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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDid you support the President going thru Congress?
Or would you have preferred he made the decision alone to bomb Syria?
Did he not have to address the issue once the Republicans and the media made a big deal about the "red line"?
If you supported the President going thru Congress, what would you prefer he do next?
I think the President is doing all he can do under the circumstances.
What would be your recommendations?
BlueToTheBone
(3,747 posts)and I hope that he will abide by the decision made and not circumvent like Reagan did.
Erose999
(5,624 posts)PNAC Incorporated (aka: Congress) will probably pass it
leftstreet
(36,106 posts)kentuck
(111,079 posts)But it does in regard to "war".
leftstreet
(36,106 posts)He has done JACK SHIT for Americans
He's been whining for 5 fucking years that Congress is obstructionist and just meanies to him, and his loyal supporters remind us every day that his poor widdle hands are tied
He hasn't even TRIED to help his own citizens, but he fairly RUNS to Congress to get approval to bomb a sovereign nation
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)I fully support single payer. I bet in his heart, so does Obama. But you know, or SHOULD know, that single payer has not a snowballs chance in hades of getting passed by this Congress.
leftstreet
(36,106 posts)liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)If it happens I hope it is quick and no ground troops.
HardTimes99
(2,049 posts)make Congress his accessory to the war crimes about to ensue?
Talk about a Hobson's Choice!
kentuck
(111,079 posts)How should he have handled the "red line" attacks by the Repubs and the media? Did he not have to address that at all?
I am playing devil's advocate here.
HardTimes99
(2,049 posts)U.N. Security Council. Any attack on Syria without a U.N. Security Council resolution beforehand constitutes a war crime and breach of the peace.
kentuck
(111,079 posts)...they will have enough to impeach him, with the same votes after the action is done, don't you think? He is stepping into a trap - a big trap. If he could get the Security Council to agree to some action, then his bases would be covered. But the Repubs cannot be trusted, in my humble opinion.
Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)And I hope that both parties in Congress (and our party in particular) tell him to get bent.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)That being said, it was good politics.
Fuck The Teabagger Congress!
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)onehandle
(51,122 posts)He's not your average President.
Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)As C-in-C, a president can always use military force to respond to an immediate attack on the US, or US forces, or where already authorized by Congress. But the president does not have the constitutional authority to simply attack another country, even in a case like this.
Presidential power:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articleii#section2
Congressional power:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articlei#section8
To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;
To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;
To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;
To provide and maintain a navy;
To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;
To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
Note particularly that "offenses against the law of nations". It is Congress that has the constitutional authority to decide whether an offense against the law of nations has occurred, and Congress who has the authority to decide to punish such an offense.
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)it was in a way almost worth having this strike come up to have this happen. Not entirely of course, but it's a very big deal as I see it, and very fortunate on that limited point.
If he had gone forward alone, it would've been an utter disaster.
I'd recommend now, if he gets the resolution, taking his time and giving the world and the UN a chance to catch up before making a move. If he doesn't get it, he shouldn't go ahead, but wait and Assad will probably make an even bigger mistake that is even more obvious before too long.
He needs the world on board, and he needs Syrian public support on board, before going ahead. Time is on his side in delaying until he gets that.
kentuck
(111,079 posts)They may still try it, if he goes thru with the plan?
David__77
(23,369 posts)If they say "YES," then congress deserves the shit stain on them too. So, yeah, I'm all for it.
maddezmom
(135,060 posts)Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)Because President Obama did follow the constitutional process, it's now in Congress' hands.
Because it is in Congress' hands, the relevant question is what Congress should do next. I would hope that at a minimum they evaluate the evidence and also evaluate the options before making the decision to authorize an act of war - which is what this will be.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)so that the force can be as agile as possible when the time comes for the inevitable necessity of improvisation.
mike_c
(36,281 posts)eom