Ron Paul: "Reckless and immoral" for US to intervene in Syria

[Nye Bevan]

As Congress prepares to vote on military action in Syria, former Texas Rep. Ron Paul said Sunday that it would be “reckless and immoral” for the United States to intervene in the country’s civil war.

“President Obama announced this weekend that he has decided to use military force against Syria and would seek authorization from Congress when it returned from its August break,” Paul wrote in a weekly column posted Sunday on the Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity website. “Every Member ought to vote against this reckless and immoral use of the US military.”

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“I disagree with the idea that every conflict, every dictator, and every insurgency everywhere in the world is somehow critical to our national security,” Paul said. “That is the thinking of an empire, not a republic. It is the kind of thinking that this president shares with his predecessor and it is bankrupting us and destroying our liberties here at home.”

Paul acknowledged that “any chemical attack, particularly one that kills civilians, is horrible and horrendous,” saying that “all deaths in war and violence are terrible and should be condemned.” “But why are a few hundred killed by chemical attack any worse or more deserving of US bombs than the 100,000 already killed in the conflict?” Paul asked.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/09/01/ron-paul-reckless-and-immoral-for-u-s-to-intervene-in-syria/

[jessie04]

1. Well, if Ron Paul is against a response....

That settles it for me.

[Ohio Joe]

2. Still puking out the pauls bullshit...

A fucking disgrace that this shit is allowed here.

[sagat]

3. +1

Fuck Ron Paul.

[LukeFL]

21. Yes, screw him

[SidDithers]

48. From the fucking Daily Caller...

Ron Paul and Tucker Carlson.




Sid

[2ndAmForComputers]

4. Tell me, what do you intend to achieve by posting this?

[Ohio Joe]

5. Probably the same as yesterdays post

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023579139

Just spewing the ronulans bullshit

[Nye Bevan]

7. That was Rand (nt)

[Ohio Joe]

8. I'm sure you are happy you cover all of the pauls bullshit

Like there is a difference

[Nye Bevan]

9. You disagree with his argument? (nt)

[Ohio Joe]

10. I disagree with pushing ronulan bullshit

But you keep pushing it. Who is up for tomorrow?

[FarPoint]

51. There is no argument...

just flamebait for DU'er. Paul spews propaganda to feed his racist base of teabagger hate mongers. No debate....just propaganda that promotes Paul with his henchmen.

[David__77]

6. Well, I'm glad he will vote no.

No one should have any illusions about Ron Paul being at all progressive - he is not. His vote against this war is a good thing, but he is not.

[Rowdyboy]

14. He retired from the house in 2012 to run for president so he no longer gets to vote....

on ANYTHING thank God.

As to his position on Syria, even a stopped watch is right twice a day.

[David__77]

26. My bad.

Yep, he's terrible.

[CakeGrrl]

11. So, will this at least offset the

"How disgusting that Obama is working with McCain and Graham!" freakouts?

Are we back to playing "Your bedfellows are stranger than mine"?

This is going to be a COMPLEX issue. There will be some people on sides of it that aren't expected.

It might be premature to stake the "Anyone who agrees/disagrees with _______ is on my shitlist" claims.

[BootinUp]

12. Fuck Ron Paul

n/t

[Cerridwen]

13. ron paul is a neo-con bigot and racist.

I don't give two fucks what he has to say and his words should not, so far as I'm concerned, be posted as having any value whatsoever, on a nominally leftist board.

his values are not mine. I don't care what his words look like on the surface, he shares not one of my values.

[fujiyama]

34. Well just for the sake of accuracy (and I certainly am not interested in defending Paul)

they may be bigots (and both Pauls do seem very comfortable around racists), but neoconservative they are not. There is a deep split on foreign involvement and intervention between the true neo-con wing (McCain, Graham, etc) and the more isolationist wing (like Rand Paul).

[Demo_Chris]

38. Paul is not even remotely a neocon. As for being a racist I cannot say. nt

[Thinkingabout]

15. You can't judge Ron Paul's stand on anything by the way he votes. Good Old Ron, attach his

Earmarks to a bill he knew was going to pass and then vote against the bill because of the spending, now that guy was not even true to himself. The more I hear about the Paul's the more I realize they don't need to be elected to any office. I wonder if his medical office was run this way.

[LukeFL]

25. Which bill was this? I am going to

Bookmark this for the Ron Paul lovers out there- Especially the libertarians/ right wing nuts

[Thinkingabout]

31. It wasn't a bill, there were several, a google search will develop several sites with information

And listings of money allotted. He came with an excuse he was bringing money back to his district and he bragged he did vote for spending.

[Jefferson23]

16. He can't vote, so does this mean his son is a no vote in the senate? Hmm. n/t

[X_Digger]

17. This post was alerted on.. 4-2 to keep.

Ron Paul: "Reckless and immoral" for US to intervene in Syria
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023584212

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. (See <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=aboutus#communitystandards" target="_blank">Community Standards</a>.)

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

Another day and another post by this one trying to push the fucking pauls. Here is yesterdays puch

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023579139

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Sep 2, 2013, 08:21 PM, and the Jury voted 2-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: I'm no fan of Ron Paul. I think he's a kind of refined demagogue who remains stunningly silent about the role of corporations in his fantasy libertarian state. That being said, I have no idea what's so offensive about this post. Actually, the alert reads as rather thin-skinned and intolerant. Let's listen to views we don't agree with. It's a good policy.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT and said: This is DEMOCRATIC Underground. Ron Paul is a REPUBLICAN. Please push his talking points elsewhere. Hiding because this does not belong on DU.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Alerter: Free clue- messenger != message.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: I hate censorship.

[Ohio Joe]

20. That is ok, it was really a Terms of Service alert

I did not much care if it was hidden, I really want the admins to look at the postings.

[Skip Intro]

35. You want the admin to ts a regular poster, here for nine years?

For this? Wow.

Well the jury got it right, though it should have been 6-0 to keep. Since the poster is still here, the admin must side with the jury.

Good job DU!

[Ohio Joe]

36. For one post... No

For the pattern of supporting the pauls and other crap like citizens united.

[Nye Bevan]

44. I very rarely post about either of the Pauls.

And should supporting the ACLU's stance on Citizens United really be grounds for tombstoning?

[SidDithers]

50. Good alert...

The Pauls, and their fans, don't belong on DU.

Sid

[Nye Bevan]

23. "The alert reads as rather thin-skinned and intolerant".

Juror 1 nailed it.

Personally I find it interesting when someone that I normally disagree with agrees with me about something. That's one reason that I never use the Ignore feature on DU, BTW.

[X_Digger]

30. Some folks do seem to have a shallow, almost un-principled stance on some issues.

Whatever "My guy / Person I like" says must be true, and whatever "Person I hate / Their guy" says must be wrong.

What I find particularly funny is the contortions those people make when their authority figure changes position- the justifications and convoluted explanations are a thing to behold.

[hrmjustin]

18. What is your opinion of Rand Raul?

[Nye Bevan]

19. I agree with him on pot, but not much else (nt)

[hrmjustin]

22. I find him to be an icky creature.

I did not know he was ok with pot.

[Ohio Joe]

24. He is not ok with pot, it is typical ronulan bullshit

What he is 'for', is getting rid of the FDA and letting drug companies do as they please. It is very similar to his 'anti-war' stance, which is more bullshit. He is isolationist and let private armies hired by corporations go kill who they please.

Ronulans know this but keep putting them forth as 'anti-war' and 'pro-pot' anyway.

[BootinUp]

27. What he is really for

is convincing people to send him money by taking controversial/fringe positions. He was a teabagger before it had that name.

[Ohio Joe]

29. That is a better description of it

Well said

[LukeFL]

28. Crazy mentality

[2ndAmForComputers]

32. Fuck Ron Paul

And his fanboys.

On second thought, fuck his fanboys doubly.

[fujiyama]

33. OK, personally I think Ron and his offspring are nuts

but on the issue of foreign intervention, I am more in agreement with that wing of the crazy party than I am even with the Democratic wing that thinks we can solve all problems abroad with a few cruise missiles.

Right now on the issue of building and maintaining an empire, the neo-conservative mindset IS the established viewpoint and is considered serious and mainstream. Why is that? Just yelling "fuck the Pauls" feels great but in reality the Pauls on this issue are talking more sense than McCain, Graham, and the (thankfully ex-Senator) Lieberman who are all in favor of the intervention (and are more die-hard than the president in wanting an intervention).

I actually do hope the House and Senate vote overwhelmingly against getting involved in Syria. Chemical weapons are nasty and the death of over a hundred thousand civilians is horrific, but the reality is people have been getting killed there for over two years. There is nothing we can do to achieve peace.

[Luminous Animal]

37. Fucking sick that Ron Paul will be the anti-war voice.

And Dems have abandoned an anti-war stance which leaves cretins like Paul to lead low information citizenry over the fascist cliff.

[Luminous Animal]

43. I don't. Not for a moment and neither should any peace Dem.

[avaistheone1]

40. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Ron Paul happens to be correct on the Syrian issue imo.

I don't support Ron Paul but I do agree with him that we should not interfere militarily in Syria.

[ismnotwasm]

41. Fuck Ron Paul

The last person I'll listen to about anything. There are any number of people who present a better case for no invasion that aren't that slimy POS.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

45. Ron Paul is a little like Putin ...

... coming to the right conclusion on this issue ...

... wrong on everything else.

[Douglas Carpenter]

46. Let's be honest and admit the truth. On some things RON Paul is wronger than almost any right-wing

Republican. But on a few other things (very few) - he is RIGHTER than almost any leading mainstream Democrat. Is that not the truth?

[woo me with science]

47. He's correct on this.

It's disgraceful that today's corporate-purchased Democratic Party now sides with the likes of Cheney and McCain on warmongering and has ceded the anti-war issue to extreme libertarians like Paul.

[SidDithers]

49. The Daily Caller too?...

Why are you using right-wing Tucker Carlson's website as a source at DU? Are we going to see dailypaul.com from you too?

Sid

[treestar]

52. Straw man

And he doesn't get the potential regarding chemical weapons?

[MADem]

53. The Daily Caller? Fucker Carlson's Internet Hate Rag?

It's not bad enough we have to be treated to the nitwit and lack of wisdom of Ron "I'm Full of Shit and Will Lie About Anything" Paul on a way too regular basis (and his Little Son, Too!!!) but getting Daily Caller clips on DU really makes me feel as though I've gone through the looking glass to Free ReNutnick.

[Nye Bevan]

54. But some of the very best DUers use that site as a source.

This one, for example:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=32113

[MADem]

56. Look at the CONTEXT, why doncha? A snarky post about Newt Gingrich and oral sex is not

"news"--hard or otherwise.

I would never use that dogshit site to bolster a policy argument. The fact that you're having difficulty parsing between a gossipy joke-post about Newt's "proclivities" and issues of national import is a bit .... disturbing, though.

[Nye Bevan]

58. Ah, so in cases like that it's fine to direct DUers to "Fucker Carlson's internet hate rag".

Got it.

[MADem]

59. When one is making a joke-- "Look, I have a LINK" -- but not when one wants to

impart serious information. It's all about the IRONY...but we don't have an 'irony' smilie so one has to rely on the basic awareness of the average DUer.

I don't think you DO get it, but in time you might.

[Nye Bevan]

60. Thanks very much for educating me.

I truly appreciate it.

[Union Scribe]

57. Nice.

[MADem]

61. You don't get it either, I see.

I guess I'll have to apply an "Irony Alert" cream to any post that snarks about the GOP, just for people like you who also don't quite "get it?"

[Union Scribe]

62. Pal you got hoisted

just accept it and move on. Continuing to act like your using a source is okay and other people doing it isn't is just digging deeper.

[MADem]

63. If you seriously think that a joke about Gingrich and oral sex is the "same" as "Ron Paul love"

then you're the one who has "hoisted" a few too many.

And I'm not the one with the shovel, here!

[spanone]

55. fuck off paul

[TBF]

64. Even a broken clock is correct twice a day. nt

[L0oniX]

65. Waiting now for the framing of the anti war crowd as being aligned with Ron Paul....

which is the typical DU bull shit tactic.

[Erose999]

66. To hell with Ron Paul and to hell with war in Syria. They're both equally fuck-headed.