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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAhhh Capitalism. They set up a system of subordination and complain that we subordinate.
Executives
Management
Workers
Three fundamental bodies in corporate America. People like to complain that workers are paid poorly precisely because they are subordinate. Even beyond that, they like to argue that they willingly subordinate themselves to their superiors. That they are lazy and undeserving of proper pay.
The system is designed to pay the subordinates poorly. It is designed to create an illusion that workers do not possess the capacity to self-govern. And the management and executives know their careers are built on a foundation made of sand. What do they do?
At least two things. First, they make the workers shore up their shifting and collapsing foundations. Second, they turn the workers against one another in competition in hopes that it distracts them from the fact that their superiors are not a necessary component of a prosperous working class.
This is not to mean that executive boards and managerial duties should not or cannot exist. They absolutely must exist in some capacity to negotiate the collective ship of worker interest. When we look at the worker cooperatives in places like Spain, we see executive boards populated by workers. The managers are workers. The executives finish a meeting and go back to the factories.
We do not need our corporate overlords any longer. We do not need to sell our labor wholesale.
We are workers of the world and it's about damn time we took back what is rightfully ours.
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)I'm feeling old lately...
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Joe Shlabotnik
(5,604 posts)mick063
(2,424 posts)Over and over and over again.
With each inevitable economic calamity due to the inherent instability of unchecked, unregulated, legally immune, capitalism, more people will become disenfranchised and search for answers.
It is up to us to give those answers.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts).
Alkene
(752 posts)to state that without workers there is no basis for supply, and if we're not paid enough we can't afford to constitute demand.
The center of economic gravity begs to be stabilized.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(48,988 posts)Thank you for your well-phrased statement. It is very true that in the US income disparity is way out of balance and is ultimately very disruptive for the social fabric.
The original post is a typical rant that takes the common naive attitude that executive and management have no role. ("This is not to mean that executive boards and managerial duties should not or cannot exist. They absolutely must exist in some capacity to negotiate the collective ship of worker interest."
There is no evidence that I can find for the fantasy that "The executives finish a meeting and go back to the factories."
Quite the contrary. It does seem that executives and management have well defined jobs that are different from the "workers" and are akin to regular executive and management roles since they are paid substantially more than the workers.
socialist_n_TN
(11,481 posts)and throughout any socialist systems there WILL be a disparity of income. At least until communism leads to the withering away of the state.
That's one of the "red herrings" of the ownership class. They use it to scare engineers into thinking that unskilled and uneducated workers will take away money from THEM. IOW, it's one of the OLDEST ways the owners divide workers.
To me the point of the article is NOT that there will be a need for managerial chores under any system other than capitalism. Of course there will be that need. the point is that many seem to believe that workers are not competent to DO those jobs. I saw it in another subthread about unionizing soldiers. The "company line" seems to be that people who put their lives on the line (economic or military) would vote for prom queens instead of competency in their leaders.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,988 posts)The Spanish worker cooperatives the OP praises are an example of Libertarian Socialism.
Yes, the dreaded 'L' word that haunts DU and is used for the same derogatory effect as when arch Republicans throw around the word "Liberal".
The best known "Spanish" worker cooperative is Basque: Mondrag%C3%B3n_Cooperative_Corporation. It is quite interesting since it employs over 82,000 people and did over $19 billion dollars business in 2011.
That's $19,000,000,000.