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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 09:42 AM Sep 2013

Grayson says he'll 'whip' votes against striking Syria

Florida Rep. Alan Grayson says he'll work to convince other House members to vote against the U.S. attacking Syria, and has started an online petition, dontattacksyria.com, to galvanize public support.

The liberal Democrat from Orlando has been an outspoken critic of the wars and is getting national attention once again with Syria. He appeared on CNN over the weekend. Grayson may not have to work hard.

On Sunday, House members got a classified briefing in Washington on Sunday but it didn't seem to do much good. Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, R-Miami, told Roll Call that she did not think a resolution would pass. “I think that the president has a very skeptical Congress and even more skeptical public to deal with,” she said. “So far he doesn’t have congressional authority, he doesn’t have the American people with him, and he doesn’t have an international coalition. So there are big hurdles that’s he’s got to go through.”

http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-buzz-florida-politics/grayson-says-hell-whip-votes-against-striking-syria/2139513

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Grayson says he'll 'whip' votes against striking Syria (Original Post) n2doc Sep 2013 OP
K&R I hope he does! idwiyo Sep 2013 #1
I'm sure other members view him as a credible authority tritsofme Sep 2013 #2
Considering he is one of the most intelligent members of Congress I would sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #25
In the end he is a backbencher. tritsofme Sep 2013 #28
They WH? I think it's the American people who are important here, what is best sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #30
"Thank the gods for people like Grayson right now so the world can see that not all Americans Speed8098 Sep 2013 #42
+1 countmyvote4real Sep 2013 #51
is that important to you? the personalities that make up the democratic "leadership?" frylock Sep 2013 #59
Alan Grayson, the rational adult in Washington DC. 99Forever Sep 2013 #3
Can you imagine the character assassination Grayson would be subject to, were HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #6
Grayson's brand of honesty and integrity... 99Forever Sep 2013 #8
Grayson could take it. The Green Manalishi Sep 2013 #49
I'd vote for him in a heartbeat. Nt newfie11 Sep 2013 #7
Link to the petition: LWolf Sep 2013 #4
signed lyonn Sep 2013 #23
Just signed the petition, making me 16523. Petition drive is hoping for at HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #5
I'm 38,050. New goal is 50,000. 76% of the way there! magical thyme Sep 2013 #58
K & R ctsnowman Sep 2013 #9
Work it. K&R. n/t Jefferson23 Sep 2013 #10
FLORIDA Rebellious Republican Sep 2013 #11
If bold progressive-ism can win seats in the backyard of Mickey Mouse it can win seats anywhere. Erose999 Sep 2013 #15
I think GOP mantra is wearing thin everywhere. Rebellious Republican Sep 2013 #19
If it weren't for all that big money brainwashing, we'd be a 70-30 nation. reformist2 Sep 2013 #21
Central Florida dems/progressives had an AMAZING year in 2012 nashville_brook Sep 2013 #32
Spot on! Rebellious Republican Sep 2013 #36
True...very true. (live in Tampa). nt caledesi Sep 2013 #56
Go for it.. AsahinaKimi Sep 2013 #12
You bet I will. Rebellious Republican Sep 2013 #20
And don't stop when you get it, Alan Nanjing to Seoul Sep 2013 #37
Signed Speed8098 Sep 2013 #13
All you pro-war against Syria elected officials, and apologists for the US authoritarian regime, NorthCarolina Sep 2013 #14
That's my Congressman! DirkGently Sep 2013 #16
Lucky you. I hope he runs for the Senate. He has demonstrated that the old 'no sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author onenote Sep 2013 #31
You're lucky. Mine is a DINO. forestpath Sep 2013 #48
Thank you Conressman Grayson (n/t) Ocelot Sep 2013 #17
God Bless him for doing that Douglas Carpenter Sep 2013 #18
Good gopiscrap Sep 2013 #22
Signed n/t durablend Sep 2013 #24
Come on Republicans, Obama's FOR it! Dustlawyer Sep 2013 #27
God bless Alan Grayson. Too many stolen elections and false flags. Enthusiast Sep 2013 #29
Excellent Points! pjt7 Sep 2013 #33
Contribute (I just did): http://congressmanwithguts.com/ grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #34
That Pelosi is on the wrong side of this is a disgrace. She should step aside. Faryn Balyncd Sep 2013 #35
Kay and Arr. n/t L0oniX Sep 2013 #38
I Love Alan Grayson! lark Sep 2013 #39
If Obama loses this vote it won't be about Syria to Tweety.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #40
Go Grayson!! malaise Sep 2013 #41
I wish the world was flat again .... and we had 7 million people on the planet ... MindMover Sep 2013 #43
After we end up in a nuclear war with Russia, you may get your wish n/t n2doc Sep 2013 #44
Your premise of nuclear war jumps to a scenario which has been on the table .... MindMover Sep 2013 #45
You were the one wishing for a massively less populated earth n2doc Sep 2013 #46
I was simply trying to point out that we are in a different world than .... MindMover Sep 2013 #47
Please do so ...with gusto! n/t L0oniX Sep 2013 #50
TIME TO HALT THE EMPIRE drynberg Sep 2013 #52
Thank you, Alan....At least someone out there still "gets it" Blue_Tires Sep 2013 #53
A true voice of reason jsr Sep 2013 #54
Grayson, doesn't understand the issue wisteria Sep 2013 #55
courage under fire Supersedeas Sep 2013 #57
Why is there only ONE Grayson in Congress? LittleGirl Sep 2013 #60

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
25. Considering he is one of the most intelligent members of Congress I would
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 12:33 PM
Sep 2013

and especially on ME issues, I would think you are correct, other members do view him as a credible authority. He's certainly in the majority regarding his views on this issue.

What really matters though, since we all know the pressure that is placed on members of Congress to vote the 'right way', is the opinion of the masses, the people, all over the world. Especially those who are informed on these matters, unlike the average American internet poster who have no clue about what is going on there, but will jump onto one side or the other with zero reasoning for their positions.

I certainly trust Grayson who has proven his ability to get to the bottom of issues that are so vitally important to this country's future than any partisan on either side who generally present nothing other than their clearly partisan views.

What is good to see today as opposed to the Bush years, is that people here and in Europe are looking past politics and directly at the issues mainly because people are way more informed now that no longer depend on the Corporate media for information.

tritsofme

(17,371 posts)
28. In the end he is a backbencher.
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 01:11 PM
Sep 2013

If he is the face of Democratic opposition, the White House has very little to worry about.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
30. They WH? I think it's the American people who are important here, what is best
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 05:13 PM
Sep 2013

for them.

Interesting. I always thought that politics was about the people, not about individual politicians.

Very revealing though what we have been learning over the past several years, disturbing but necessary.

Grayson is representative of the majority of the people on this planet right now on this issue.

I hope the WH will join the majority in backing away from what is being condemned word wide and take the advice of the UK Parliament and start prosecuting the Bush War criminals and provide some justice to the millions of their victims that they so deserve.

We have no moral authority on these issues, as the world and even our allies are now telling us until we:

1) Stop supporting dictators around the world as we are currently doing and ...
2) Clean up our own war crimes history which is still waiting for justice. IF we mean it when we say 'this cannot be tolerated'.

Until then we are viewed as nothing but hypocrites, no matter how Congress votes.

Thank the gods for people like Grayson right now so the world can see that not all Americans or their Reps are so anxious to start another disastrous war.

Speed8098

(1,655 posts)
42. "Thank the gods for people like Grayson right now so the world can see that not all Americans
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 04:59 PM
Sep 2013

or their Reps are so anxious to start another disastrous war."



 

HardTimes99

(2,049 posts)
6. Can you imagine the character assassination Grayson would be subject to, were
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 10:13 AM
Sep 2013

any putative candidacy of his to gain traction? Would make Dean's treatment in 2004 look positively banal by comparison.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
8. Grayson's brand of honesty and integrity...
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 10:18 AM
Sep 2013

... scares the shit out of the establishment toadies, and the lapdog media that sells their tripe for them too, for damn sure. Our only hope is that REAL America has had our fill of the bullshit and WE take our nation back.

The Green Manalishi

(1,054 posts)
49. Grayson could take it.
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 08:20 PM
Sep 2013

And he (and WE) would fire right back.

Grayson/Warrren or Warren/Grayson is what I can get behind.

Erose999

(5,624 posts)
15. If bold progressive-ism can win seats in the backyard of Mickey Mouse it can win seats anywhere.
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 11:44 AM
Sep 2013

Grayson is one of the few in Congress I'll donate to.

nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)
32. Central Florida dems/progressives had an AMAZING year in 2012
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 07:17 PM
Sep 2013

due to a lot of hard work and dedication...and very little ongoing support. What happens in Florida happens b/c Floridians are busting ass to make shit happen.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
14. All you pro-war against Syria elected officials, and apologists for the US authoritarian regime,
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 11:38 AM
Sep 2013

Grab yourselves a rifle (available on-line, or at your local WalMart) and head on over to the nearest military plane heading in that direction. Oh, and don't forget to bring your kids too...in fact make it a family outing.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
26. Lucky you. I hope he runs for the Senate. He has demonstrated that the old 'no
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 12:37 PM
Sep 2013

Progressive Dem can get elected in that district' is false.

From now on I won't be listening to 'why you should not waste time on the progressive candidate in that dist.' nonsense. I will only support Progressives no matter what district they are in.

Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #26)

Dustlawyer

(10,494 posts)
27. Come on Republicans, Obama's FOR it!
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 12:52 PM
Sep 2013

I know voting against a war is against your nature and your constituency (MIC), but OBAMA IS FOR IT!!!

Signed!

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
29. God bless Alan Grayson. Too many stolen elections and false flags.
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 01:12 PM
Sep 2013

The public no longer "believes". Things were so simple during the cold war when the government could lie to the public so effectively. Now, after the bull in the China-shop Neo-Con Bush Administration, things don't go down so smoothly.

Look, the American people see that there is something fundamentally wrong with the nation. They know this "fundamental wrongness" is not due to terrorists or petty dictators.

lark

(23,065 posts)
39. I Love Alan Grayson!
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 01:48 PM
Sep 2013

Wish we had a whole lot more people like him in Congress! He gets it right almost always, is always there on the side of the working class and sanity.

Go ALAN GO!!!

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
40. If Obama loses this vote it won't be about Syria to Tweety....
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 03:27 PM
Sep 2013

He will claim it was about Obama spending the rest of his second term as a lame duck.

MindMover

(5,016 posts)
43. I wish the world was flat again .... and we had 7 million people on the planet ...
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 06:48 PM
Sep 2013

instead of 7 billion ... and I wish that we had 2 dozen countries in the world instead of 196 ....

MindMover

(5,016 posts)
45. Your premise of nuclear war jumps to a scenario which has been on the table ....
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 07:06 PM
Sep 2013

for 68 years .... and we have all lived with that shadow hanging over our heads .... and

your assumptions of nuclear war are not out of the concerns of very important people ...

But it does seem to me that you are using this statement as a scare tactic, almost like here is another horrendous possibility that might happen if we as part of a world community take targeted action against the butcher of Damascus ... for using WMD on his own ....




n2doc

(47,953 posts)
46. You were the one wishing for a massively less populated earth
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 07:57 PM
Sep 2013

I guess maybe biological weapons are more along the lines you were thinking of? Chemical weapons don't have the scale needed to wipe out 99% of humanity. Despite your fear-mongering.


I suspect "very important people'" are still concerned about nuclear war. After all, the most important one, President Obama, was awarded a Nobel Piece Prize for nuclear de proliferation efforts.


And I am not the one trying to scare folks. However, you really look ludicrous talking about a 'world community' effort to take out/punish Assad. The only ones doing the 'effort' will the the good old USA. Even Israel is sitting this one out, unless they are attacked.

MindMover

(5,016 posts)
47. I was simply trying to point out that we are in a different world than ....
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 08:08 PM
Sep 2013

what many of commentators seem to think we are engaged in ... it was an attempt to show what many on this site seem to want to do ... harken back to another time and place ...

We are here and now and we are still the leader of the free world ... but maybe not for long, the way we have been handling these issues ...

Now, if you and others do not like that or cannot accept that we are or are just trying to be as non interventionist as you can possibly be, I would ask you to look at another example of our hands off, non-interventionist policy ... Libya ....

I am not advocating punishing the butcher of Damascus, I have been saying all along that I want more than a slap on wrist or a shot over the bow .....

drynberg

(1,648 posts)
52. TIME TO HALT THE EMPIRE
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 03:31 PM
Sep 2013

Hint: We ain't the Sheriff of the friggin' world, and we got lotsa business at home more urgent than meddling with another nation's civil war. At most we should persue the world community through the UN to discover accurate details of what happened. Let's not get "fooled again".

 

wisteria

(19,581 posts)
55. Grayson, doesn't understand the issue
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 06:03 PM
Sep 2013

and his is clueless about Assad. The idea that diplomacy should be tried and will work is naive. Kerry has already attempted to negotiate with this dictator - several times as a Senator. Assad turned around and started killing his own people to remain in ultimate power.

LittleGirl

(8,280 posts)
60. Why is there only ONE Grayson in Congress?
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 08:07 PM
Sep 2013

Where are the rest of the men or women willing to stand up for PEOPLE FIRST and not what the Government wants? It's always the right thing to do for citizens. Always.

Why is their only one Alan Grayson type like that? Doesn't anybody else in the left have any balls besides Grayson and Senator Sanders to grow that backbone and stomp your foot? It works for the righties.

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