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Orrex

(63,173 posts)
Sun Sep 1, 2013, 10:47 AM Sep 2013

Why did the MIC instruct Obama to seek Congressional authorization for an attack?

For days I've been reading dozens of posts castigating him as a pawn of the MIC going so far as to "channel Bush and Cheney."

So why did his secret bosses order him to go this route?



I can't keep track of this puppet show.

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Why did the MIC instruct Obama to seek Congressional authorization for an attack? (Original Post) Orrex Sep 2013 OP
Even a tool of the MIC has to obey the constitution whatchamacallit Sep 2013 #1
Bush didn't. nt NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #4
No SCOTUS has ever ruled that a limited strike constitutes a war pnwmom Sep 2013 #12
They're trying to trick us ... duh. JoePhilly Sep 2013 #2
If it is approved by Congress, and goes badly, then the MIC djean111 Sep 2013 #3
possibly afraid of possible riots gopiscrap Sep 2013 #5
Looney Tunes on a Sunday morning BeyondGeography Sep 2013 #6
Really? Orrex Sep 2013 #8
Oh, I've been here BeyondGeography Sep 2013 #10
LOL Sad but true Orrex Sep 2013 #11
Because if Obama wants to bomb Syria he wants avebury Sep 2013 #7
Because the President doesn't really want to bomb Syria TomClash Sep 2013 #9
Because it's comforting to imagine there's one overarching sinister plan Recursion Sep 2013 #13
Here's my theory customerserviceguy Sep 2013 #14
They didn't - that's why Lieberman is pissed... polichick Sep 2013 #15
I hoping its because he Stared into the Abyss, as they say.... Junkdrawer Sep 2013 #16
Yes, a pawn in the game of those who can't wait to bring on "the end times." polichick Sep 2013 #17
I wish I could unrec idiotic racist shit like this Dreamer Tatum Sep 2013 #18
Finally, a level-headed voice of reason. Orrex Sep 2013 #19
Very silly. polichick Sep 2013 #21
Bush was the military industrial complex? bunnies Sep 2013 #22
Maybe Big Oil trumped the MIC in this case. Motown_Johnny Sep 2013 #20

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
1. Even a tool of the MIC has to obey the constitution
Sun Sep 1, 2013, 10:52 AM
Sep 2013

I'm not making that claim about Obama, simply pointing out the fallacy in your post.

pnwmom

(108,960 posts)
12. No SCOTUS has ever ruled that a limited strike constitutes a war
Sun Sep 1, 2013, 11:57 AM
Sep 2013

that would require going to Congress for approval.

That's the fallacy here.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
3. If it is approved by Congress, and goes badly, then the MIC
Sun Sep 1, 2013, 10:54 AM
Sep 2013

was just following orders.
I believe the Congressional vote will mostly be given with an eye to political expediency and profit.

gopiscrap

(23,726 posts)
5. possibly afraid of possible riots
Sun Sep 1, 2013, 10:54 AM
Sep 2013

from folks that could hurt or harm the economy trust me, all decisions are always about fucking money.

Orrex

(63,173 posts)
8. Really?
Sun Sep 1, 2013, 11:11 AM
Sep 2013

Where have you been for the past week?

DU has been awash in accusations that Obama is just like Bush/Cheney and that he's completely in the thrall of the MIC.


I'm just trying to figure out why the omnipotent machinery of the MIC allowed Obama to detour the eager run-up to war.

Orrex

(63,173 posts)
11. LOL Sad but true
Sun Sep 1, 2013, 11:54 AM
Sep 2013

I try to avoid the sarcasm smiley at all costs, but I'm often reminded that even the most seemingly obvious over-the-top sarcasm can be indistinguishable from the background noise of "normal" conversation.

avebury

(10,952 posts)
7. Because if Obama wants to bomb Syria he wants
Sun Sep 1, 2013, 11:02 AM
Sep 2013

to have as many members of Congress on board. That way, if the whole thing blows up (pardon the pun) down the road, he won't be the only one taking the blame, there would be enough to go around.

TomClash

(11,344 posts)
9. Because the President doesn't really want to bomb Syria
Sun Sep 1, 2013, 11:12 AM
Sep 2013

He is looking for a way out of the box. Putting the problem to Congress was an excellent political maneuver.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
13. Because it's comforting to imagine there's one overarching sinister plan
Sun Sep 1, 2013, 12:02 PM
Sep 2013

Rather than the chaotic, combined influence of millions of people making particular decisions for idiosyncratic reasons.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
14. Here's my theory
Sun Sep 1, 2013, 12:45 PM
Sep 2013

They really don't want a government shutdown, it interferes with making profits. If you can get Congress to go along with the President on this, then he becomes a "wartime leader", and it's more likely that he gets a budget he can sign.

On the other hand, it makes him expend time and political capital that he needs in order to get a budget resolution and debt ceiling increase, thus ruining the chance for either. Should he lose the vote, he will be seen as weak going into those negotiations, and he'll have to give up more to the Rethugs to keep the government functioning financially.

Oh, wait, I think I just stumbled into the truth there, but I'm not sure. I've never been good at following puppet shows myself.

polichick

(37,152 posts)
15. They didn't - that's why Lieberman is pissed...
Sun Sep 1, 2013, 12:47 PM
Sep 2013

It was a perfect out for him - let's hope he waits for the UN report.

Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
16. I hoping its because he Stared into the Abyss, as they say....
Sun Sep 1, 2013, 12:49 PM
Sep 2013

and doesn't want to be the President that started WW III...

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
18. I wish I could unrec idiotic racist shit like this
Sun Sep 1, 2013, 01:07 PM
Sep 2013

and yes, I said RACIST.

Because Bush WAS the MIC, but you're claiming a black man who has the same job ANSWERS TO the mic.

Either there IS NO MIC, or Obama is the HEAD of the MIC, and those are your two choices, fucking like it or fucking not.

To claim the POTUS is a puppet of some bullshit "MIC" is either your way of dealing with your disappointment that he hasn't
dismantled the Pentagon, or it's a reflection of your own racism.

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