"... a moral obscenity."

[Scuba]

Thanks to DUer DeSwiss for posting this image as a reply to another thread.

[orpupilofnature57]

1. Where does he draw that line ?

[Scuba]

2. Here's my red line ...

[orpupilofnature57]

3. +1000 !!!!

Support the Troops, bring em home and give em Jobs, and stop kissing Saudi Arabia on the ass.

[burnsei sensei]

16. +1000 more

nt

[MissDeeds]

17. Awesome

[tblue]

35. Perfect, Scuba.

Mine too. Do you think it can be stopped?

[Scuba]

36. Can the MIC be stopped? Yes, but it will take an uprising of the People.

[Cryptoad]

6. It surely isn't

drawn at publishing stolen classified documents. I hope she enjoys her Justice!

[Scuba]

7. Exposing war crimes is a duty for any human being.

[Cryptoad]

9. Yea,,,,,, right nt

[Scuba]

10. So you're OK with covering up war crimes?

[zeemike]

12. I don't think you understand them.

It is not a war crime if our government does it...Nixion said so.

[HardTimes99]

13. In another thread, Cryptoad said he 'knows' Ellsberg and that

Ellsberg is a "dickhead."

http://sync.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3513462

Forewarned is forearmed.

[Cryptoad]

19. Thats right,,,,,,,,

you know him ?,,, ever talked to him?,,,,, ever socialized with him? ,,,,,, I have and I stand by my Opinion. sorry if it deflates your dream.

[HardTimes99]

20. Care to share any specifics or just to stick with general libel?

[Cryptoad]

23. Not with you

you seem to have his disease...

btw,,, its not libel if its the Truth! Plus Libel does not encompass opinions such as thingys as opinions.

[HardTimes99]

24. Opinions are like assholes, it seems, as your multiple posts on Ellsberg have

more than amply demonstrated.

[Cryptoad]

27. I posted my opinion of him once in a thread in which he was the subject.

You are one that keeps bringing it back over and over up........

Yet you have not stated why you disagree with my post.

Not sure why you feel the need to personally attack me cause i don't share your opinions.

[rhett o rick]

30. I dream that we elect a government that thinks feeding children in the USofA

and given them decent health care is more important than spending billions on killing people.

The MIC is directing our governments priorities.

[Cryptoad]

32. Oh Please.....

but a world were Evil has freeerange to gas kids doesn't bother your dream?

[rhett o rick]

38. I would love to see an end to the killing of children whether it's by gas, land mines, cluster bombs

or machete. It's simplistic to think that a missile strike will do that. It's a conservative idea that retribution works to modify behavior. We have seen throughout history that retribution only brings further retribution. But retribution is the easy answer. Send 100 million dollars worth of missiles into Syria and everyone will be happy.

If you truly want to stop the killing of children instead of meting out retribution, there are other choices than killing.

[Cryptoad]

42. Retribution is not a Conservative Idea.

Retribution is a integral part of Justice.


In Harm's Way: Essays in Honor of Joel Feinberg


edited by Jules L. Coleman, Allen Buchanan

Justice is not a Conservative concept. it is innate , it precedes everything.
There is no Justice without the concept of Retribution.

That why you must live under the Protection of somebody's else Umbrella

[Cryptoad]

18. you are applying

your Bumpersticker Logic to a very complex problems so that you can define what are war crimes so as to fit your Logic.

[Scuba]

22. You're right, a simple man like me could never understand such complexities. I'd better ...

... leave this to the deep thinkers like Louis Gohmert, Darrell Issa and Ron Johnson.

[Cryptoad]

25. Sounds about Right! nt

[Skittles]

46. I cannot see through you

not at all

[Cryptoad]

47. Your Point? nt

[DisgustipatedinCA]

53. Her point is that everyone knows who and what you are.

There are those who like the spy state and like wars, and they let you get by with it because truth takes a back seat to winning for some in that crowd, and they'll take allies, no matter how distasteful they find it. Then there are the rest of us, some of whom have had posts locked for verbalizing the obvious about you. Now we just make sure no one mistakes you for a serious person. And we wait. These things don't last forever.

[Cryptoad]

54. No need

for personal attacks cause I disagree with your opinions! reasoned debate?

[DisgustipatedinCA]

57. It got personal when you called Ellsburg a dickhead.

You don't know Daniel Ellsburg, and in fact, you've demonstrated that you have no awareness of history. You calling Ellsburg a dickhead is roughly synonymous with Neo Nazi skinheads--neither party has the first goddamned clue about what they appear to be harkening back to (despite claims to the contrary), and in both cases, their proud ignorance causes problems in society. True, you're just one person and you don't matter much in the grand scheme. I didn't say the analogy was perfect, but it does have its points.

[Cryptoad]

58. Your obsessive attacks on me

about Elllsbury are starting to become a little like stalking. I am entitled to my opinion that he is a Dick Head. having to be a position to make such a call. I stated why I thought that and you have yet to provide anything that would discredit my opinion.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

59. It would help if you could type the name of the guy you claim to know, Dr Einstein.

[Mojorabbit]

60. There is no reasoned debate. Snark posts do not accomplish anything.

It is a complex situation and your posts show black and white thinking which limits any sort of intelligent discussion on the subject at times. Perhaps listening a bit and looking at the grey places between the points may help us come up with an alternate solution.

[rhett o rick]

39. What? It's you that wants to solve the problems by sending in missiles. As you say there are

"very complex problems" and we shouldnt knee jerk and kill people.

[Cryptoad]

43. Now you are making stuff up

as you type..

I have said nothing about sending in missiles......geeez

[Half-Century Man]

11. Actually part of the oath of service.....

...The "obey lawful orders of" part implies disobedience of unlawful orders. As Congress has accepted several treaties on war crimes, gunning down non-uniformed persons not currently actively militarily engaged with US troops is murder.

[Cryptoad]

21. Seems that the

LAW and most of civilized world disagrees with you on what is an unlawful order. Like I said ,,,, I hope she enjoys her Justice.

[Half-Century Man]

26. Not as accurate statement

Gunning down non combatants is pretty much frowned upon. Ordering people to gun down non combatants is illegal.

[Cryptoad]

28. Remind me again

which orders she disobeyed that the courts said were unlawful?
I must have missed that

[Half-Century Man]

29. Ah, I'm not talking about Ms. Manning.

I'm talking about the members of the United States Military murdering non-combatants and covering up those murders. I'm talking about the starting of a war because of business reasons not actual threats. I'm talking about the thousands of secret deals and sales which have come back and killed Americans.

The minor-in-comparison crimes committed in exposing those international crimes, I do not give a fuck about. The same way that mob members who rat out the Mafia are forgiven by our own DOJ.

[rhett o rick]

31. If someone drove thru a stop sign to save a child's life, why do I think you'd insist

on prosecuting him for going thru the stop sign.

Plez have some perspective. Exposing war crimes vs. WAR CRIMES. Why is that so hard to get?

[Cryptoad]

34. I have some perspective,

and I know the different between sheep shit and shinola....

I also know your logic is flawed,

its the ole " ugly Rock" false logic schema;

you know,,, "I have a a ugly rock in my yards that keeps ass holes away,,,no assholes come around so it must really work!"

Seems that most the world and the courts know the Truth about the "ugly Rock"

LIS, I hope she enjoys her Justice!

[rhett o rick]

37. "I hope she enjoys her Justice!" Really! I cant believe a Democrat would have so little empathy.

Manning's sentence was exceptionally harsh. Spies that actually brought about deaths got less. I guess the authoritarians are trying to make a statement. It's so much easier to follow the authoritarian state.

[Cryptoad]

40. Its so much easier to live under the Protection of somebody's elses Umbrella, heh?!,,,, nt

[rhett o rick]

41. Exactly. Bow down to your NSA authoritarian leaders and punish those that dare

speak truth to power. Life is so easy if you just follow the strong authoritarian leaders. Doesnt it bother you that the leaders of all the spy agencies are hard line conservatives. Or is that what you seek?

[Cryptoad]

44. Everybody has a purpose.....heh?

[DeSwiss]

52. Classified stolen documents.....

...that were stolen from us. Classified stolen documents that showed people being murdered in our name. Classified stolen documents showing war crimes being committed and that YOU want everyone to forget.

- Wake up!

[Cryptoad]

55. Here we go again

with the difference between proof and speculation. I hate to be the one to break it to yall...they are not necessarily the same thing!

[DeSwiss]

56. I suppose that's one way to reach your conclusions: avoid facts.

The proof is in the pudding. Or haven't you read them too?

- Never mind, don't answer. Some things are just hopeless.....

I-binned

[Dustlawyer]

4. K&R!!!

[mountain grammy]

5. Wow, very powerful truth! A big K&R.

[HardTimes99]

8. Says the pious hypocrite who participated in a war built on a lie that killed between 2-3 million

southeast Asians and who voted for a war based on another Big Lie that killed over 1 million Iraqis.

Screw Kerry and his sanctimonious bullshit.

Emphatic K&R!

[idwiyo]

49. +1. It's Different When It's Your Own arse that might get wasted.

Seems like he was anti-war only when he had to serve. Can't stand hypocrites.

[JI7]

61. that makes no sense, he volunteered to serve and DID serve

[sulphurdunn]

14. Lying, arrogance, moral posturing

and rank hypocrisy have always been acceptable prerogatives of mass rule by political classes.

[KG]

15. Kerry LOL n/t

[Autumn]

33. Recommended.

[felix_numinous]

45. ...

Irony is dead.

[idwiyo]

48. K&R Perfect!

[indepat]

50. If TPTB fully considered how they would feel were a missile

to kill and/or maim their own children, would they be willing to launch missiles on others, predictably killing other peoples' children.

[99th_Monkey]

51. BIG K&R! eom