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Joe Shlabotnik

(5,604 posts)
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 04:50 PM Sep 2013

Desperate To Sew Up TPP Negotiations At Any Cost: All Future Meetings Will Be Completely Secret

From Techdirt:

We've been reporting for several years about the extraordinary levels of secrecy surrounding the TPP negotiations, where little information was released about what was going on, and there were few opportunities for representatives of civic and other groups to meet with negotiators to present their point of view. More recently, there have been some indications that this lack of transparency is fuelling increasing discontent among some of the participating nations.

In order to get the trade deal sewn up by the end of this year, and before resistance spreads further, the negotiators have decided to hold 'inter-sessional' meetings for the remaining unresolved areas.

That is, rather than opening up TPP in response to widening criticisms, its negotiators will now be meeting in complete secret, presumably until they emerge with some kind of a deal, however bad. Since no information will be released about those gatherings behind closed doors, and there will be no opportunities to convey concerns to the participants, the public in whose name all these talks are taking place will have no way of knowing what is going on or of offering its views. It's the ultimate in arrogant, "we know best" negotiations where citizens are expected to accept what is given, no discussion allowed.

The last time this approach was used on this scale was for ACTA, which was ultimately rejected, largely because the European public took to the streets to express its outrage at the contempt being shown towards it by the negotiators. Interestingly, in Colombia people are already taking to the streets to protest against the effects of free trade agreements with the US, Europe and Canada, at least in part. Do the governments participating in the now-secret TPP negotiations really want to risk the same happening in their own countries?
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130902/09433124383/desperate-to-sew-up-tpp-negotiations-any-cost-politicians-agree-all-future-meetings-will-be-completely-secret.shtml#comments

From Scoop:
‘“Inter-sessional” is a misnomer’, says Professor Kelsey, ‘because they are not planning any more formal sessions. There will be no access for the media or stakeholders to these smaller meetings.’

‘Past inter-sessionals have been shrouded in secrecy to ensure we can’t find out what’s happening and we don’t have access to those negotiators who see value in talking with us.’

‘The last three years of the TPPA have been widely condemned for their lack of transparency. The process is now going further underground’.

‘But the biggest obstacle to a deal is the US-driven chapter on state-owned enterprises, where discussions on the text have barely begun. A new version that combines US and Australian proposals is beset with political, conceptual and technical problems. Almost no progress was made on it in Brunei.’

‘Finishing in December may mean the Obama administration has to give this chapter away’, Professor Kelsey speculated. ‘Yet the SOE chapter has been a centrepiece of their sales pitch to Congress on the TPPA. Without it, Congress may refuse to give the President “fast track” authority and retain their power to pick apart any final deal.’
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU1309/S00003/tppa-goes-into-overdrive-and-underground.htm
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Desperate To Sew Up TPP Negotiations At Any Cost: All Future Meetings Will Be Completely Secret (Original Post) Joe Shlabotnik Sep 2013 OP
I truly never thought I'd be just as sickened by a Democratic administration as I was by its Repug MotherPetrie Sep 2013 #1
Neo-liberal and neo-con arcane1 Sep 2013 #5
+ 1. n/t truedelphi Sep 2013 #13
No difference, they both Totally Pander to Pompous Asses Vincardog Sep 2013 #14
The 2 wings of the Business-party n/t Joe Shlabotnik Sep 2013 #18
I feel the same way. liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #12
K & R AzDar Sep 2013 #2
Please tell me how any Democrat can disagree with any of that? pipoman Sep 2013 #3
Government of the people, by the people, and for the people, does not conspire in secret... Demo_Chris Sep 2013 #4
The People - IDemo Sep 2013 #17
This is messed up Harmony Blue Sep 2013 #6
Slip it in while the tail wags the dog. mick063 Sep 2013 #7
It's Just So Disturbing colsohlibgal Sep 2013 #8
Ugh, K&R for exposure... nt. druidity33 Sep 2013 #9
A Koch meeting? Downwinder Sep 2013 #10
And notice how successful this war on Syria, blah blah rah rah stuff is: truedelphi Sep 2013 #11
Yes and thank God ChangeUp106 Sep 2013 #15
Ah Hah! Sneak it in while we are Bombing Syria? KoKo Sep 2013 #16
Whose world is it? Our world! Whose world? Our wor.., oops, sorry WHEN CRABS ROAR Sep 2013 #19
Unfortunately this is a good example that shows the Democrats are worse than the Republicans. avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #20
RepubliCONS never dare to go so far????? fasttense Sep 2013 #22
Saint Ronnie may have started the Neocon trade agreements avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #24
Holy Corporate-Draconia Batman!! nt 99th_Monkey Sep 2013 #21
Brought to you by the same people who want you to think leakers should be locked up. Marr Sep 2013 #23
The secrecy is evidence they know felix_numinous Sep 2013 #25
We don't even have the facade of a representative government anymore. woo me with science Sep 2013 #26
In our faces, down our throats bunnies Sep 2013 #27
I don't know about everybody else Aerows Sep 2013 #29
Im 100% with you on this. bunnies Sep 2013 #30
More transparency. n/t cloudbase Sep 2013 #28
 

MotherPetrie

(3,145 posts)
1. I truly never thought I'd be just as sickened by a Democratic administration as I was by its Repug
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 04:52 PM
Sep 2013

predecessor.

But the Obama administration certainly has proven me wrong.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
3. Please tell me how any Democrat can disagree with any of that?
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 05:06 PM
Sep 2013

Including our President and other sundry elected officials..

 

Demo_Chris

(6,234 posts)
4. Government of the people, by the people, and for the people, does not conspire in secret...
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 05:17 PM
Sep 2013

Against the people.

But that probably goes without saying.

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
8. It's Just So Disturbing
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 05:47 PM
Sep 2013

But, sadly, not surprising. The Corporations and Wall Street run both parties at the top.

The democrats are moving left on social issues, all good but maybe we all wind up equal and smoking pot in the poorhouse.

It remains irritating and maddening to me that liberal talk has virtually ignored all this other than Thom Hartmann and Mike Papantonio (and I imagine Mike Malloy), but it looks like they are lone voices in the wind as we're further sold out.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
11. And notice how successful this war on Syria, blah blah rah rah stuff is:
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 06:51 PM
Sep 2013

The Ed Snowden caper, or how I stopped worrying and came to love our total surveillance state, part two, is now off the headlines.

Ditto the Trans Pacific Plan. Can't find any American media talking about it. And what ever happened to that nice young man from Illinois, the young African American senator, who said if elected, he would offer the American people the most transparent administration to date?

ChangeUp106

(549 posts)
15. Yes and thank God
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 06:58 PM
Sep 2013

The media was beating a dead horse with the Snowden story. If you care about the issue, by all means keep fighting. But it was overkill.

 

avaistheone1

(14,626 posts)
20. Unfortunately this is a good example that shows the Democrats are worse than the Republicans.
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 07:29 PM
Sep 2013

The Republicans never would dare to go so far when they ruled.

Democrats appear to be a better at being an opposition party rather than a leadership party.
No one can hold this Democrats in control or accountable.

I believe there are only 2 or 3 legislators who represent and protect us.

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
22. RepubliCONS never dare to go so far?????
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 07:42 PM
Sep 2013

Are you serious?? Who do you think started all these Neocon trade agreements? Why Saint Ronnie Raygun.

In fact even if TPP never passes, we still have some really awful WTO trade treaties that neocons wrote up and US presidents signed off on that are so similar to the TPP it would make your blood boil.

Why do you think Clinton signed the Glass-Steagel Act repeal? Because it was a condition of one of the WTO trade agreements the idiot Raygun allowed.

 

avaistheone1

(14,626 posts)
24. Saint Ronnie may have started the Neocon trade agreements
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 07:54 PM
Sep 2013

but it took Bill Clinton to sign NAFTA into law.

The TPP is much worse than the other trade agreements, even Elizabeth Warren says Americans should be very alarmed about it. Why do you suppose the administration wants such secrecy about TPP?

BTW What have the Democrats done to walk back NAFTA, or any of these other terrible agreements?



felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
25. The secrecy is evidence they know
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 02:35 PM
Sep 2013

the details of this agreement will piss people off--which we are already. I cringe to wonder what surprises are in store for us now.

If they are doing nothing wrong, they should have nothing to hide. Touché!

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
29. I don't know about everybody else
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 03:32 PM
Sep 2013

but I'm disgusted with Washington at this point, R's and D's both.

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