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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMr. Kerry - resign.
Syria is being used in the USA to further imperialistic and violent policies that you spoke against, sincerely and often.
Have you shackled your sensibilities, morals, and dignity to reach this level of belief in America's position as the worlds police?
Or have you buried them altogether, and changed the fundamental person we know/knew?
You can make the statement of your lifetime to reinforce the image of America that you put forth. As a soldier in Vietnam, and as a Senator for our great state of Massachusetts.
You know the right thing to do. Do it.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)You know - the dude who told us all in 2007 that our government wanted to destabilize the Middle East
It turns out the chaos in the Middle East is happening by design. Having already used Al-Qaeda to destabilize Libya, they're now in Syria with the same mission, set up a Central Bank to control the country's currency and resources. Iran is next.
Gen. Wesley actually laid out the plan back in 2007 at the Commonwealth Club in San Francisco. He tells a story of speaking with an officer from the Joint Staff and how the officer himself was baffled at the idea of attacking Iraq days after 9/11. He goes on to detail a separate meeting with the same officer only this time he reveals a 5 year plan. A plan to 'take out' 7 governments in 5 years, Sudan, Lebanon, Somalia, Iraq, Libya, Syria, and Iran.
http://www.examiner.com/article/gen-wesley-clark-predicted-the-conflict-the-middle-east
But, this is quite possibly WHY Clark has never been tapped to serve as either SOS or Def Sec.
JI7
(89,247 posts)karynnj
(59,503 posts)There is NO information that suggests that Clark is close to anyone in Obama's inner circle. This is not to criticize Clark, who I respect, but I think there were things said in 2008 when he supported Hillary that would make him an unlikely Obama pick.
Not to mention, Clark - or anyone else would have to advocate for Obama's position - just like Kerry.
I think that you need to consider successes that Kerry has had - like restarting the Israel/Palestine talks and being involved in reconciling Turkey and Israel. In addition, he seems to have helped the relations with Pakistan and his visit was slightly before they overturned the conviction of the doctor who helped us get OBL - may be coincidence, but maybe not. What did happen was that the new President respects and likes him - not something many Americans have. (He also is good with India - which might be important in that area - as an assistant to Holbrooke noted.)
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Obama's picks have been mostly sucky.
Hekate
(90,656 posts)jessie04
(1,528 posts)nt
bluedeathray
(511 posts)But adopting the double talk of the Capitol Hill rulers, and seriously putting forth that America should follow this path for that reason, while inflicting death on Syrians in a "non-warlike" fashion, shows where his intellect lies.
And where his heart has shriveled. IMHO
The one rationale I'm using to justify any of this is that BHO & staff have access to tons more data than we do. And are somehow making the right call.
chimpymustgo
(12,774 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,815 posts)Hekate
(90,656 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)we are currently working on a vaccine...in the meantime...use safe text.
jessie04
(1,528 posts)karynnj
(59,503 posts)Why not admit that you never liked Kerry - being a huge Edwards fan.
chimpymustgo
(12,774 posts)I supported that ticket strongly. Sadly, both Kerry and Edwards turned out to be huge duds. Slimeball Edwards lied about his affair and paternity - but PNAC'er-come-lately Kerry is lying about leading his country into war - sacrificing LIVES for some power-hungry, global domination bankster bullshit.
How you can defend that is beyond me.
karynnj
(59,503 posts)I am also concerned with ignoring a blatant Chemical weapons attack. I wish the international community were at least debating it, but that is not happening - and the UN is paralyzed on this due to the Russian veto.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,815 posts)VanillaRhapsody for the win with for showing common sense!
quinnox
(20,600 posts)I'm not sure that would ultimately change much in terms of the current Syrian policy, but it is sad to see a great man like Kerry reduced to a Colin Powell-like salesman role.
karynnj
(59,503 posts)I think is basic goal here is still the same - a political solution. He does believe that it is important to say that CW is not acceptable. I wish that the international community was even really debating what should be done if a country is proven to have used chemical weapons. It isn't.
Kerry is for peace - and for a just world. As such, he is not a pacifist in all situations.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)But you knew that.
Marr
(20,317 posts)with this sort of thing. I've no doubt he believes it will serve the greater good, too-- just as Dick Cheney does.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)pounding away frantically on their keyboards.
Cha
(297,156 posts)As if he would.
JustAnotherGen
(31,815 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)babylonsister
(171,057 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)graywarrior
(59,440 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,370 posts)TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)RC
(25,592 posts)When the Republicans are on board, you just gotta know something is wrong.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)RC
(25,592 posts)Well in that case what is everyone so worked up about? Congress will vote against this.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)RC
(25,592 posts)It is their civil war, caused in part by our meddling in the Middle East. This is just more meddling. Here, Al Qaeda is our friend, while we fight them elsewhere?
We have no business in Syria, except for humanitarian aid for the refugees that that came from Iraq, when we illegally invaded Iraq under false pretenses and outright lies.
History is a continuum. Nothing happens in a vacuum. Syria has been in the works for around 40 years. It finally came to the top of the list.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)You made a funny.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)PCIntern
(25,541 posts)but look at the OP's screen name and what he is saying here...you can say what you want, but when I started here in 2004, the last thing I would have suggested when I was a Newbie would be the resignation of significant Democrats.
I mean WTF!!!?
Hekate
(90,656 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)they are not friends of Democrats...they just like to swoop in when Democrats are angry at there side...the anarchists claim common cause and then try to insinuate their way in. I think they take lessons from the Mormons or the Jehovahs Witnesses. It's just Phishing for converts...
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)And then proceed to tell significant Democratic administration officials to resign.
Funny how that works.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)group that have come here because they smell blood in the water...Notice how many of them have Anarchist symbols or names...they don't even try to hide it. They are the Leftwings Libertarians..
JI7
(89,247 posts)after being banned
Hekate
(90,656 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
global1
(25,242 posts)policies or to gain more control in the ME because of oil and this is an extension of PNAC like many here are saying - I then ask the question as to who would be a better person than John Kerry to carry this plan out?
As a soldier in Vietnam who spoke to Congress about the war and as a Senator of the Great State of Massachusetts and a former Democratic Presidential Candidate - who has more credibility and might be able to convince the American Public to go along with it.
Maybe it's no surprise that Hillary Clinton stepped down as SOS and Kerry was put in as SOS.
If this was the plan all along - than Kerry has more credibility in carrying it out versus Hillary and pulling the wool over our eyes.
lamp_shade
(14,828 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,681 posts)David__77
(23,372 posts)There would be no point.
Response to bluedeathray (Original post)
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ProSense
(116,464 posts)works for the President, and he is making a case he supports on behalf of the President
President Barack Obama called a bipartisan group of five senators on Wednesday as part of "continued engagement with members of Congress on Syria," according to Deputy National Security Advisor Ben Rhodes.
Obama said Wednesday at a press conference in Stockholm, Sweden that he believes lawmakers will ultimately approve a resolution allowing him to move forward with limited strikes against Syria, although he does not believe he was required to consult Congress on the matter.
TPM is keeping track of where members of Congress stand on the Syrian intervention vote.
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/obama-makes-calls-to-lobby-senators-on-syria
White House Presses Case On Syria On New Website
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023605935
The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)in the myth of the Arab Spring too.
babylonsister
(171,057 posts)who has given more to this country than you or I will ever do. Keyboard warriors indeed.
The Link
(757 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Like foreign government and not foreign thoughts. If Kerry should resign just because you do not agree with him 100% then this is not a good reason.
sheshe2
(83,746 posts)Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)this shit was planned.