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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 12:32 PM Sep 2013

Gas Attack: Germany Offers Clue in Search for Truth in Syria

Gas Attack: Germany Offers Clue in Search for Truth in Syria

By Matthias Gebauer

German intelligence agrees with other Western agencies that the Assad regime was behind the Aug. 21 poison gas attack in Syria. One important clue was provided by a telephone conversation intercepted by German agents.

Germany has said in no uncertain terms that it will not participate in a strike on Syria without the backing of the United Nations Security Council. But the country's foreign intelligence agency, the Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND), agrees with the US position which holds Syrian President Bashar Assad responsible for the poison gas attacks near Damascus on Aug. 21. In a secret briefing to select lawmakers on Monday, BND head Gerhard Schindler said that while there is still no incontestable proof, analysis of the evidence at hand has led his intelligence service to believe that Assad's regime is to blame.

In the briefing, Schindler said that only the Assad regime is in possession of binary chemical weapons such as sarin. The BND believes that regime experts would be the only ones capable of manufacturing such weapons and deploying them with small missiles. The BND believes that such weapons had been used several times prior to the attack on Aug. 21, which is believed to have killed more than 1,400 people. Schindler said in the earlier attacks, however, the poison gas mixture was diluted, explaining the much lower death tolls in those assaults.

During his 30-minute presentation, Schindler offered up scenarios to explain why the Assad regime resorted to chemical weapons use, including, he said, the possibility that Assad sees himself involved in a crucial battle for Damascus. The city is besieged by rebel groups, with particular pressure coming from the east. Schindler believes it is possible that the regime ordered the use of poison gas as a way of intimidating the rebels. It could also be the case that errors were made in mixing the gas and it was much more potent than anticipated, he said.

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Schindler also presented an additional clue, one that has not thus far been made public. He said that the BND listened in on a conversation between a high-ranking member of the Lebanese militia Hezbollah, which supports Assad and provides his regime with military assistance, and the Iranian Embassy. The Hezbollah functionary, Schindler reported, seems to have admitted that poison gas was used. He said that Assad lost his nerves and made a big mistake by ordering the chemical weapons attack.

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http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/german-intelligence-contributes-to-fact-finding-on-syria-gas-attack-a-920123.html


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polly7

(20,582 posts)
2. Ah, no problem getting another war on, then.
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 01:06 PM
Sep 2013

As long as the Security Council is on the job! If there's no proof, it can be invented pretty easily.

uponit7771

(90,301 posts)
4. After Iraq I'm looking for Adley Stevenson type proof, some pictures some other ish besides he said
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 01:45 PM
Sep 2013

...she said at this point.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
5. France releases new, 'undeniable' evidence against Syria
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 02:57 PM
Sep 2013
France releases new, 'undeniable' evidence against Syria

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It accused the Syrian government of using "extremely lethal" chemical weapons -- including those containing the deadly nerve agent sarin -- on several occasions to sow "terror" among civilian populations.

"These proven attacks have shown that the forces of Bashar Assad's regime adapt their tactics and the munitions in their stocks with the aim of causing terror within the civilian population," the French report said.

"The past events and the simultaneous and massive use of chemical weapons on the night of 21 August 2013 in the eastern suburb of Damascus thus confirm that the Syrian regime has deliberately crossed a line. Our services have information, from a national source, leading us to believe that other actions of this nature could still be carried out."

The attack on was a "massive and coordinated use of chemical agents against the civilian population," it alleged, adding that evidence appeared to confirm an estimated 1,500 deaths.

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http://www.latimes.com/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-france-evidence-syria-20130902,0,1163653.story

The U.N. collected samples and testing is underway, which will provide independent confirmation of the the specific chemical used.



uponit7771

(90,301 posts)
8. None of this proves Assad ordered the attacks or even that it was by his troops, just that they used
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 10:02 AM
Sep 2013

...Chemical weapons.

There are no pics of Assad soldiers firing off weapons or commands of his generals ordering them...

Again, this makes no sense...

Why would Assad himself lob chemical weapons in this area when it was at the least contained.

uponit7771

(90,301 posts)
9. The explanation of why is weak as all get out, there was no reason to use the gas PERIOD and Assad
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 10:05 AM
Sep 2013

...himself is not named till later in the article with no mention of him ordering them just his "regime" which in that case could mean anyone.

Assad is the devil we do know and he has 70% of the people backing him against wingers....

This is a stand a wait time for me

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