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President Barack Obama, center, with House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), left, and House
Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) in the Cabinet Room at the White House in Washington,
Sept. 3, 2013. (Photo: Christopher Gregory / The New York Times)
It's Not War, So Stop Saying That
By William Rivers Pitt
Truthout | Op-Ed
Thursday 05 September 2013
The towers are gone now, reduced to bloody rubble, along with all hopes for Peace in Our Time, in the United States or any other country. Make no mistake about it: We are At War now - with somebody - and we will stay At War with that mysterious Enemy for the rest of our lives.
- Hunter S. Thompson
John Boehner and Eric Cantor think attacking Syria is a great idea, and have encouraged all congressional Republicans to support President Obama in the upcoming vote to authorize such an action, though they don't intend to actually whip votes or anything. John McCain was for attacking Syria, but against it, yet for it, but refused to vote for it unless his amendment making the resolution more fulsomely war-ish was added to the final text. Sheldon Adelson, the right-wing billionaire who spent $70 million trying to defeat Obama in the 2012 election, is firmly in the president's corner when it comes to saving Syrian civilians by dropping bombs on them.
Boehner, Cantor, Adelson and Obama: if someone showed you a picture of them playing golf together, you'd think it was Photoshopped, because it's just too deranged to be real. But there they are, all four of them, walking shoulder to shoulder towards the precipice of another Middle East conflict, with McCain as usual scurrying to keep up.
Secretary of State John Kerry made it abundantly clear during a congressional hearing on Tuesday that he is ready to ask someone to be the first to die for a mistake, and did so with a barrage of gibberish so vast that it bent the light in the hearing room.
He insisted with table-pounding vehemence that the president is not asking America to go to war by asking America to flip missiles and bombs into Syria, because it totally won't seem like war to us. No one bothered to ask what it will seem like to the people on the receiving end of our non-war armaments. It won't be like war, though, so stop saying that.
The rest: http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/18609-its-not-war-so-stop-saying-that
(h/t to Bob Boudelang, wherever you are)
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)while yelling "when the fuck are we going to wake up from this nightmare?".
pjt7
(1,293 posts)& told him say NO to Syrian war.
Felt good!
Precisely
(358 posts)and fold into paper airplanes to throw out the window ...
n2doc
(47,953 posts)"It's not a war if we don't suffer" Of course, this is exactly the same attitude that this Administration has towards the Drone attacks.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)He does NOT have a chin.
Rockyj
(538 posts)Very unfortunate looking man.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Like this Star Trek episode points out ...war should be messy and bloody ...so people avoid it at all costs. The episode has two parties at war where the hits and deaths are calculated and selected by a computer. Those selected must report to death chambers. A clean war.
Amazes me how much wisdom those old Trek's had.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)dawg
(10,621 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Transcendent. HST would be proud.
Great piece, thanks.
jsr
(7,712 posts)Last edited Thu Sep 5, 2013, 11:47 AM - Edit history (1)
AllyCat
(16,152 posts)Mind if I use it when "discussing" the topic with the next moron that spouts this $hit?
Is that Code Pink in the background?
jsr
(7,712 posts)Rockyj
(538 posts)Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)GeorgeGist
(25,311 posts)mgardener
(1,812 posts)It struck me from the above photo, that John Bohner is darker then our POTUS.
No wonder he gets no respect from other repubs.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)tecelote
(5,122 posts)The only thing the Republicans will support the President on is War.
Damn our citizens but war is something they can agree on.
n2doc
(47,953 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Plus boner's war tie is to die for, almost as good as nancy's war beads of death from above.
HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)But she did look lovely at the SF Opera opening the other night.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)And if we are being honest with ourselves we would have to say that yes would be the answer of the majority.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)the media and our electeds would be calling it a dirty sneak attack and an act of war.
Since it is the USA that may be the aggressor it is alright. We are the good guys.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)Last edited Thu Sep 5, 2013, 11:35 AM - Edit history (2)
it was a "conflict," yet 56,000+ Americans and over a million Vietnamese are still very dead. Korea wasn't a war, it was a "police action," but the "police action" dead are still as dead.
Congress hasn't declared war since WWII when we were clearly attacked by another country and, by proxy, her allies. The Constitution demands that Congress declare war but we long ago found a way around that pesky little document, didn't we?
HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)Well at least in the beginning....
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)is dependent on which end of missile trajectory you are on.
According to the wording of the explanation given to congress, The attacks on 9-11 were air strikes with confiscated projectiles with pre-existing collateral causalities.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,009 posts)what's so hard about that?
ctsnowman
(1,903 posts)Classic.
CrispyQ
(36,424 posts)There is apparently something about trips to Europe that turn American presidents into blathering foot-in-mouth idiots. Our last president popped off a real brain-bender during a trip to Poland when he told some assembled reporters that America had, in fact, found WMD in Iraq. Now we have this. Maybe it's the cabin pressure on Air Force One. Someone should probably look into that before the next president goes over and makes us all look like hopeless fools again.
Thanks for the sad smile on a totally not funny topic.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)It is possibly an side effect of SOS Kerry's ability to bend light and reality, but I was in the present and now apparently have reappeared in the past.
Is this 2003?
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)pa28
(6,145 posts)The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. "That's not the way the world really works anymore." He continued "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that realityjudiciously, as you willwe'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors ... and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."
Between Obama, Kerry and the rest of the war boosters I'm starting to think there's a bit of gap there between our objective realities. What we sometimes called "bizzarro world" during the Bush administration.
Precisely
(358 posts)thank you for that.
harun
(11,348 posts)Ocelot
(227 posts)School Teacher
(71 posts)My brother in law died in Vietnam. Our family can smell a "Let's Start a War Lie" a mile away. We can no longer trust our "leaders". They are obviously lying otherwise they would have made it possible for the UN inspectors to stay. There are too many internet rumors and factual accounts that the gas may have been released by rebels.
The consequences of bombing will be opening Pandora's Box and we won't be out of there for a decade. Just look at the photo and see how nervous these liars are, they know very well its not true! They are so out of touch in Washington and they think we are so stupid. But we have them figured out.
Stay on the phone and the net and out in the streets. Stop them in their tracks.
malthaussen
(17,175 posts)... ya know, lots of people like to compare Mr Obama to Mr Bush. Why do I keep getting flashbacks to Mr Nixon?
Do these people seriously believe that playing games with the words changes the reality?
-- Mal
The CCC
(463 posts)More Bush Doctrine of Preemptive War. Because someday someone may want to attack us for us attacking them.
carolinayellowdog
(3,247 posts)Boehner has creeped me out in almost every still but Obama and Pelosi normally at least look like they're trying to do the right thing. In this shot they all look like they're leading us over a precipice, clueless.
avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)antigop
(12,778 posts)HardTimes99
(2,049 posts)Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)I had to turn the TV several times while watching liberal Democrats spout the most dishonest, nauseating lies I have perhaps ever heard.
Like the lead-up to the Iraq invasion, this is an ugly wake-up call for me.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Just kidding, sheesh.
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)neverforget
(9,436 posts)Never gonna give you up
Never gonna let you down
Never gonna run around and desert you
cui bono
(19,926 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Because everyone knows, in the case of legitimate war, the, you know, the American body politic is able to shut it right down...