It Appears that Obama/Kerry are being duped by Bandar Bush

[Dems to Win]

It appears to me that Obama/Kerry are being duped by Saudi Prince Bandar (Bandar Bush), same guy who convinced Bush to lead a '6-week war' to 'get Saddam'


I was struck by this part of Secretary Kerry's speech:

"We know where the rockets were launched from, and at what time. We know where they landed, and when. We know rockets came only from regime-controlled areas and went only to opposition-controlled or contested neighborhoods.

And we know, as does the world, that just 90 minutes later all hell broke loose in the social media. With our own eyes we have seen the thousands of reports from 11 separate sites in the Damascus suburbs. "


90 minutes? Why the delay? In today's world, as the first car pulls away with a victim heading for a hospital, there will be someone in the car tweeting about it.

There were realtime tweets from nearby residents during the operation to kill Bin Laden in Pakistan.


This helpful story linked by TomClash provides a plausible explanation:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023565390

EXCLUSIVE: Syrians In Ghouta Claim Saudi-Supplied Rebels Behind Chemical Attack

http://www.mintpressnews.com/witnesses-of-gas-attack-say-saudis-supplied-rebels-with-chemical-weapons/168135/


The Saudi-financed rebels in Syria stashed Bandar-supplied chemical weapons in tunnels in neighborhoods they controlled.

Seems to me it is likely that when the Syrian Army shelled the neighborhoods, the rebels then set off the chemical weapons near where the Syrian conventional shells had landed. Social media then started reporting the effects of the chemical weapon attacks, conveniently blamed on the Syrian Army shelling.

Saudi Prince Bandar, coordinator of Saudi aid to Syria rebels, is well known to be trying to enlist US help in toppling Assad. Here's a Wall Street Journal story:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323423804579024452583045962.html



It is really tough for me to believe that John Kerry, Vietnam vet and war resister, could be knowingly urging US military strikes based on lies. It appears to me he is being duped by a Bandar Bush false flag operation.

I really hope the truth penetrates the highest echelon of Washington BEFORE any strikes occur. I have a very black, ominous feeling about these upcoming US strikes on Syria (and the likely retalitaion against Israel that I expect from Syria).

I sent emails to the president and SOS today, strongly opposing military strikes on Syria. The White House comment line was busy, I never got through. Hope that's a good sign that lots of people are calling in opposing strikes, and that it gives Obama second thoughts.

[stevenleser]

1. The problem with that is that the Saudis do not have Chemical weapons

http://www.nti.org/country-profiles/saudi-arabia/

[dipsydoodle]

2. They may not but the industrial grade chemicals found weeks ago had Saudi markings.

Sodium hyperchlorite containers and others at an insurgent site.

Mix that with hydrochloric acid and you got chlorine big time.

[stevenleser]

5. Chlorine has a distinct smell. It wouldn't be mistaken for Sarin. None of those chemicals you

mentioned are used in the manufacture of Sarin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarin

[Dems to Win]

3. Bandar's got plenty of petro dollars to acquire them unofficially

If Japanese terrorists can get ahold of Sarin, I'm confident that Bandar and his minions can, too.

For all I know, Bandar got it from his CIA buddies. Wouldn't surprise me.

[stevenleser]

6. The Japanese terrorists manufactured a variant themselves.

If the rebels wanted to get and use Sarin and blame it on the Syrian government, it makes a lot more sense to break into Syrian government repositories. The benefit then is that the chemical signature, if any, would have matched Syrian manufactured Sarin.

[MannyGoldstein]

14. American nitwits make the stuff in their basements

I expect the House of Saud could bankroll an effort to make oodles of it.

[Junkdrawer]

4. Pepe Escobar: ‘War on chemical weapons’: Obama traps himself into Syrian combat

Only a few days before the 12th anniversary of 9/11, Nobel Peace Prize winner Barack Obama might be fighting side by side with… al-Qaeda, as he was foolish enough to be trapped by his own rhetoric on Syria.

The dogs of war bark and the caravan… is Tomahawked. Amid out-of-control hysteria, the proverbial “unnamed US officials” spin like demented centrifuges.

.....

The evidence points to rockets launched from a “Syrian army post near Damascus” – which Finnish researcher Petri Krohn, currently conducting a meticulous investigation, conclusively placed as occupied by the “rebels” since June. (scroll down to “Qaboun rocket launches”)

Add to it the Defense Ministry in Baghdad, one month ago, dismantling an Al-Qaeda cell in Iraq that was planning to launch attacks in Iraq and “abroad,” as in Syria, using chemical weapons.

....

So here we have all the elements of a sophisticated false flag operation. Jabhat al-Nusra jihadis, mostly mercenaries, connected to al-Qaeda in Iraq, but with no connection with Syrian civilians, including women and children, use an area formerly occupied by the Syrian army to launch a chemical attack – perhaps using chlorine – under the cover of a Syrian offensive (admitted by the government). The offensive was codenamed “Operation City Shield.” Damascus had solid intel about scores of “rebels” trained by the CIA and the Saudis in Jordan converging to the area and planning a massive attack on the capital.

....

http://rt.com/op-edge/war-chemical-weapons-obama-syria-120/

[RobertEarl]

8. Thanks, JD

How you always come up with article and info that make us question the M$M is amazing. And appreciated. People like you are a wonderful source. Praise DU!!

[Junkdrawer]

9. I hung around DU long enough to get a list of names of sources I trust....

So I Googled "Pepe Escobar Syria"....

[NealK]

13. Oh God no!

Not another one living in Brazil!!1!!

[Junkdrawer]

15. LOL...

I see you know, but for others....

Pepe's the real deal....

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Others/Escobar.html

[KoKo]

16. I saw Escobar tonight...It was a good Watch/Listen! Thanks for

"Text/Link!"

[Junkdrawer]

17. I'd love a link....

Pretty please

[ProSense]

7. So the

"EXCLUSIVE: Syrians In Ghouta Claim Saudi-Supplied Rebels Behind Chemical Attack"

...rebels did it? Sounds like Assad apologia.

Amnesty International on use of chemical weapons in Syria
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023555922

[NealK]

11. Sigh, why don't you directly link to articles instead of your own posts?

This is tiresome, you are less credible and you look like a narcissist.

[ProSense]

12. Wait

" Sigh, why don't you directly link to articles instead of your own posts?"

...you want me to give credibility to Assad apologia?

"This is tiresome, you are less credible and you look like a narcissist. "

Take a nap, and lose the lame psychoanalysis.

[NealK]

18. Oh boy.

"..you want me to give credibility to Assad apologia?"

WTF are you talking about? I said that when you reply you should do like most DUers do and link to the original article(s) and not to one of your posts. AFAIK you're the only one here doing that, hense the comment about you being a narcissist seeking attention.

[ProSense]

20. I really

"WTF are you talking about? I said that when you reply you should do like most DUers do and link to the original article(s) and not to one of your posts. AFAIK you're the only one here doing that, hense the comment about you being a narcissist seeking attention. "

...didn't ask for your advice on how I should post. Why the hell are you spending time worrying about this, and what other posters are doing?

Did you mean "hence"?

Again, lose the lame psychonalysis, it's creepy.

[NealK]

21. And I thought I was being nice and giving you good advices...

You break my heart.

[WeekendWarrior]

10. Uh, ooookay.

I think I'll withhold judgment until I've seen a credible news source for this story. The articles I've read are claiming it's an AP reporter, yet the AP says nothing about it on their site and it turns out that this reporter works for the Mint Press News (as you mention) which is merely "affiliated" with the AP. Which means they probably run AP stories from time to time.

Their website's About Us page indicates no affiliation whatsoever, as far as I can tell. So, again, I'll withhold judgment and not make assumptions until the story has been confirmed by credible sources. I'd urge everyone here to do the same.

[starroute]

19. And then there's whatever the CIA was smuggling from Benghazi to Syria

Questions about the CIA operations have kind of fallen into the vortex of Benghazi conspiracy theories -- but it seems undeniable that something screwy was going on and that it was very likely connected with Syria. That's reason enough to reexamine the questions in light of recent events.

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-secret-cia-mission-in-benghazi-2013-8

Collectively these details raise the question of what the CIA knew, given that Agency operatives in Libya were rounding up SA-7s, ostensibly to destroy them, while operatives in southern Turkey were funneling weapons to the rebels.

The State Department told CNN that it was not involved in any transfer of weapons to other countries, but it "can't speak for any other agencies."

Ambassador Stevens certainly would have known if the new Libyan government was sending 400 tons of heavy weapons to Turkey from Benghazi's port.

Just like the CIA would know if those the weapons arrived in Turkey and began showing up in Syria.


http://www.globalresearch.ca/source-cia-was-smuggling-weapons-to-syrian-rebels-during-benghazi-embassy-attack/5345037

The CIA was smuggling weapons from Libyan weapons depots to the Syrian rebels during the 2012 attack on the US embassy in Benghazi. According to a report by CNN, an unnamed source has leaked that the alleged cover-up of the circumstances around the attack is to hide the reality of the smuggling, which occurred before the escalation of the Syrian civil war. This shows that the CIA has been arming the Syrian rebels since at least September 2012. The agents were running the operation out of the Benghazi “annex,” which has been reported as a secret safehouse of the CIA in the city, not far from the embassy. ...

A new source told CNN that there were “dozens of people working for the CIA [...] on the ground that night, and that the agency is going to great lengths to make sure whatever it was doing, remains a secret.”

[Catherina]

22. Duped? Doubt they're duped. We kneel to the Saudis. " US & Saudi Arabia tried to bribe Russia "

Saudis Offer Russia Secret Oil Deal If It Drops Syria (with full US backing)
Source: UK Telegraph

Saudi Arabia has secretly offered Russia a sweeping deal to control the global oil market and safeguard Russia's gas contracts if the Kremiln backs away from the Assad regieme in Syria

Read more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/10266957/Saudis-offer-Russia-secret-oil-deal-if-it-drops-Syria.html

[More detail here: http://rt.com/news/bandar-putin-assad-saudi-188/|Saudi Arabia dangles lucrative arms deal in front of Russia in exchange for dropping Assad]

Our little neocon friend Prince Bandar told Putin he was making that offer the full backing of the US since the US hadn't been able to get Russia to budge at the Security Council.

From AFP: Moscow rejects Saudi offer to drop Assad for arms deal

"Every two years, Bandar bin Sultan meets his Russian counterparts, but this time, he wanted to meet the head of state," said a European diplomat who shuttles between Beirut and Damascus.

"During the meeting at the Kremlin, the Saudi official explained to his interlocutor that Riyadh is ready to help Moscow play a bigger role in the Middle East at a time when the United States is disengaging from the region".

This is where it gets funny

The Saudi prince also reassured Putin that "whatever regime comes after" Assad, it will be "completely" in the Saudis' hands and will not sign any agreement allowing any Gulf country to transport its gas across Syria to Europe and compete with Russian gas exports, the diplomat said.

This is where it gets obscene

In 2009, Assad refused to sign an agreement with Qatar for an overland pipeline running from the Gulf to Europe via Syria to protect the interests of its Russian ally, which is Europe's top supplied of natural gas.

An Arab diplomat with contacts in Moscow said: "President Putin listened politely to his interlocutor and let him know that his country would not change its strategy."

"Bandar bin Sultan then let the Russians know that the only option left in Syria was military and that they should forget about Geneva because the opposition would not attend."

This is where it gets more obscene:

Bandar told Putin, “There are many common values ​​and goals that bring us together, most notably the fight against terrorism and extremism all over the world. Russia, the US, the EU and the Saudis agree on promoting and consolidating international peace and security. The terrorist threat is growing in light of the phenomena spawned by the Arab Spring. We have lost some regimes. And what we got in return were terrorist experiences, as evidenced by the experience of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and the extremist groups in Libya. ... As an example, I can give you a guarantee to protect the Winter Olympics in the city of Sochi on the Black Sea next year. The Chechen groups that threaten the security of the games are controlled by us, and they will not move in the Syrian territory’s direction without coordinating with us. These groups do not scare us. We use them in the face of the Syrian regime but they will have no role or influence in Syria’s political future.”

Putin thanked King Abdullah for his greetings and Bandar for his exposition, but then he said to Bandar, “We know that you have supported the Chechen terrorist groups for a decade. And that support, which you have frankly talked about just now, is completely incompatible with the common objectives of fighting global terrorism that you mentioned. We are interested in developing friendly relations according to clear and strong principles.”

Bandar said that the matter is not limited to the kingdom and that some countries have overstepped the roles drawn for them, such as Qatar and Turkey. He added, “We said so directly to the Qataris and to the Turks. We rejected their unlimited support to the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and elsewhere. The Turks’ role today has become similar to Pakistan’s role in the Afghan war. We do not favor extremist religious regimes, and we wish to establish moderate regimes in the region. It is worthwhile to pay attention to and to follow up on Egypt’s experience. We will continue to support the [Egyptian] army, and we will support Defense Minister Gen. Abdel Fattah al-Sisi because he is keen on having good relations with us and with you. And we suggest to you to be in contact with him, to support him and to give all the conditions for the success of this experiment. We are ready to hold arms deals with you in exchange for supporting these regimes, especially Egypt.”

...

Putin: Our stance on Assad will not change

Regarding the Syrian issue, the Russian president responded to Bandar, saying, “Our stance on Assad will never change. We believe that the Syrian regime is the best speaker on behalf of the Syrian people, and not those liver eaters. During the Geneva I Conference, we agreed with the Americans on a package of understandings, and they agreed that the Syrian regime will be part of any settlement. Later on, they decided to renege on Geneva I. In all meetings of Russian and American experts, we reiterated our position.

....

Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/politics/2013/08/saudi-russia-putin-bandar-meeting-syria-egypt.html

The Russian articles have even more details but that's the basic gist of that massive obscenity.

[Junkdrawer]

26. WOW. SA to Russia: Play ball or we'll send more Chechen (AQ) terrorists to the Olympics....

THIS G-20 meeting should be interesting, to say the least.

[HooptieWagon]

28. Holy shit.

I didn't know Saudis were backing the Chechens. And threatening an attack on the Olympics? Shits getting heavy.

[Caretha]

23. Googling Prince Bandar bin Sultan

the key to this might be Saudia Arabia's Bandar bin Sultan. I just googled this guy and some very interesting connections & info popped up that seems to have a lot to do with what is happening in Syria. Start with this link from wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandar_bin_Sultan

then this one:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323423804579024452583045962.html

and don't miss this one:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-27/meet-saudi-arabias-bandar-bin-sultan-puppetmaster-behind-syrian-war

[LukeFL]

24. Yawn...

Du "experts" are getting me board

[Caretha]

25. Board?

You feel like wood? Sounds like a personal problem to me...........Yawn

[woo me with science]

27. Damned familiar-sounding, huh.

"We know where the rockets were launched from, and at what time. We know where they landed, and when. We know rockets came only from regime-controlled areas and went only to opposition-controlled or contested neighborhoods..."

"We know where they are. They are in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad."
-- Donald Rumsfeld, March 30, 2003

"We know that the regime has them; we know that as the regime collapses we will be led to them."
--Tony Blair, April 8, 2003

"We have high confidence that they have weapons of mass destruction. This is what this war was about and is about."
--Ari Fleischer, April 10, 2003

And yet...

Why thwart the UN inspection? Why the rush? Does this smell right? http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023567176

[chervilant]

29. No.

The stench of corruption is wafting all over this morass.