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bluedeathray

(511 posts)
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 06:00 PM Sep 2013

Mr. Kerry - resign.

Syria is being used in the USA to further imperialistic and violent policies that you spoke against, sincerely and often.

Have you shackled your sensibilities, morals, and dignity to reach this level of belief in America's position as the worlds police?

Or have you buried them altogether, and changed the fundamental person we know/knew?

You can make the statement of your lifetime to reinforce the image of America that you put forth. As a soldier in Vietnam, and as a Senator for our great state of Massachusetts.

You know the right thing to do. Do it.

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Mr. Kerry - resign. (Original Post) bluedeathray Sep 2013 OP
Serious question, who should take his place? Who would take his place? uppityperson Sep 2013 #1
Retired Gen. Wes Clark Fawke Em Sep 2013 #6
Clark supports what Obama is doing right now, Obama wasn't President in 2007 JI7 Sep 2013 #11
Clark was not on the shorty list in 2008 or 2012, why do you think he will be picked karynnj Sep 2013 #59
I know he wan't, but, let's face it... Fawke Em Sep 2013 #67
Mr. Kerry, please stay. You have brains, experience, and heart. Hekate Sep 2013 #2
Damn straight. jessie04 Sep 2013 #4
Brains and experience yes... bluedeathray Sep 2013 #7
Kerry lies like Dick Cheney. chimpymustgo Sep 2013 #8
What utter nonsense. n/t ProSense Sep 2013 #12
+1 JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #26
Mission Accomplished: utter inability to distinguish not-Cheney from Cheney. Hekate Sep 2013 #17
don't worry...just another symptom of ODS.. VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #50
Why on earth would you say that? jessie04 Sep 2013 #46
Kerry is an honest person - karynnj Sep 2013 #60
Now, see that's a false assumption, and a really lame effort to deflect from Kerry's lies. chimpymustgo Sep 2013 #62
Kerry is not PNAC karynnj Sep 2013 #65
I agree...100% VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #21
Amen JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #29
+1 sheshe2 Sep 2013 #41
I understand the sentiment quinnox Sep 2013 #3
This assumes that Kerry is not genuinely repulsed by the use of chemical weapons karynnj Sep 2013 #61
As a symbolic gesture? That would say a great deal...don't hold your breath. Jefferson23 Sep 2013 #5
He wouldn't have passed through the presidential candidate filter if he wasn't thoroughly on board Marr Sep 2013 #9
Mr. Kerry...please don't listen to anonymous posters on the interwebz Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #10
lol and thank you! Cha Sep 2013 #19
+1 JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #28
Thread Winner. Number23 Sep 2013 #49
Yay! Agreed! babylonsister Sep 2013 #52
Kerry is a good man and should NOT resign! hrmjustin Sep 2013 #13
FFS graywarrior Sep 2013 #14
Risible BeyondGeography Sep 2013 #15
Oh fer the love of... Really? TwilightGardener Sep 2013 #16
beyond stupid. nt seabeyond Sep 2013 #18
Resign. And make the whole administration do the same (nt) bigwillq Sep 2013 #20
So we can be overthrown by Teabaggers? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #22
What is the differance between the Tea-baggers and the way the Administration is going about this? RC Sep 2013 #37
Ummm....most Republican teabaggers are going to vote against use of force in Syria. Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #38
Really? You know that? RC Sep 2013 #64
If you cannot tell the difference....its a sure fire sign you have contracted ODS. VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #51
Actually, no I haven't. I'm not the one that thinks killing people for fun and profit RC Sep 2013 #63
Or real Dems (nt) bigwillq Sep 2013 #43
LOL Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #30
I diz. bigwillq Sep 2013 #42
WTF??? I know you aren''t supposed to mention certain things PCIntern Sep 2013 #23
Yup. But see how many new "friends" he just acquired, too. Hekate Sep 2013 #24
Yeah if you call the Anarchists your friend....you got big problems! VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #54
True...register to post on a Democratic message board Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #33
I keep saying Cali...we are currently being infiltrated by the Anarchists...they have a coordinated VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #57
maybe they aren't really new but came back under a different name JI7 Sep 2013 #34
Resurrection is known to be a religious experience Hekate Sep 2013 #36
It's certainly possible... SidDithers Sep 2013 #45
If This Syria Thing Is Really Being Used In The USA To Further Imperialistic And Violent.... global1 Sep 2013 #25
OP understandably feels comfortable posting this kind of crap on DU. Just look around. n/t lamp_shade Sep 2013 #27
Jeez. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2013 #31
I would be pleased if he resigned, but don't call for it. David__77 Sep 2013 #32
Post removed Post removed Sep 2013 #35
This is beyond silly. Kerry ProSense Sep 2013 #39
Kerry makes this whole Syria problem out to be as simple as he appears to be. He still believes The_Casual_Observer Sep 2013 #40
Now he's 'simple'? What an insult to a man babylonsister Sep 2013 #55
Kerry is doing what his boss tells him to do. The Link Sep 2013 #44
Would a better person to be SOS be Palin or Paul? SOS needs some foreign experience Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #47
%$##@@$&&?! sheshe2 Sep 2013 #48
You know, the push to have Kerry in there seems so obvious now. Puzzledtraveller Sep 2013 #53
Because Susan Rice would be arguing against Obama's case? n/t ProSense Sep 2013 #56
Who are you really...come on be honest...kgb or asshole? KelleyD Sep 2013 #58
Mr. Assad should be the one resigning Lifelong Dem Sep 2013 #66

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
6. Retired Gen. Wes Clark
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 06:08 PM
Sep 2013

You know - the dude who told us all in 2007 that our government wanted to destabilize the Middle East

It turns out the chaos in the Middle East is happening by design. Having already used Al-Qaeda to destabilize Libya, they're now in Syria with the same mission, set up a Central Bank to control the country's currency and resources. Iran is next.

Gen. Wesley actually laid out the plan back in 2007 at the Commonwealth Club in San Francisco. He tells a story of speaking with an officer from the Joint Staff and how the officer himself was baffled at the idea of attacking Iraq days after 9/11. He goes on to detail a separate meeting with the same officer only this time he reveals a 5 year plan. A plan to 'take out' 7 governments in 5 years, Sudan, Lebanon, Somalia, Iraq, Libya, Syria, and Iran.


http://www.examiner.com/article/gen-wesley-clark-predicted-the-conflict-the-middle-east

But, this is quite possibly WHY Clark has never been tapped to serve as either SOS or Def Sec.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
59. Clark was not on the shorty list in 2008 or 2012, why do you think he will be picked
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 08:38 PM
Sep 2013

There is NO information that suggests that Clark is close to anyone in Obama's inner circle. This is not to criticize Clark, who I respect, but I think there were things said in 2008 when he supported Hillary that would make him an unlikely Obama pick.

Not to mention, Clark - or anyone else would have to advocate for Obama's position - just like Kerry.

I think that you need to consider successes that Kerry has had - like restarting the Israel/Palestine talks and being involved in reconciling Turkey and Israel. In addition, he seems to have helped the relations with Pakistan and his visit was slightly before they overturned the conviction of the doctor who helped us get OBL - may be coincidence, but maybe not. What did happen was that the new President respects and likes him - not something many Americans have. (He also is good with India - which might be important in that area - as an assistant to Holbrooke noted.)

bluedeathray

(511 posts)
7. Brains and experience yes...
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 06:09 PM
Sep 2013

But adopting the double talk of the Capitol Hill rulers, and seriously putting forth that America should follow this path for that reason, while inflicting death on Syrians in a "non-warlike" fashion, shows where his intellect lies.

And where his heart has shriveled. IMHO

The one rationale I'm using to justify any of this is that BHO & staff have access to tons more data than we do. And are somehow making the right call.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
50. don't worry...just another symptom of ODS..
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 08:15 PM
Sep 2013

we are currently working on a vaccine...in the meantime...use safe text.

chimpymustgo

(12,774 posts)
62. Now, see that's a false assumption, and a really lame effort to deflect from Kerry's lies.
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 08:50 PM
Sep 2013

I supported that ticket strongly. Sadly, both Kerry and Edwards turned out to be huge duds. Slimeball Edwards lied about his affair and paternity - but PNAC'er-come-lately Kerry is lying about leading his country into war - sacrificing LIVES for some power-hungry, global domination bankster bullshit.

How you can defend that is beyond me.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
65. Kerry is not PNAC
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 09:44 PM
Sep 2013

I am also concerned with ignoring a blatant Chemical weapons attack. I wish the international community were at least debating it, but that is not happening - and the UN is paralyzed on this due to the Russian veto.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
3. I understand the sentiment
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 06:04 PM
Sep 2013

I'm not sure that would ultimately change much in terms of the current Syrian policy, but it is sad to see a great man like Kerry reduced to a Colin Powell-like salesman role.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
61. This assumes that Kerry is not genuinely repulsed by the use of chemical weapons
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 08:46 PM
Sep 2013

I think is basic goal here is still the same - a political solution. He does believe that it is important to say that CW is not acceptable. I wish that the international community was even really debating what should be done if a country is proven to have used chemical weapons. It isn't.

Kerry is for peace - and for a just world. As such, he is not a pacifist in all situations.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
9. He wouldn't have passed through the presidential candidate filter if he wasn't thoroughly on board
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 06:10 PM
Sep 2013

with this sort of thing. I've no doubt he believes it will serve the greater good, too-- just as Dick Cheney does.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
10. Mr. Kerry...please don't listen to anonymous posters on the interwebz
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 06:11 PM
Sep 2013

pounding away frantically on their keyboards.

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
37. What is the differance between the Tea-baggers and the way the Administration is going about this?
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 07:30 PM
Sep 2013

When the Republicans are on board, you just gotta know something is wrong.

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
64. Really? You know that?
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 09:14 PM
Sep 2013

Well in that case what is everyone so worked up about? Congress will vote against this.

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
63. Actually, no I haven't. I'm not the one that thinks killing people for fun and profit
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 09:12 PM
Sep 2013
in yet another war, is somehow a good thing.
It is their civil war, caused in part by our meddling in the Middle East. This is just more meddling. Here, Al Qaeda is our friend, while we fight them elsewhere?
We have no business in Syria, except for humanitarian aid for the refugees that that came from Iraq, when we illegally invaded Iraq under false pretenses and outright lies.
History is a continuum. Nothing happens in a vacuum. Syria has been in the works for around 40 years. It finally came to the top of the list.

PCIntern

(25,541 posts)
23. WTF??? I know you aren''t supposed to mention certain things
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 07:08 PM
Sep 2013

but look at the OP's screen name and what he is saying here...you can say what you want, but when I started here in 2004, the last thing I would have suggested when I was a Newbie would be the resignation of significant Democrats.

I mean WTF!!!?

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
54. Yeah if you call the Anarchists your friend....you got big problems!
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 08:20 PM
Sep 2013

they are not friends of Democrats...they just like to swoop in when Democrats are angry at there side...the anarchists claim common cause and then try to insinuate their way in. I think they take lessons from the Mormons or the Jehovahs Witnesses. It's just Phishing for converts...

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
33. True...register to post on a Democratic message board
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 07:19 PM
Sep 2013

And then proceed to tell significant Democratic administration officials to resign.

Funny how that works.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
57. I keep saying Cali...we are currently being infiltrated by the Anarchists...they have a coordinated
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 08:21 PM
Sep 2013

group that have come here because they smell blood in the water...Notice how many of them have Anarchist symbols or names...they don't even try to hide it. They are the Leftwings Libertarians..

global1

(25,242 posts)
25. If This Syria Thing Is Really Being Used In The USA To Further Imperialistic And Violent....
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 07:13 PM
Sep 2013

policies or to gain more control in the ME because of oil and this is an extension of PNAC like many here are saying - I then ask the question as to who would be a better person than John Kerry to carry this plan out?

As a soldier in Vietnam who spoke to Congress about the war and as a Senator of the Great State of Massachusetts and a former Democratic Presidential Candidate - who has more credibility and might be able to convince the American Public to go along with it.

Maybe it's no surprise that Hillary Clinton stepped down as SOS and Kerry was put in as SOS.

If this was the plan all along - than Kerry has more credibility in carrying it out versus Hillary and pulling the wool over our eyes.

Response to bluedeathray (Original post)

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
39. This is beyond silly. Kerry
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 07:37 PM
Sep 2013

works for the President, and he is making a case he supports on behalf of the President

Obama Makes Calls To Senators On Syria During Overseas Trip

President Barack Obama called a bipartisan group of five senators on Wednesday as part of "continued engagement with members of Congress on Syria," according to Deputy National Security Advisor Ben Rhodes.

Obama said Wednesday at a press conference in Stockholm, Sweden that he believes lawmakers will ultimately approve a resolution allowing him to move forward with limited strikes against Syria, although he does not believe he was required to consult Congress on the matter.

TPM is keeping track of where members of Congress stand on the Syrian intervention vote.

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/obama-makes-calls-to-lobby-senators-on-syria

White House Presses Case On Syria On New Website
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023605935
 

The_Casual_Observer

(27,742 posts)
40. Kerry makes this whole Syria problem out to be as simple as he appears to be. He still believes
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 07:38 PM
Sep 2013

in the myth of the Arab Spring too.

babylonsister

(171,057 posts)
55. Now he's 'simple'? What an insult to a man
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 08:20 PM
Sep 2013

who has given more to this country than you or I will ever do. Keyboard warriors indeed.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
47. Would a better person to be SOS be Palin or Paul? SOS needs some foreign experience
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 07:44 PM
Sep 2013

Like foreign government and not foreign thoughts. If Kerry should resign just because you do not agree with him 100% then this is not a good reason.

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