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530jonathan

(16 posts)
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 02:28 PM Sep 2013

Are you kidding me?

First of all i am a very frequent visitor of this forum but I rarely post. I am fairly conservative but have a few liberal values as well. I enjoy poking around here for a different point of view or even a laugh or two. But this Syria crap really has me going! Who would have ever guessed we would have Democrats cheering for yet another war and Republicans not? Did i wake up in a third dimension? Granted chemical weapons are atrocious but do we really know who launched them? And we are arming rebels who according to John Kerry are only 20% al qaeda? WTF is going on?? Who is pulling the strings here? Did any of you read that Saudi Arabia offered to pay for the entire mission if we were to send in troops and to Assad? Some strange times we are living in... Just thought id share

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Are you kidding me? (Original Post) 530jonathan Sep 2013 OP
Easy explanation RobertEarl Sep 2013 #1
It's not that hard to figure out. It is all partisan. People support their own team at all cost. liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #2
I hope not 530jonathan Sep 2013 #5
Strange times indeed! brush Sep 2013 #3
excactly 530jonathan Sep 2013 #4

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
2. It's not that hard to figure out. It is all partisan. People support their own team at all cost.
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 02:33 PM
Sep 2013

Republicans support republicans therefore they supported Bush going to war but don't support Obama going to war. Democrats support democrats so they didn't support Bush going to war but do support Obama going to war. It is this kind of crap that drives people away from both parties.

530jonathan

(16 posts)
5. I hope not
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 04:15 PM
Sep 2013

I wonder if it will ever end? By the polling it seems that both parties have finally gotten tired of endless wars in the middle east. Lets hope the congress critters on both sides of the aisle stand with the american people, but iv'e got my doubts...

brush

(53,771 posts)
3. Strange times indeed!
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 03:40 PM
Sep 2013

Last edited Thu Sep 5, 2013, 10:55 PM - Edit history (1)

Dems who were against Bush's wars you'd thing would also be against this Syria intervention.

Either you're anti-war or you're one of the warmongers. We as a country have to stop being the country always ready to invade, intervene, occupy, foment coups and assassinations, or bomb other countries. We've done this for the entire 20th century and even before (see the overthrow of the Hawaiian monarchy in the 1890s). We're now in the second decade of the 21st century and we already have two wars under our belt with war drums beating for a third.

We have to resist the calls to rain down missiles/bombs unto Syria, even those coming from other Dems. They are wrong and need to stop sipping the kool-aid.

It takes one courageous president to say "no" to war as a way of solving disputes between countries or within countries.

Pray that President Obama is the "one" as the Middle East has decades of turmoil coming to sort out their problems of authoritarian governments being intertwined with religion, their medieval views on women, their volatile sectarian grievances, their horrendous income inequalities and their need to become modern representative societies.

It began to happen with the Arab Spring but there will be many stops and starts and steps back and forward and revolts and the resulting civil wars before all is resolved. We as a country need to steer clear of involvement as much as possible, like we did by avoiding sending troops to Egypt and Libya.

Let's hope this president has the inner strength and personal courage to stand against the military, the arms manufacturers, their congressional puppets, the corporate media war drummers and even Democrats with 2014 and 2016 political agendas. Otherwise we're doomed to keep repeating the war/occupation/treasury-draining cycle with tons of money flowing into one-percenter pockets while the rest of us 99 percenters sink deeper and deeper into a low-wage, near-third world, service-jobs-only economy.

I have an inkling that President Obama's heart is not really into this intervention but being PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND COMMAMDER-IN-CHIEF OF EMPIRE demands continual war to keep MIC coffers full. His flipping of the script to turn the decision over to Congress, IMHO, shows that he's trying to find a way out of intervention but he has to maintain the facade of being for it.

Let's hope he has another chess move to make that will avoid yet another war.

530jonathan

(16 posts)
4. excactly
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 04:08 PM
Sep 2013

"Either you're anti-war or you're one of the warmongers. We as a country have to stop being the country always ready to invade, intervene, occupy, foment coups and assassinations, or bomb other countries. We've done this for the entire 20th century and even before (see the overthrow of the Hawaiian monarchy in the 1890s). We're now in the second decade of the 21st century and we already have two wars under our belt with war drums beating for a third. "Either you're anti-war or you're one of the warmongers. We as a country have to stop being the country always ready to invade, intervene, occupy, foment coups and assassinations, or bomb other countries. We've done this for the entire 20th century and even before (see the overthrow of the Hawaiian monarchy in the 1890s). We're now in the second decade of the 21st century and we already have two wars under our belt with war drums beating for a third.


^^This^^
We have to stop being the worlds policeman!! Don't we have enough issues here at home to solve first? And no money for them? Kinda makes me think there is some CIA plan to overthrow all arab leaders through uprisings and out of the ashes install governments that will be allies with the US. Iraq, Afghanistan, Lybia, Egypt, and now Syria. Who's next?

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