would be MEAN not to STICK UP FOR HIM! Second guessing is MEAN! All he wants to do is BOMB some people!

It's so MEAN!

[snooper2]

36. It's Troll SUMMER!

[Dr Fate]

38. We used to call the people who agreed with Bush the "trolls."

I'm glad we got rid of that silly standard.

Now we know that the REAL trolls are those that disagree with Bush/Obama on this.

Clearly they have forgotten the lessons of 9/11.

[snooper2]

39. No, there are some that just hate Obama, some true hard "no war ever", and some trolls playing

peace-nick just so they can get jabs at Obama and Kerry without repercussion.

It's never black and white LOL...

[politicasista]

42. That's what it is

at least part of it.

[Cha]

45. Hey politicalsista.. it's just internet chatter

from those who obviously have no clue. I've tuned out a lot of it.

SOS Kerry is a fine man for the job and I'm sure it's with a heavy heart and heavy responsibility that they have to make this decision to try and stop assad from bombing his people with chemicals.

[politicasista]

47. Thank you

Wish more Obama supporters were supportive of SOS Kerry.

Good strategy. Hopefully, the silly season is over.

[Cha]

48. Yeah, the ragging on Kerry is

weird.

[politicasista]

49. It is

[NightWatcher]

33. Will they welcome us as liberators? Will their oil pay for the campaign?

Déjà Bull Shit

[woo me with science]

35. "Deja Bull Shit"

[phone]

I would like to use that sometimes.

[Bake]

40. Since when is a military strike not "war?"

And suppose we DO strike. What happens next?

Somebody ought to consider that before we do anything rash.

Bake

[SomethingFishy]

50. Apparently, when you are the one doing the "striking" it's not war.. I saw a Syrian woman

interviewed who said "Mortars from our own government or rockets from the USA, it makes no difference to me. Dead is dead."

"War". "Precision Strikes". "Shock and Awe". Dead is dead.

This sucks man.

[David__77]

51. This is Orwellian. Bombs are unwarful.

Peacewise bombing, in Newspeak.

[gopiscrap]

52. when you bomb another nation

what the hell do you call that?

[ProSense]

53. A military strike?

An act of war?

Do you know the difference between a military strike and a war?

Is a drone strike a war?

[gopiscrap]

54. any invasaion or bombing or strike to me

is an act of war and will be taken as such by Syria.