There's always money for war

[neverforget]

but never money for the needs of the people. The MIC must be fed.

Notice how the cost for this isn't even being debated? It doesn't matter if this costs $10 million, $100 million, $1 billion or $100 billion, the money will be found. But the money for our dilapidated infrastructure is nowhere to be found. The money for head start is nowhere to be found. Our priorities are fucked up. I guess we need to blow shit up to make it a priority.

Yesterday, there was a thread with this link in it. The GOP wants a wider war to take out Assad. They want the MIC to gorge on the budget with a new war and starve the programs for the people like Social Security, Medicare, food stamps, etc.

[DJ13]

1. K&R

[99Forever]

2. Absolute truth.

Doesn't change with any administration either.

[raccoon]

39. Amen--it's just "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss." nt

[RC]

3. And they want to cut Social Security, Medicare, Food Stamps, Aid to dependent Families and a whole

host of safety net programs because we do not have enough money?

We can afford to spend hundreds of billions intervening in foreign conflicts, with no talk of the monetary cost?

[neverforget]

5. It's rather depressing the priorities and justifications we use for action and inaction

at home and abroad.

[blkmusclmachine]

4. Follow the money. No "War For Profit."

[Scuba]

6. If we can't afford to educate our children, to heal our sick or care for our elderly ...

... just what is it the defense budget is defending?

[Snake Plissken]

7. We shouldn't be bickering about money when the issue involves morality

And if it involves fetuses, oil, or lining the pockets of billionaires ... it's about morality

[tecelote]

8. Exactly! Budget Sequestration.

We can not afford it.

Every Republican has yelled and yelled about how we're broke.

We can't afford it.

Period.

[neverforget]

27. Or the debt limit

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/01/syria-fiscal-debate_n_3853750.html

WASHINGTON, Sept 1 (Reuters) - A vote in Congress over whether to launch U.S. attacks against Syria is expected to wreak collateral damage - leaving too little time on Capitol Hill to deal with fast-approaching fall deadlines to fund government agencies and raise the debt limit.

That increases the likelihood that U.S. lawmakers will agree to a short-term government funding measure to get them through the fall, postponing for another day any broader deal or big showdowns.

The House of Representatives had previously scheduled only nine legislative days in September after they return from summer recess on Sept. 9, prompting analysts to view this as barely enough to pass government funding legislation in time to avoid a federal shutdown as the new fiscal year starts Oct. 1.

But now much of that time is likely to be eaten up with a contentious debate over authorizing the use of military force to punish Syria, analysts say.

[Enthusiast]

42. Maybe we should tell the Republicans

that a strike on Syria also might kill thousands of unborn babies.

[Jefferson23]

9. Public funded elections, one day..I hope. n/t

[neverforget]

13. That would go a long ways towards to fixing

what ails us: money in politics.

[Jefferson23]

14. It is so painfully obvious, isn't it? n/t

[neverforget]

23. It sure is.

[Billy Love]

10. The MIC needs to be shut down. Zero dollars to Department of Defense/Homeland Security

ASAP.

[cantbeserious]

11. All Too True - The US Is Great At Destroying Things - Not So Good At Building For The Long Term

eom

[JDPriestly]

12. That is precisely what this whole "crisis" is about. Feeding the military-industrial complex.

I for one am sick of it.

[neverforget]

25. You and me both!

[pangaia]

15. BINGO !

But will any of them ask the question?
Of course not.

[spanone]

16. just wait, the reTHUGS will vote to pay for it by defunding the affordable care act aka Obamacare

[neverforget]

18. they'll get their pound of flesh somehow.

What it will be who knows

[Phlem]

17. K&R!

[sendero]

19. That's because..

... the money, and whose pockets it lines, is all this is about.

[neverforget]

22. It sure is. The MIC is far too powerful.

[Curmudgeoness]

20. The simplicity of your statement is so true

that I could cry thinking about it.

K&R

[avebury]

21. K&R nt

[mick063]

24. This needs kicked

over and over again.

[gopiscrap]

26. yup our priorities are all fucked up

[Supersedeas]

58. priorities?

[soryang]

28. With Afghanistan winding down and the sequester cramping DOD expenditures...

...the war contractors are looking at the top line shrinking radically, so another war is just what is needed. The huge opportunity costs of war and military adventurism are great for destroying the social fabric at home and lining the pockets of the rich.

[mick063]

29. Keeping near the top.

Message of the year.

[neverforget]

30. Thank you! I'm heading to bed now.

[RoccoR5955]

31. If they REALLY want war,

they should be willing to raise taxes to pay for it. They should reinstate a draft, so that there would be enough military, as to not need expensive "consultants." The taxes should be on businesses as well as individuals.

The precedent of not raising taxes to pay for war, should be a big issue with RepubliCONs, however it is not. They will wage war for anything, without raising taxes. Bush even CUT taxes, when he waged war on Iraq.

[DirkGently]

38. How about a "war tax" levied exclusively on the 1%?

Given that people of ordinary means largely FIGHT the wars, it seems only reasonable that those best able to bear the cost of these "discretionary" wars pay for all of them.

It's been estimated every American family owes $40-50,000 for our adventures in Iraq.

I wonder how many would be spoiling for another optional intervention in the ME if every millionaire in the country had to pay for an equal share of the whole thing?

Take away the premise we can take it all back from social programs and infrastructure.

See who still finds these wars to be morally imperative.

[durablend]

32. Which is why the Republicans might go along with it

The perfect opportunity to cut funding for a whole load of domestic stuff the "libruls" like.

[neverforget]

33. if they see an opportunity to screw the little guy, it'd be

hard for them to pass up. It's who they are.

[CrispyQ]

34. We are a country that doesn't take care of it's own citizens.

It's shameful, but what really gets me is how many Americans fall for this 'we've got to have a big bad military' bullshit. My mother was one. She was on government assistance & voted republican.

[mick063]

35. All the arguments to cut Social Security have failed because of this.

The priority to funnel money into the arms manufacturers has never been more apparent.

Fiscal conservatives are not conservative when it comes to military adventure. Endless war is breaking this nation and the people that benefit the most, are expecting the middle class to pay for it all.

[pjt7]

36. Halliburton recieved $40 Billion

of USA Goverment war contracts, for the last 10 years of war.

Think they want to stop that?

[DirkGently]

37. Couldn't have anything to do with the fact that war spending largely benefits the 1%,

while the costs are born by the 99% could it?

[neverforget]

41. damn straight it's the 1%. they are the puppet

masters to Congress.

[DirkGently]

46. Tax this shit to the wealthy. Hear the brakes squeal.

If the wealthiest corporations and individuals had to pay a specific, non-dodgeable tax for each of these extra-legal, pre-emptively self-defensive, message-sending "regime change" adventures, it would be over tomorrow.

Suddenly there would be no moral obscenity. There would be no red lines. There would be only the deafening silence of erstwhile war hawks losing their enthusiasm for anything for which they, rather than everyone else, bore the risks, costs, and tradeoffs.

[neverforget]

50. There is no talk of a dollar tag for this let alone paying for it.

As I said, the money will always be found for war.

[Wounded Bear]

40. A budget is, first and formost....

a moral document. It is where you delineate you priorities.

So yeah, you could say by that that we are pretty much a fucked up country whose priorities generally suck.

[neverforget]

45. pretty much.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

43. And, there's always the MIC and politicians eager to cash in.

[Initech]

44. Yup, they are the only people who stand to benefit from a war with Syria.

Oil and gas contractors, military contractors, and other evil forces are the ones who stand to benefit. It's all about the money.

I have said it before and I will say it again with double, triple emphasis:

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PEOPLE OF SYRIA!!!!!!!!!!!

It is all about the military industrial complex wanting more war for profit. They could not give less of a fuck what happens to the people of Syria.

[neverforget]

47. If it was about the people of Syria, we'd been outraged about the previous 100,000 deaths.

Instead, we looked the other way until the means of killing changed.

[pjt7]

48. More innocents will be killed

if we launch missles.

That's common sense.

Look @ Iraq & Libya which the killing have not stopped, although the media told us our bombs are for peace & Freedom.

800 killed in Iraq in August.

& Syria is not really a Civil War considering the House of Saud & Qatar are spending $Billions to send Foregn Jihadist in from Chechnya, Tunusia, Saud Arabia etc etc

[mick063]

49. Has to be on the first page.

The OP title is simple, yet it explains everything.

[doc03]

51. You're right, nobody will ask how we will pay for it n/t

[neverforget]

52. I haven't heard a peep about it.

Maybe I missed it.....

[mick063]

53. Drizzle drazzle druzzle drome. Time for this one to come home.

Back to Page 1.

[roamer65]

54. It is sad.

So many go hungry and homeless in this country, yet war gets a higher priority...sad legacy.

[neverforget]

56. our priorities are messed up.

[liberal_at_heart]

55. K&R

[mick063]

57. Back to the top

It is the title. It rings a bell.

[mick063]

59. Not enough money to strengthen Social Security.

But a whole shit load of money for bullets.

[neverforget]

60. Yeah and that is disgusting.

[mick063]

61. OP title of the year

Simple, concise, and a point that must be hammered home.

[mick063]

62. A most important message.

Back to page 1.

[mick063]

63. Cannot be forgotten.

n/t