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meegbear

(25,438 posts)
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 01:32 PM Sep 2013

The Rude Pundit: Defending Not Wanting War with Syria

A couple of things need to be tossed aside like used condoms in the brain-fucking rhetoric of the march to Syria chemical weapons degradation bombing, also known as "war."

First, let's stop comparing this to the bullshit that led to war in Iraq. Yeah, sure, there's some valid similarities: intelligence being tailored to fit the agenda, the fainting-chair act of being shocked that a crazy dude would use chemical weapons. But there's a major piece missing that invalidates the comparison. See, while George W. Bush and his scabby band of syphilitic liars was willing to ass fuck us into diseased complacency on war, they also gave our fears a reacharound and a nice rub-and-tug. The Bush administration told us that Iraq's possession of weapons of mass destruction was an apocalyptic crisis for the United States, that nukes and germ bombs would be heading our way. Oh, and Iraq was involved with al-Qaeda and, well, maybe 9/11. It was all smoke screens and nonsense, but at the very least, for those who wrongly supported the war, they could say they were too shit-scared and freaked out because we might be annihilated. (By the way, if you were wrong about the Iraq War - ahem, John Kerry - then you probably should be shutting the fuck up about this one.)

The other historical reference that needs to be shitcanned is the Hitler nonsense. No, Secretary of State Kerry, this ain't a "Munich moment." Hitler was already making waves about invading Poland and Czechoslovakia when Neville Chamberlain made his fateful, much-maligned statement about "peace for our time." And, truly, comparing the despicable use of chemical weapons in a civil war to the Nazi concentration camps, as Kerry and others have done, is like comparing apples and six million corpses. Random chemical bombings do not a Holocaust make.

The Rude Pundit doesn't mind hyperbole in his arguments. But, for fuck's sake, a little dignity, a bit of accuracy, and a tincture of historical reverence go a long way in making you not sound like a screaming paranoiac.

When the Rude Pundit says "Fuck Syria," he does so with full knowledge that the Assad regime may very well be responsible for horrific attacks on its citizens. He does so with full knowledge that over 100,000 people have died in the civil war. He does so with full knowledge that the refugee crisis is mind-blowingly enormous. He doesn't want those people to die or suffer. But he doesn't want to blow another few hundred billion dollars on another war, not now, not with an economy that is still crawling when it should be walking upright, not after more than a decade of war in Afghanistan, a war that's still going on, in case you didn't notice, with American soldiers still dying there.

"I voted for Obama because he said he was going to keep us out of war," said a pal of the Rude Pundit today. Yet there was Obama asking, if the United States doesn't take action, "How credible is the international community when it says 'this is an international norm that has to be observed?'" What he hasn't explained is how a very limited, nearly unilateral bombing of Syria does anything more than pry open the can of war worms. He hasn't explained why the United States has to act nearly alone (yeah, yeah, France). And he hasn't given us a reacharound other than that we should do it because chemical weapons are bad and we are the good guys. Well, shit, isn't all this what the United Nations and the Hague are for? If the international community's credibility is on the line for the enforcement of international norms and treaties, then why the fuck do we have to get all bomby just because our leaders have an unending hard-on for war?

Oh, right. That probably answers the question right there.

And if this anti-war position makes strange bedfellows or some such bullshit, well, you know, the Rude Pundit is pretty sure that Pat Buchanan and Rand Paul like ice cream and pie, too. Just because they do doesn't mean that he ain't havin' the Dutch apple a la mode.

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The Rude Pundit: Defending Not Wanting War with Syria (Original Post) meegbear Sep 2013 OP
auto-rec for the rude one-- "our leaders have an unending hard-on for war" edition.... mike_c Sep 2013 #1
K&R n/t myrna minx Sep 2013 #2
(By the way, if you were wrong about the Iraq War - bullwinkle428 Sep 2013 #3
My favorite part too. Enthusiast Sep 2013 #8
+1 BrotherIvan Sep 2013 #14
When the Rude Pundit says "Fuck Syria," he does so with full knowledge........... wandy Sep 2013 #4
I am reminded of an ancient Doonesbury comic: malthaussen Sep 2013 #5
+100 for the last paragraph alone. n/t lumberjack_jeff Sep 2013 #6
If it wasn't for RP, I would go crazier....... russspeakeasy Sep 2013 #7
Keep it comin' R.P. Blue Owl Sep 2013 #9
Excellent! DeSwiss Sep 2013 #10
I hope the Rude Pundit opposes intervention like I do- in full knowledge more chemicals will be used KittyWampus Sep 2013 #11
Brilliant! Scuba Sep 2013 #12
Let em get their civil war on. It's theirs. It produces building blocks for a firm future. toby jo Sep 2013 #13

mike_c

(36,281 posts)
1. auto-rec for the rude one-- "our leaders have an unending hard-on for war" edition....
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 01:38 PM
Sep 2013

Nobody does it better than the Rude Pundit.

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
3. (By the way, if you were wrong about the Iraq War -
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 01:48 PM
Sep 2013

ahem, John Kerry - then you probably should be shutting the fuck up about this one.)

K&R.

wandy

(3,539 posts)
4. When the Rude Pundit says "Fuck Syria," he does so with full knowledge...........
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 01:56 PM
Sep 2013
Amen!

Please go back and re read that paragraph.
THAT is why some of us are so dead set against military involvement in Syria.

Right on Rude.

malthaussen

(17,184 posts)
5. I am reminded of an ancient Doonesbury comic:
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 02:21 PM
Sep 2013

"A Protective Reaction Strike means not ever having to say you're sorry!"

Do these people (our "leaders" and "representatives," for our sins) really think that if you change the words, the boo-boos will all go away? Another time Doones really hit it:

"Secret bombings? The bombings weren't secret. In fact, I remarked on them. I said 'Look, Martha, here come the bombs!'"

-- Mal

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
11. I hope the Rude Pundit opposes intervention like I do- in full knowledge more chemicals will be used
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 03:32 PM
Sep 2013

as Assad gets more desperate.

I am all for waiting until a lot more civilians are dead. Sounds awful, but there it is.

Meanwhile, let's send some help to Syria's neighbors trying to deal with the aftermath.

 

toby jo

(1,269 posts)
13. Let em get their civil war on. It's theirs. It produces building blocks for a firm future.
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 04:51 PM
Sep 2013

Hard won, but firm.

We go in and we're handing em a 'see yourself as the adolescent, the grown-ups are here now' rubric. When we go, the fighting starts again.

Help the refugees with all those bucks, but hands off.

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