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Catherina

(35,568 posts)
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 05:36 PM Sep 2013

Syria: An Epic Tornado of Bullshit Assumptions

12:14 p.m. September 5, 2013

Syria: An Epic Tornado of Bullshit Assumptions

By David Sirota

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Not surprisingly, an aversion to constitutional fact and historical context defined this latest spectacle from the moment President Obama announced his desire to start yet another military campaign in the Middle East. As Washington quickly hooked the drums of war back up to the media's assembled amplifiers, few seemed to even notice the oxymoron of such an announcement coming a mere 72 hours after the same president pledged his loyalty to the ideals of Dr. Martin Luther King - aka the man who self-righteously derided the U.S. government as "the greatest purveyor of violence in the world."

Even fewer seemed to notice the inadvertent comedy in Obama's decision to request Congressional authorization for an attack on Syria. Despite that being a crystal clear constitutional requirement, our self-congratulatory president deemed it a "pretty big idea" - as if he sincerely believes it is a radical notion to simply follow the law.

All of that, of course, was just the beginning. As the drums now thrum louder, so many history-averse assertions and fact-free presuppositions are now swirling through the discourse that it is probably inaccurate to call the back-and-forth over Syria a "debate." This is an epic tornado of Bullshit Assumptions carrying Dorothy, Toto and the rest of us away to a militaristic Land of Oz.

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Bullshit Assumption #1: The United States and its Western allies are vehemently opposed to chemical weapons, so when Syria used chemical weapons, it crossed the West's sacrosanct "red line."


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Bullshit Assumption #2:...
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https://www.nsfwcorp.com/dispatch/syria-bullshit-tornado/f4f7bd1ae409bd4e9ecd024cd0bb81471a33a869/

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Syria: An Epic Tornado of Bullshit Assumptions (Original Post) Catherina Sep 2013 OP
Good post, thanks DJ13 Sep 2013 #1
K&R nt Mnemosyne Sep 2013 #2
Big thumbs up, thanks. truebluegreen Sep 2013 #3
This morning, Taverner said we should call it a 'Shitnado'. I failed to HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #4
#1 was sufficiently silly and ignorant that I didn't bother to read further, I'm afraid. Donald Ian Rankin Sep 2013 #5
Well aren't you a special snowflake. Maedhros Sep 2013 #7
Special Snowflake... nikto Sep 2013 #11
Which bits did I critique without reading? N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Sep 2013 #15
The parts past point #1. Maedhros Sep 2013 #17
You mean the bits I didn't say anything about? Donald Ian Rankin Sep 2013 #18
Semantics. Maedhros Sep 2013 #20
He has his magic 8 ball! HangOnKids Sep 2013 #22
Who benefits from that attack? Warren Stupidity Sep 2013 #16
HUGE K & R !!! - MUST READ STUFF !!! WillyT Sep 2013 #6
fucking bizarre maindawg Sep 2013 #8
I think Obama has been secrety replaced by a pea-pod-grown alien double, as in... nikto Sep 2013 #12
K&R MotherPetrie Sep 2013 #9
Recommend! KoKo Sep 2013 #10
K&R An Epic Tornado of Bullshit Assumptions Indeed n/t whatchamacallit Sep 2013 #13
Superb article. 99Forever Sep 2013 #14
du rec. xchrom Sep 2013 #19
Bullshit Assumption #1! He hit the nail on the head there. The sheer arrogance and lack of sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #21
More Snips...from the end of the article: KoKo Sep 2013 #23
 

HardTimes99

(2,049 posts)
4. This morning, Taverner said we should call it a 'Shitnado'. I failed to
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 07:25 PM
Sep 2013

bookmark the thread, but the more I think of it, the more I like it.

K&R.

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
5. #1 was sufficiently silly and ignorant that I didn't bother to read further, I'm afraid.
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 07:41 PM
Sep 2013

It a) ridiculously downplays the probability that the Assad regime was behind the Sarin attacks, and b) cites as examples of chemical weapons useage things that simply weren't, suggesting that they don't actually know what the legal definition of chemical weapons is.

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
18. You mean the bits I didn't say anything about?
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 12:52 PM
Sep 2013

If by "critique" you mean "not say anything about" then yes, I consider myself qualified to critique things I haven't read.

But I think you'll find that's not the traditional usage...

 

HangOnKids

(4,291 posts)
22. He has his magic 8 ball!
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 01:29 PM
Sep 2013

To hell with reading the piece. Ian has his shit going on.....better than the rest of us. Didn't you get the memo?

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
16. Who benefits from that attack?
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 07:24 AM
Sep 2013

Or to rephrase the question, given the public announcement earlier this summer by the Obama administration that a chemical weapons attack would trigger a us military response, which side in the internal conflict stood to gain from triggering this attack, and which side put its existence at risk?

Why would the Assad regime do this when they were, by all accounts, winning the civil war?

 

maindawg

(1,151 posts)
8. fucking bizarre
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 08:31 PM
Sep 2013

Obama is pushing war all of a sudden. am I living in bizarro land ? What the fuck is happening ?

edit; and he is at the G20 where everyone is like, no man,its not cool', and hes walking around all like, lets get crazy'? Really, that is happening? Right now. I feel like when I found out my wife was fucking some other dude.

 

nikto

(3,284 posts)
12. I think Obama has been secrety replaced by a pea-pod-grown alien double, as in...
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 09:40 PM
Sep 2013

Invasion Of The Body Snatchers.


You're Next!

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
21. Bullshit Assumption #1! He hit the nail on the head there. The sheer arrogance and lack of
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 01:26 PM
Sep 2013

self awareness of our leaders to even imagine the world wouldn't notice OUR war crimes if we pointed fingers at someone else's.

Good article

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
23. More Snips...from the end of the article:
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 02:30 PM
Sep 2013
Words like "surgical," "limited," "targeted" and "precision" are the preferred newspeak of the 21st century. They are crafted to both mislead a war-weary public and pretend "shock and awe" isn't more accurately titled "blood and guts." This week, these terms are everywhere, and for a specific reason: they are designed to remove the corpsy smell of the Iraq debacle from the Syria proposal and every future plan for a Mideast invasion.

When the architect of the Syria strike blueprint says the plan will not work and when Obama himself admits that "we cannot resolve the underlying conflict in Syria with our military" it is a sign that the proposal to attack Syria is being driven by other forces than those being publicly acknowledged. The aforementioned assumptions - and the many others at work - are tailored to avoid revealing what exactly those forces are.

As noted, some of it probably has to do with the defense budget. No doubt, some of it also has to do with oil and the attendant Great Game in the Middle East. And some of it has to do with American neoconservatives' ongoing dream of a war with Iran.

You may agree with those motives. You may disagree with them. That's not the point. What matters here is that before anyone can hope to have an informed position on what to do about Syria, we need to shovel away the bullshit. Only then can we have any idea what a military confrontation with Syria is actually all about - and whether such a confrontation is really just a proxy war for something else.
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