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WilliamPitt

(58,179 posts)
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 09:36 AM Sep 2013

It's Not War, So Stop Saying That



President Barack Obama, center, with House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), left, and House
Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) in the Cabinet Room at the White House in Washington,
Sept. 3, 2013. (Photo: Christopher Gregory / The New York Times)


It's Not War, So Stop Saying That
By William Rivers Pitt
Truthout | Op-Ed

Thursday 05 September 2013

The towers are gone now, reduced to bloody rubble, along with all hopes for Peace in Our Time, in the United States or any other country. Make no mistake about it: We are At War now - with somebody - and we will stay At War with that mysterious Enemy for the rest of our lives.

- Hunter S. Thompson


John Boehner and Eric Cantor think attacking Syria is a great idea, and have encouraged all congressional Republicans to support President Obama in the upcoming vote to authorize such an action, though they don't intend to actually whip votes or anything. John McCain was for attacking Syria, but against it, yet for it, but refused to vote for it unless his amendment making the resolution more fulsomely war-ish was added to the final text. Sheldon Adelson, the right-wing billionaire who spent $70 million trying to defeat Obama in the 2012 election, is firmly in the president's corner when it comes to saving Syrian civilians by dropping bombs on them.

Boehner, Cantor, Adelson and Obama: if someone showed you a picture of them playing golf together, you'd think it was Photoshopped, because it's just too deranged to be real. But there they are, all four of them, walking shoulder to shoulder towards the precipice of another Middle East conflict, with McCain as usual scurrying to keep up.

Secretary of State John Kerry made it abundantly clear during a congressional hearing on Tuesday that he is ready to ask someone to be the first to die for a mistake, and did so with a barrage of gibberish so vast that it bent the light in the hearing room.

He insisted with table-pounding vehemence that the president is not asking America to go to war by asking America to flip missiles and bombs into Syria, because it totally won't seem like war to us. No one bothered to ask what it will seem like to the people on the receiving end of our non-war armaments. It won't be like war, though, so stop saying that.

The rest: http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/18609-its-not-war-so-stop-saying-that

(h/t to Bob Boudelang, wherever you are)
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It's Not War, So Stop Saying That (Original Post) WilliamPitt Sep 2013 OP
At this point my only form of protest is to repeatedly bang my head against the wall Warren Stupidity Sep 2013 #1
I called my Congressman this morning pjt7 Sep 2013 #25
protesting the use of drones we could write letters to Congress Precisely Sep 2013 #26
The level of arrogance this presents to the world is incredible n2doc Sep 2013 #2
I object to that depiction of Assad Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #3
Asshat as a pinhead Rockyj Sep 2013 #41
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023599929 L0oniX Sep 2013 #13
And to the housing crisis. It's not a crisis any more if the banks don't suffer. n/t cui bono Sep 2013 #55
Bob? Is that you? dawg Sep 2013 #4
"fulsomely war-ish" MannyGoldstein Sep 2013 #5
4 out of 5 dentists say there is no chance of pregnancy if it's a quickie jsr Sep 2013 #6
Well, that just about sums up the insanity of this whole thing. AllyCat Sep 2013 #34
Yes, it's Code Pink. jsr Sep 2013 #35
Scary...Kerry actually looks evil in this pic Rockyj Sep 2013 #42
This is not a pencil! Stop saying that it is! You are making me one angry muppet! /nt Dragonfli Sep 2013 #48
Einstein would be proud ... GeorgeGist Sep 2013 #7
Off topic mgardener Sep 2013 #8
oranger. The color is off in the picture. Warren Stupidity Sep 2013 #9
Figures... tecelote Sep 2013 #10
Where's gridlock when you need it? n2doc Sep 2013 #15
Perfect! tecelote Sep 2013 #53
On reflection I like the "pouty-lipped war faces" Warren Stupidity Sep 2013 #11
Nancy has her waxy face of destruction on. HangOnKids Sep 2013 #18
When they say it isn't war I ask myself if it was Syria dropping A bomb on the US would it be war? jwirr Sep 2013 #12
If it was Syria dropping A bomb on the US, or our allies R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #54
Well, Viet Nam wasn't a "war" either, Le Taz Hot Sep 2013 #14
And they didn't send troops they sent "advisers" in Nam HangOnKids Sep 2013 #20
Your definition of war or not war Half-Century Man Sep 2013 #16
it's war when it's war, and it's not when it's not. NRaleighLiberal Sep 2013 #17
"it bent the light in the hearing room" ctsnowman Sep 2013 #19
John Kerry, I could not believe the shit I've heard from his lips recently. CrispyQ Sep 2013 #21
Speaking of science, I believe that I have been transported back in time. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #22
If I had ever been here before I would probably know just what to do... Don't you? Dragonfli Sep 2013 #49
Reading this I'm reminded of Karl Rove's quote on "reality". pa28 Sep 2013 #23
great observation Precisely Sep 2013 #24
A poignant yet accurate observation. harun Sep 2013 #28
They all have the same bloodthirsty expression (n/t) Ocelot Sep 2013 #27
WE HAVE SEEN THIS MOVIE BEFORE School Teacher Sep 2013 #29
"A Protective-Reaction Strike Means Not Ever Having to Say You're Sorry..." malthaussen Sep 2013 #30
It's Not War, So Stop Saying That The CCC Sep 2013 #31
all three of them look like they're dishonest and about to do something wrong carolinayellowdog Sep 2013 #32
They sure do. avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #36
k&r. Thanks, William. nt antigop Sep 2013 #33
Emphatic K&R. Can't think of anything to say that doesn't violate the ToS, so I'll leave it - nt HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #37
A-fucking-men. Hell Hath No Fury Sep 2013 #38
Isnt "Truthout" a known CT sight? rhett o rick Sep 2013 #39
Whaaargarble. WilliamPitt Sep 2013 #40
Up WilliamPitt Sep 2013 #43
Down? rhett o rick Sep 2013 #44
run around? neverforget Sep 2013 #46
Rick Rolled!!! cui bono Sep 2013 #56
Get a load of this, Will: pinboy3niner Sep 2013 #45
Okay, so it's not war-war Scootaloo Sep 2013 #47
I'd call that a DUzy /nt Dragonfli Sep 2013 #50
Wonderful! Thanks. n/t ocpagu Sep 2013 #51
Will, you have hit it out of the park with this piece! Thank you! n/t markpkessinger Sep 2013 #52
 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
1. At this point my only form of protest is to repeatedly bang my head against the wall
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 09:39 AM
Sep 2013

while yelling "when the fuck are we going to wake up from this nightmare?".

 

Precisely

(358 posts)
26. protesting the use of drones we could write letters to Congress
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 11:36 AM
Sep 2013

and fold into paper airplanes to throw out the window ...

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
2. The level of arrogance this presents to the world is incredible
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 09:39 AM
Sep 2013

"It's not a war if we don't suffer" Of course, this is exactly the same attitude that this Administration has towards the Drone attacks.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
13. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023599929
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 10:36 AM
Sep 2013

Like this Star Trek episode points out ...war should be messy and bloody ...so people avoid it at all costs. The episode has two parties at war where the hits and deaths are calculated and selected by a computer. Those selected must report to death chambers. A clean war.

Amazes me how much wisdom those old Trek's had.

jsr

(7,712 posts)
6. 4 out of 5 dentists say there is no chance of pregnancy if it's a quickie
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 10:11 AM
Sep 2013

Last edited Thu Sep 5, 2013, 11:47 AM - Edit history (1)

AllyCat

(16,152 posts)
34. Well, that just about sums up the insanity of this whole thing.
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 12:37 PM
Sep 2013

Mind if I use it when "discussing" the topic with the next moron that spouts this $hit?

Is that Code Pink in the background?

mgardener

(1,812 posts)
8. Off topic
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 10:20 AM
Sep 2013

It struck me from the above photo, that John Bohner is darker then our POTUS.
No wonder he gets no respect from other repubs.

tecelote

(5,122 posts)
10. Figures...
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 10:28 AM
Sep 2013

The only thing the Republicans will support the President on is War.

Damn our citizens but war is something they can agree on.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
11. On reflection I like the "pouty-lipped war faces"
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 10:30 AM
Sep 2013

Plus boner's war tie is to die for, almost as good as nancy's war beads of death from above.

 

HangOnKids

(4,291 posts)
18. Nancy has her waxy face of destruction on.
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 11:20 AM
Sep 2013

But she did look lovely at the SF Opera opening the other night.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
12. When they say it isn't war I ask myself if it was Syria dropping A bomb on the US would it be war?
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 10:31 AM
Sep 2013

And if we are being honest with ourselves we would have to say that yes would be the answer of the majority.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
54. If it was Syria dropping A bomb on the US, or our allies
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 09:42 AM
Sep 2013

the media and our electeds would be calling it a dirty sneak attack and an act of war.


Since it is the USA that may be the aggressor it is alright. We are the good guys.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
14. Well, Viet Nam wasn't a "war" either,
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 10:36 AM
Sep 2013

Last edited Thu Sep 5, 2013, 11:35 AM - Edit history (2)

it was a "conflict," yet 56,000+ Americans and over a million Vietnamese are still very dead. Korea wasn't a war, it was a "police action," but the "police action" dead are still as dead.

Congress hasn't declared war since WWII when we were clearly attacked by another country and, by proxy, her allies. The Constitution demands that Congress declare war but we long ago found a way around that pesky little document, didn't we?

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
16. Your definition of war or not war
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 11:16 AM
Sep 2013

is dependent on which end of missile trajectory you are on.


According to the wording of the explanation given to congress, The attacks on 9-11 were air strikes with confiscated projectiles with pre-existing collateral causalities.

CrispyQ

(36,424 posts)
21. John Kerry, I could not believe the shit I've heard from his lips recently.
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 11:23 AM
Sep 2013


There is apparently something about trips to Europe that turn American presidents into blathering foot-in-mouth idiots. Our last president popped off a real brain-bender during a trip to Poland when he told some assembled reporters that America had, in fact, found WMD in Iraq. Now we have this. Maybe it's the cabin pressure on Air Force One. Someone should probably look into that before the next president goes over and makes us all look like hopeless fools again.


Thanks for the sad smile on a totally not funny topic.
 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
22. Speaking of science, I believe that I have been transported back in time.
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 11:24 AM
Sep 2013

It is possibly an side effect of SOS Kerry's ability to bend light and reality, but I was in the present and now apparently have reappeared in the past.


Is this 2003?

pa28

(6,145 posts)
23. Reading this I'm reminded of Karl Rove's quote on "reality".
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 11:29 AM
Sep 2013

The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. "That's not the way the world really works anymore." He continued "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors ... and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."

Between Obama, Kerry and the rest of the war boosters I'm starting to think there's a bit of gap there between our objective realities. What we sometimes called "bizzarro world" during the Bush administration.

 

School Teacher

(71 posts)
29. WE HAVE SEEN THIS MOVIE BEFORE
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 12:02 PM
Sep 2013

My brother in law died in Vietnam. Our family can smell a "Let's Start a War Lie" a mile away. We can no longer trust our "leaders". They are obviously lying otherwise they would have made it possible for the UN inspectors to stay. There are too many internet rumors and factual accounts that the gas may have been released by rebels.

The consequences of bombing will be opening Pandora's Box and we won't be out of there for a decade. Just look at the photo and see how nervous these liars are, they know very well its not true! They are so out of touch in Washington and they think we are so stupid. But we have them figured out.

Stay on the phone and the net and out in the streets. Stop them in their tracks.







malthaussen

(17,175 posts)
30. "A Protective-Reaction Strike Means Not Ever Having to Say You're Sorry..."
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 12:06 PM
Sep 2013

... ya know, lots of people like to compare Mr Obama to Mr Bush. Why do I keep getting flashbacks to Mr Nixon?

Do these people seriously believe that playing games with the words changes the reality?

-- Mal

The CCC

(463 posts)
31. It's Not War, So Stop Saying That
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 12:19 PM
Sep 2013

More Bush Doctrine of Preemptive War. Because someday someone may want to attack us for us attacking them.

carolinayellowdog

(3,247 posts)
32. all three of them look like they're dishonest and about to do something wrong
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 12:20 PM
Sep 2013

Boehner has creeped me out in almost every still but Obama and Pelosi normally at least look like they're trying to do the right thing. In this shot they all look like they're leading us over a precipice, clueless.

 

Hell Hath No Fury

(16,327 posts)
38. A-fucking-men.
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 01:38 PM
Sep 2013

I had to turn the TV several times while watching liberal Democrats spout the most dishonest, nauseating lies I have perhaps ever heard.

Like the lead-up to the Iraq invasion, this is an ugly wake-up call for me.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
47. Okay, so it's not war-war
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 01:39 AM
Sep 2013

Because everyone knows, in the case of legitimate war, the, you know, the American body politic is able to shut it right down...

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