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http://touch.latimes.com/#tsection/-1/article/p2p-77265984/"BY MATT PEARCE
September 4, 2013, 1:10 a.m.
Ariel Castro, the man who has been sentenced to life in prison for holding three Cleveland women captive for roughly a decade before their rescue this year, was found hanged in his cell and is believed to have committed suicide, Ohio officials said.
Castro, 53, was found in his cell at the Correctional Reception Center in Orient Tuesday evening, a prison spokeswoman told the Associated Press. He was pronounced dead at a hospital."
A coward to the end.
Kolesar
(31,182 posts)Thanks,
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014584873
now we can forget that loser and direct our attention to important matters.
Th1onein
(8,514 posts)No man is an island,
Entire of itself,
Every man is a piece of the continent,
A part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less.
As well as if a promontory were.
As well as if a manor of thy friend's
Or of thine own were:
Any man's death diminishes me,
Because I am involved in mankind,
And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls;
It tolls for thee.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Clarence Darrow.
Ilsa
(61,675 posts)A kidnapper. An abuser of women. Fuck him all the way to hell.
Th1onein
(8,514 posts)Sorry, but those kinds of rationalizations don't hold water.
Ilsa
(61,675 posts)Castro was an evil, unrepentant SOB. I'm happy when evil is destroyed by itself.
Go ahead and waste your time feeling sorry about his death. I won't.
Th1onein
(8,514 posts)It's been done throughout history to justify killing others, and it's wrong. It's wrong whether it's done to the Jews, or to Ariel Castro, or to blacks, or any other group, or person. It's just wrong.
Ilsa
(61,675 posts)by equating him to Holocaust victims. He beat them, tortured them, impregnated them, and forced one to have a miscarriage by almost beating her to death, and you equate his existence with Holocaust victims. You need to rethink who side he was closer to. He looks more like Hitler than his victims.
Th1onein
(8,514 posts)You INFER what you like, but you would be wrong. And I think you know that.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)There's the biggest, most ridiculous stretch ever posted.
Sorry, but your comparison doesn't hold water.
REP
(21,691 posts)But plenty of sympathy for Castro.
Holy crap. I better just see my way out of this thread before I say something more......
The milk of human kindness in limited quantities, reserved for those who have committed horrible crimes. Other women? Not so much.
Monsters deserve sympathy.
liberalhistorian
(20,809 posts)in severe punishment both for women who've had abortions and for doctors who perform them, regardless of the reason.
And she's also one of those deluded people who think that by making abortion illegal that that will somehow magically stop them all. HA. Statistically, there were nearly as many illegal abortions every year before '73 as there are and have been afterwards. The difference is thousands of women don't die horrible deaths, or aren't maimed or injured for life, because of them. And back-alley butchers will assuredly return if she gets her way on the law.
I remember my grandmother telling me some real horror stories about friends, classmates and family who endured illegal abortions. One of them was given no anesthetic at all, just some whiskey and a rag to bite down on. Makes me sick to even think of it.
JustAnotherGen
(31,681 posts)LiberalHistorian. I'll remember that.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)I can see a woman saying that they wouldn't have one, as that is her choice. What I can't see is making this a crime and deciding for everyone else what it is they should be doing.
Ilsa
(61,675 posts)those revealing discussions.
For the first time, I may put someone on Ignore.
lapislzi
(5,762 posts)I see a poster lamenting a general lack of compassion among humanity. I see regret that the sentence was not carried through.
I see no sympathy for this monster, nor do I expect to.
Do not confuse compassion with sympathy. They aren't the same thing at all. I can express compassion over a human life that was so fucked up that the human being became a monster. That's not sympathy.
Are we clear?
liberalhistorian
(20,809 posts)I am not grave-dancing or rejoicing, but neither, however, am I in sackcloth and ashes mourning. And my compassion for what screwed him up so badly to become what he became does NOT equate to sympathy for him or victim-blaming at all.
lapislzi
(5,762 posts)The best approximation of that concept would have been for the sentence/punishment to be carried out until the prisoner expired of "natural" causes (as opposed to a premature end by his own hand). There is no "appropriate" length of sentence, as evinced by the impossibly long consecutive prison terms. The person did not belong in society. Another society would have executed him. We didn't.
OK, he's out of society. I guess that's the best outcome. What else is to be said?
REP
(21,691 posts)I'm not the one who compared Castro to the victims of the Holocaust; nor am I the poster who calls women who have abortions "murderers." No worries; it's easy to reply to the wrong post
lapislzi
(5,762 posts)Too much yelling and arm-waving. Thanks for cutting me some slack
bunnies
(15,859 posts)3-3 to leave it. Unfucking real.
Ilsa
(61,675 posts)by definition. Equating a violent sociopath to innocent Holocaust victims is totally absurd.
Letting that comment stand has pretty much destroyed my trust in DU's jury system. I guess it depends on time of day, etc.
I was juror #1.
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Th1onein
(8,514 posts)is a Democratic value. Castro was a sick, sick man. But evil? I don't know that, and neither do you.
One thing that I always thought liberals did NOT do, though, was grave dance.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)murdered to a guilty man taking his own life. HUGE difference. and OFFENSIVE difference.
i do not grave dance. and you wont see me in any of the threads doing that. but, that isnt what your post was.
Th1onein
(8,514 posts)DEHUMANIZATION of a group of people. That's all it did. If you think otherwise, you totally missed the point.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Glad they were hanged.
Th1onein
(8,514 posts)richmwill
(1,326 posts)Would I have mourned the death of Hitler as much as you are mourning the death of Castro? Not at all. Did you cry when Bin Laden was killed, too?
lapislzi
(5,762 posts)I'm disappointed.
PS--You lose.
liberalhistorian
(20,809 posts)absurd, nutball, STRETCH of a comparison that I have EVER heard in my life, and I've heard some doozies, believe me.
Secondly, you are a total hypocrite because if it had been a woman who'd had an abortion or a doctor who'd performed one, you'd be cheering it on.
Now, I agree with you that I take no pleasure in this man's suicide and that every life is ultimately important, no one is an island and all that. And I'm also totally against the death penalty no matter who it is. But that doesn't mean that I'm gonna mourn in sackcloth and ashes over it, either, frankly. Although I do think it would have been far worse of a punishment for him to spend the rest of his miserable life in cramped captivity, like he had no problem with subjecting his victims to. He probably figured that, too, which is why he did what he did.
cliffordu
(30,994 posts)Really?
You think those two things equate?
WTF is wrong with you?
Ilsa
(61,675 posts)half of the jury didn't think it was over the top.
cliffordu
(30,994 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)This ridiculous post might have broken the internet.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)LordGlenconner
(1,348 posts)It's stunning there people here defending this lowlife.
Buns_of_Fire
(17,119 posts)This is where I occasionally disagree with John Donne. The tumor, in this case, chose to remove itself. No celebration, no sorrow -- it's gone. Good. Throw it in the trash and move on.
Th1onein
(8,514 posts)REP
(21,691 posts)Or does that make her the "murderer" to you?
Touche! Maybe it's only a problem when a pregnant woman terminates an unwanted pregnancy?
REP
(21,691 posts)Women make evil, selfish choices. Men deserve forgiveness. I guess.
Sheldon Cooper
(3,724 posts)liberalhistorian
(20,809 posts)LOL
Sadly enough, there are people who WOULD think that poor Michelle Knight was to blame for her forced miscarriages.
Buns_of_Fire
(17,119 posts)A post below called it "beneficial erosion," which is more in keeping with the poem than my somewhat clumsy metaphor.
But I truly believe that his death does not diminish mankind one iota.
Ilsa
(61,675 posts)I think there are a few individuals in the world that represent so much evil by causing so much pain, that mankind is healthier without them breathing air.
Th1onein
(8,514 posts)Because you don't stand in his victims' shoes. Wouldn't you think that the innocents that he imprisoned and tortured deserved to see him come to justice? I do.
aikoaiko
(34,127 posts)There is nothing un-liberal about being glad a predator is no more.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)But frankly I'm not mourning, either. More of a "huh, so I guess that happened" thing
BootinUp
(46,924 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)LuvNewcastle
(16,820 posts)It was probably the only decent thing the scumbag ever did in his rotten life.
liberal N proud
(60,298 posts)imprisonment
LisaLynne
(14,554 posts)What a coward.
Botany
(70,282 posts).... but sooner or later he was going to die in prison but this is way too soon
he should have suffered for years.
vankuria
(901 posts)I think he got off way too easy, by killing himself he no longer has to pay for what he did. In a statement made by one of his victims in court she stated something to the effect of him having to think about what he's done for the rest of his life and to suffer the way he made his victims suffer.
As for saving tax payers money, I can only hope his family doesn't sue the state of Ohio for failing to protect him (from himself in this case).
Whatever anyone thinks, what matters is what his victims feel about this. Perhaps this might be true closure for them.
Heather MC
(8,084 posts)He can dish out but he can't take it. I just hope it hurt like hell
perdita9
(1,142 posts)This is a complete failure on the part of the guards. I'm sure his three victims are pissed Castro was able to take himself out instead of being forced to deal with his term of punishment.
noamnety
(20,234 posts)I'd probably feel more closure if the guy was dead instead of knowing he was still around. I'm not advocating for the death penalty, I oppose that, just saying that I wouldn't be pissed that the guy was no longer around.
WCLinolVir
(951 posts)The phrase it ain't over till it's over comes to mind. For people abused as little children it is amazing how the death of an abuser can effect you. You didn't even know that you were holding your breath for that long. And yet the death doesn't magically dissolve the emotional ties, but it sure makes it easier. Sometimes even the death makes you feel like you were cheated. But I have to say, I wish my parents had died a lot earlier. It would have been a gift. Horrid to say, but true.
The sad part is, once you are a victim of a violent traumatic crime, you don't ever feel completely safe. And you have to rebuild your functional world with that construct.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)I literally breathed a sigh of relief when my mother died. I didn't realize I'd been holding my breath waiting to be truly free of her for 56 goddam years. Of course I knew in my head she'd never be able to hurt me again. But there was always a little knot of fear inside me half expecting her to show up shrieking and raging like something out of the exorcist...until there wasn't.
WCLinolVir
(951 posts)When my sister told me my mother was dying I was so relieved. It was unexpected. Yeah, I was finally safe from this person. I had already dropped contact with her. My sister asked me to fly out to help with her care. I live across the continent now and could not do it. Nor did I want to. I knew the only reason I would was my sister, who is still in denial. My mother had resources for care but my sister insisted on helping out. I just had to let it go. I am only sorry I did not truly confront her for everything that transpired years ago. At the last moment she changed her will disinheriting all of her biological children. All 6 of us. Just had to get in a last dig.
amuse bouche
(3,657 posts)Go work at one for a while. You will come back singing a different tune
Swede Atlanta
(3,596 posts)as others have posted prisons are severely understaffed and often the guards are inadequately trained to deal with these types of prisoners. I am not generalizing about everyone involved in the prison system but I think that is a fair assessment looking from the outside.
Your outrage, however, should be more precisely directed to the voters of Ohio and the Ohio legislature and Governor. They are the ones that have decided on the level of funding, training, etc. in their state prison system. It is easy to blame "the system" but that is too anonymous. The system is the one designed, funded and maintained by state politicians as voted in by the electorate.
So if Ohioians are mad about this then they need to look in the mirror and decide what they want to do to improve the situation.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Having lived there during the moratorium against the death penalty, people were content that serial killers would be kept locked up for life and never be loose in society again. Because they had the proclivity and could not be talked out of their sense of entitlement to do such acts.
Then came the 'save the taxpayers money, it's not a problem anymore, the government is too big' and 'rehabilitation is a bleeding heart liberal waste of money' memes that produced budget cutting and hampered treatment or recording of what condition these folks were in.
After a while the Supreme Court ruled that the underfunding had created a system which was in itself, wrong from overcrowding and inhumane, just as they were considering the death penalty. The result of that was that more money would have to be spent or prisoners would have to be set free to relieve overcrowding.
The state took the latter choice and released a lot of people who citizens thought would never be loose again. Several notorious serial killers were released who immediately stole vehicles, robbed, kidnapped, tortured and or raped and murdered people the same day they were freed. They kept going until caught. That's when the support for the death penalty grew again.
But it was the fault of the conservatives who did not want to pay taxes to maintain a proper system of rehabiliation or long term confinement to keep the public safe.
It always gets back the legislature, but the blame is affixed to the judiciary or executives, or anyone that can be seen as liberal when being liberal does not mean raise hell and get away with it, by any stretch of the imagination. It means keeping society functioning and safe in that way guaranteeing freedom for all who have the willingness or capacity to be so.
While I couldn't access the LATimes article to see the details as to how Castro, or if Castro alone, hung himself, the ideas bandied about here that he did it himself with a rope, strikes me as wrong in two ways. What is the proper use of rope in a prison environment?
They're not practicing lassoing horses, I'm sure, and they have shackles and cuffs, so they would have a need for rope lying around. I've used it in construction, or tying things down in transport, but it's not a thing that is available for no reason. It's not like you rent a place to live and have a check off list of 'chairs, bed, table, oh, and I need a rope just in case I want to kill myself here.'
And you must know how to make a hangman's noose and it's not that common a skill. It's also not a fast way to die or necessarily silent way to die, and if he was still in the intake process, he would have been under observation unless they were understaffed. If a guard or inmate did observe him doing so and did not interfere, that would be an illegal act. Even death row inmates are not allowed to commit suicide.
Any prison guard that facilitated this could be brought up on charges. Any inmate that helped him or forced him into this would be charged with murder. If he did this with bedsheets or using his clothing, premeditation would not be credible. But it would be if a person has been suggested, gave him a rope. At any rate, this is an unlawful killing due to a lack of supervision, or outright murder by someone who forced this. That is certainly not unknown.
And no, I don't feel sympathy for him one way or the other. But it sets a bad precedent and is a violation of his and society's rights and the court's authority for anyone to help him to end his life. It seems rather handy, and I don't go with the 'save the tax payers money' meme, either.
Because would not those same voices argue that another person, who was found wrongfully convicted, should not be 'saving taxpayer money' by either execution or committing suicide to escape an unjust or brutal system?
And I don't call him a coward, but regard him as a particularly loathesome specimen of a human I would not want to spend any time helping. But if it was a suicide, an assisted suicide or murder, noe of those show cowardice but do show either mental disorder or a crime being committed.
The brave and coward talk is about people with the liberty to choose, on a battle field, not in a prison cell. In such circumstances that person is helpless and unable to harm others, which is one of the arguments against the death penalty. That it should not be imposed upon someone who is rendered harmless to society.
While I don't rejoice at his death, anyone who does, is free to do so without any complaint from me, either. At times the mind simply wants to forget about something or have it over with.
Just my two cents.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Scheduled to be checked on every 30 minutes. I expect a cunning monster like him could hang himself in half an hour.
Niceguy1
(2,467 posts)Wiuld have been to treat him the way PV1 manning was treated..which dunfound to be inhumane..
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)Now they know he will not turn up in their lives again. No escape. No release. Good fucking riddance.
Personally, I'm glad he spared us the cost of feeding, housing, guarding and health care.
Renew Deal
(81,801 posts)You would be the same person raving if he was kept in solitary confinement.
Tanuki
(14,893 posts)born from his rape of Amanda Berry. I'm pretty sure this would never have been granted, but at least his victims will be spared being dragged through any of that. I would never wish for the suicide of another human being, but since that was his choice, I wish he would have done it ten years ago and spared those young women years of horror and captivity.
Catherine Vincent
(34,485 posts)May Amanda Berry's mother rest in peace.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)A fucking coward to the end.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)I'm for a sci-fi kind of punishment. IIRC, he got a full thousand year prison sentence.
Make it ten thousand. And give him life extension technology so he'll have to serve the entire sentence. Yes, he'll be bored.
Or give him the full Marvin. "The first ten million years were the worst, and so were the second ten million. After the third ten million years, I went into a bit of a decline."
0rganism
(23,855 posts)...something that simulates the passage of time at high speed.
10 boring same-old simulated days per day. No one to interact with but AIs.
Prisoner would be immobilized, catheterized, and fed through iv during this process.
Castro could have served his full term in a mere 100 years, and he wouldn't have been able to hang himself along the way.
Swede Atlanta
(3,596 posts)On the one hand I feel he did not suffer enough. He kept those girls that matured into women for over a decade and yet his total incarceration was less than one year. I have always said that the death penalty is the easy way out. If you had to choose between being locked up 23 hours a day in a tiny room for the rest of your life versus going onto a gurney and injected with a cocktail of drugs that take you away from that existence, which would you choose?
On the other hand the taxpayers of Ohio will not have to pay to provide for him for the rest of his life and his victims can rest knowing he is gone. I am not trying to speak on their behalf because only they can express their own feelings about this turn of events but one fact is certain - he can never do what he did to another human being and has no chance of escape, etc.
Orrex
(63,084 posts)One might even call it a dead giveaway.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Woof_Woof
(24 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Or Jail Inc just lost $45,000 per year in revenue for who knows how long.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)And how did a man on every-30-minute suicide watch get a hold of something to make a rope out of?
This case doesn't smell right to me...
Sheldon Cooper
(3,724 posts)He hung himself with a bedsheet.
And they accepted the guilty plea instead of having a death penalty trial because they may not have been successful in getting that sentence - the only person(s) Castro is accused of killing is/are fetuses. Why not save the state the insane cost of a death penalty trial and endless appeals by taking the LWOP plea?
Romulox
(25,960 posts)For what was he being checked on "every 30 minutes" if not a suicide watch?
The argument about fetuses is an utter red herring, and I, for one, am not biting.
Sheldon Cooper
(3,724 posts)I really don't understand what more you would have wanted the state of OH to do. They got him LWOPed with almost no expense to the state, comparatively speaking. What's the point of doing more, other than satisfying a perverted blood lust?
Anyone who is in protective custody is checked periodically - if he was on an actual suicide watch, it would have been at least every fifteen minutes if not more frequently. Anyone can kill themselves if given 30 minutes to do so, so it's clearly not to prevent suicide. Also, he would not have been given bedsheets if there was concern about suicide. And yet that's what he used.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)objection. I just finished researching the matter, and I was wrong.
Anyone who is in protective custody is checked periodically - if he was on an actual suicide watch, it would have been at least every fifteen minutes if not more frequently. Anyone can kill themselves if given 30 minutes to do so, so it's clearly not to prevent suicide. Also, he would not have been given bedsheets if there was concern about suicide. And yet that's what he used.
Perhaps EVERY prisoner is checked every 30 minutes, and I was mislead by news accounts. Do you know if that's the case?
riqster
(13,986 posts)His was 30 minutes. It's tailored to the PC and situation.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)The idea that nobody had an idea this guy was a suicide risk seems suspect to me. That said, not one tear was shed by me this day...
riqster
(13,986 posts)Some are checked to make sure they aren't wrecking their cells, trying to escape, or to make sure no other prisoners have slipped into the cell to abuse, rape or kill him.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)Obviously someone had to evaluate him for suicide risk, and that evaluation was obviously wrong. This is self-evident.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Seriously - the man fooled everybody for a decade about who and what he was. You think he couldn't fool a jailhouse shrink for a few months? Fuck yeah, he could pull that off.
Second-guessing experts only works in simple situations, and sometimes not even then.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)The idea that nobody could've known that this infamous man serving a 1000 year sentence might be a suicide risk is silly, so I'm not sure why you want to argue it.
Sheldon Cooper
(3,724 posts)and prisons should hire enough personnel to continuously watch all of them, all the time. Good luck with that.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)Nice snark, btw. Was I less than cordial with you?
riqster
(13,986 posts)Assuming that his suicide risk was obvious is specious. The authorities have every reason to exceed the need with respect to security, so if there were such indications they would have upped the security, if only to mitigate their liability.
It's easy to draw conclusions and make judgements based on evidence that appears after the fact. But to pretend that the people involved with the situation could have foreseen this event is hindsight at best.
Hindsight, as one of my uncles famously said, "ain't nothin' but lookin' out yer backside".
Romulox
(25,960 posts)Romulox
(25,960 posts)That is an important distinction. I suspect you had to modify my argument because you cannot possibly argue against the latter point.
"But to pretend that the people involved with the situation could have foreseen this event is hindsight at best."
Of course it is possible to have foreseen Castro's suicide. That's also not debatable. That's where the very concept of "suicide watch" comes from, after all.
You're arguing whether his suicide should have been foreseen. Not whether it could have.
lapislzi
(5,762 posts)As another poster has pointed out, they may have been criminally negligent in their minding of the prisoner, believing (correctly) that nobody would be especially sorry to see the prisoner die by his own hand.
If anyone can tell me what would or would have constituted "justice" in this case, I'm all ears. There are no good ends, none.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)Sheldon Cooper
(3,724 posts)And yes, you are being ludicrous. As your other "interrogator" pointed out - Castro managed to hide his true self from every fucking person he knew for ten fucking years. It's not inconceivable that he could have fooled prison personnel in the two short months he was detained. It wouldn't be the first time and it won't be the last. But thank god you're here to set everyone straight - maybe you ought to contact the Ohio board of corrections and offer your services. I'm sure they'll be gobsmacked to find out that some inmates are suicide risks.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)Sheldon Cooper
(3,724 posts)Which is a good way to minimize my point, right? Well, you are bewildering to me as well, so I'm done with this. Have the last word.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)I honestly haven't a clue what you are trying to say, or what you are trying to disagree with. If that is just one more reason for you to take offense, well...
Romulox
(25,960 posts)What value/belief of mine are you attempting to refute? It may help to refocus the discussion if you could restate it.
Renew Deal
(81,801 posts)Because it avoided a trial?
I read that he wasn't considered a risk. Where did you see that he was on a 30 minute watch?
Romulox
(25,960 posts)Renew Deal
(81,801 posts)Ilsa
(61,675 posts)Romulox
(25,960 posts)risk--such people aren't usually given access to bedsheets, belts, shoelaces, etc.
Anyhow, I've made a poster extremely cross with me for asking about this, for reasons I don't full understand. I think I will leave it alone, as I don't really know what to think, other than a residual outrage at this man's crimes.
Ilsa
(61,675 posts)As a recovered rape victim, I won't pretend that his death saddens me in any way, or that I won't rejoice that he ended his life on his own. I simply won't be that dishonest.
Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)He should have rotted in prison for decades.
JustAnotherGen
(31,681 posts)Seems unfair that his punk ass didn't even get to rot in there for ten years.
get the red out
(13,458 posts)But I'm not sad that his life has ended.
DinahMoeHum
(21,737 posts)In the animal kingdom, the female gestures to the male that she is ready for mating - giving consent as it were.
Ariel Castro was far, far worse than an animal.
Sorry, but I'm glad he's gone.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Loudly
(2,436 posts)and a sturdy overhead pipe, beam or hook to fasten it to.
It's the humane thing to do for anyone on the inside.
lapislzi
(5,762 posts)Perhaps they suffer total despair of ever winning an appeal or parole. Should they just off themselves to avoid gumming up the system?
I'm glad you're not my jailer.
Loudly
(2,436 posts)Forced confinement is preferable?
lapislzi
(5,762 posts)If you're that determined to off yourself, you'll find a way. I'm a firm believer in going out on your own terms. But stacking the deck just isn't fair. Giving people the means and opportunity when they've already got the motive...is cruel in its own way.
Did the world a favor.
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)I mean, it could be a suicide, it could have been made to look like a suicide...he didn't have many fans.
zappaman
(20,605 posts)rocktivity
(44,555 posts)Good riddance.
rocktivity