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struggle4progress

(118,224 posts)
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 11:43 PM Sep 2013

Snowden Leak Said to Derail Brazil Trip Ahead of Visit to Obama

By Arnaldo Galvao - 2013-09-05T03:00:00Z

Brazilian authorities have canceled a trip to the U.S. that was designed to prepare for President Dilma Rousseff’s state visit next month in response to charges the U.S. spied on Latin America’s largest nation.

Brazilian officials originally scheduled the trip for Sept. 7 to 11 to organize the details of Rousseff’s visit, according to a government official who is close to the president and asked not to be named because the information isn’t official. He didn’t know whether Rousseff would cancel her trip.

Brazil’s government wants the U.S. to respond this week to a report the National Security Agency used software to probe Rousseff’s communications with several aides, Foreign Minister Luiz Alberto Figueiredo told reporters in Brasilia Sept. 2. The spying, if true, would be “unacceptable,” he said.

“It’s a warning shot,” David Fleischer, a Brasilia-based political scientist, said in a phone interview. “If the U.S. doesn’t provide adequate answers, they may cancel the visit altogether” ...


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-09-05/snowden-leak-said-to-derail-brazil-trip-ahead-of-visit-to-obama.html

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Snowden Leak Said to Derail Brazil Trip Ahead of Visit to Obama (Original Post) struggle4progress Sep 2013 OP
Once again his heroics fall short. pnwmom Sep 2013 #1
Awww, you didn't want the Brazilian President to know her emails and phone calls were spied on? David Krout Sep 2013 #6
He's trying to interfere with American diplomacy around the world. pnwmom Sep 2013 #10
our "American diplomacy around the world" is a pile of fucking shit. frylock Sep 2013 #13
Bravo for Snowden. Hint: Stop spying on our allies...and on our own people. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2013 #2
Under what, if any, circumstances would you consider intelligence activities permissible? struggle4progress Sep 2013 #3
Whistle blowing on governments and corporations. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2013 #4
I'm not anti-government on principle: the state, itself, is not the source of all evil struggle4progress Sep 2013 #5
A better question: Did the US suspect the Brazilian President of terrorism? nt David Krout Sep 2013 #7
Dunno. But since I think Greenwald often tells fuggety-faced lies to whore for attention, struggle4progress Sep 2013 #8
Brazil says US didn't want terrorism-related information but industrial/trade information David Krout Sep 2013 #9
There could be lots of reasons they were interested in Brazilian communications. pnwmom Sep 2013 #11
They use our tax dollars to spy for their financial benefit Rumold Sep 2013 #12
ZOMG!!1 Not Cuba! frylock Sep 2013 #14
I'm curious to know why there wasn't a peep of international outrage Blue_Tires Sep 2013 #15
 

David Krout

(423 posts)
6. Awww, you didn't want the Brazilian President to know her emails and phone calls were spied on?
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 07:46 AM
Sep 2013

Sowwy.

pnwmom

(108,955 posts)
10. He's trying to interfere with American diplomacy around the world.
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 10:11 AM
Sep 2013

Who's going to benefit? Russia, primarily . . . that bastion of human rights where he has decided to take up residence.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
4. Whistle blowing on governments and corporations.
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 02:09 AM
Sep 2013

How about you?

Do you condone spying by the Russians, Chinese, or other real or manufactured bogeymen? Allies? Should spies from other countries be pursued if they're just doing what "every" country does?

struggle4progress

(118,224 posts)
5. I'm not anti-government on principle: the state, itself, is not the source of all evil
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 07:41 AM
Sep 2013

in the world IMO -- on that point, I part company from idealistic anarchists and libertarians

I don't expect to live in the world I want to live in: the best I can hope in that direction is to attempt to leave the world in some respects better than it was when I arrived. I have bvery little stomach for military operations or realpolitik based on the projection of power -- but it also sometimes seems to me inevitable

I'm glad the Polish cryptographers had spent time working out the theory of the German Enigma machine before WWII began, and I'm glad the US worked out some of the Japanese codes before Pearl Harbor

"Spying" is a mixed bag, of course. IMO Valerie Plame seems to have been doing important work, of value not only for the US but for everyone who opposes nuclear proliferation. I won't claim to similarly approve of every covert agent

struggle4progress

(118,224 posts)
8. Dunno. But since I think Greenwald often tells fuggety-faced lies to whore for attention,
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 08:07 AM
Sep 2013

I'm not inclined to run immediately with whatever Greenwald says but rather prefer to study his claims a while before deciding what to think of them

 

David Krout

(423 posts)
9. Brazil says US didn't want terrorism-related information but industrial/trade information
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 10:00 AM
Sep 2013

Are they Greenwald?

Now tell me if you believe the Brazilian Govt.

pnwmom

(108,955 posts)
11. There could be lots of reasons they were interested in Brazilian communications.
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 10:14 AM
Sep 2013

For example, Brazil has very close relations with Cuba.

 

Rumold

(69 posts)
12. They use our tax dollars to spy for their financial benefit
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 10:22 AM
Sep 2013

economic espionage to benefit the 1%

its not that hard to figure out

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
15. I'm curious to know why there wasn't a peep of international outrage
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 03:53 PM
Sep 2013

when Manning revealed Hillary Clinton tapped the phones of pretty much everyone at the U.N.

I'm also wondering when, if ever, we'll finally get to see the Russian stuff...

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