Kerry said it - we're going to attack Syria for US credibility

[malaise]

What fucking credibility? Get out of your fugging bubble - Bush destroyed that ages ago and the drones aren't helping and neither is the spying.

[David__77]

1. NO WAR FOR EGO!

They'll never be forgiven if they go through with this thing.

[idwiyo]

2. Don't forget lying. Lying through the clenched teeth, when majority knows you are lying..

[cali]

3. His performance over the past few days has been shameful and despicable

Fuck John Kerry.

[dipsydoodle]

4. Rec'd for posting.

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[SamKnause]

5. Kerry

He certainly is good at fear mongering and slinging the war propaganda.

Sad to see and hear.

P.S. Don't forget that war propaganda became legal in July of this year (2013). They certainly didn't waste anytime initiating their new found tool.

The U.S. has zero credibility. It has not seen it's moral compass in decades. The more I research and learn about my country, the more I realize from it's inception the U.S. has never been what it advertised itself to be.

[newfie11]

9. Yeah it's quite a wake up call isn't it

What's taught for history in school leave a shitload out.

[GeorgeGist]

6. We are the biggest bully ...

on the block.

Now STFU and watch this cluster bomb.

[Ghost Dog]

7. That talking-point comes from this kind of source?

Last edited Fri Sep 6, 2013, 08:11 AM - Edit history (3)

... "The Syria issue needs to be largely understood through the context of Iran," said Michael Makovsky, the director of the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA), as he unveiled his organizations's latest report, "Strategy to Prevent a Nuclear Iran", here on Wednesday.

"Stopping a nuclear-capable Iran is the gravest, most pressing national security threat facing the United States today," he added, quoting from the introduction of the report, the product of a task force that included several former George W Bush administration officials, several retired flag officers, and Ambassador Dennis Ross, who served as Obama's top adviser on Iran for most of his first term.

&quot I)f there isn't a (congressional) response to the crossing of the red line (against the use of chemical weapons), the Iranians will draw the lesson that when we create red lines, we don't mean it," Ross said.

"So when the administration makes it clear that prevention (of Iran's acquisition of a nuclear weapon) is the objective, (the failure to act on Syria) will make it look more rhetorical than real," according to Ross, who currently serves as counselor to the Washington Institute for Near East Policy (WINEP), a pro-Israel think tank...

/... http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MID-01-050913.html

--> See also the following, which has apparently been scrubbed from Haaretz's site but which is still present in Google's cache:

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A high-level Israeli delegation headed by National Security Adviser Yaakov Amidror arrived in Washington on Monday (Aug 26) for political and security talks with senior U.S. officials. The meeting was planned a few weeks ago, but gained special importance and urgency in light of events in Syria and U.S. preparations for a possible attack there...


... In addition to the Syrian issue, the talks were expected to focus on the Iranian nuclear program and preparations by the U.S. and the other five world powers to begin a dialogue with Iran over the coming weeks. In addition, the talks will address the involvement of Iran and Hezbollah in the Syrian crisis.

A senior Israeli official said Amidror was joined by Maj. Gen. (res.) Amos Gilad, head of the diplomatic security department at the Defense Ministry; Nimrod Shefer, head of the Israel Defense Forces planning department; Itai Baron, head of the research division in Military Intelligence; Jeremy Issacharoff, head of the strategy department in the Foreign Ministry, and senior officials from the Shin Bet. Israel’s Ambassador to Washington Michael Oren, soon to retire from his position, will also join the talks.

On the American side, the talks are coordinated by National Security Adviser Susan Rice. She will be joined by senior officials from the White House National Security Council, State Department, Pentagon and the U.S. intelligence community. U.S. Ambassador to Israel Dan Shapiro also arrived in Washington to take part in the diplomatic-security dialogue...

/... http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ya8iKHPovXMJ:www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.543657+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk

[Little Star]

8. He's as good being for a war, as he was being against one. Unbelievable.

[MissDeeds]

24. I've been thinking that all week

The young John Kerry who was an impassioned anti-war Viet Nam vet would be appalled. Kerry has committed a flip-flop of historic proportion. He has abandoned his values and sold his soul.

[Little Star]

26. It's sad to watch. Never thought I'd see the day.

[durablend]

27. Take both sides of the issue so you're never wrong!

Ingenious!

[pinboy3niner]

10. U.S. credibility can be damaged far more by going half-cocked into a strike, nt

[liberal N proud]

11. The United State credibility or The President and Mr Kerry's credibility?

Which is it really?

[malaise]

12. Who knows at this point?

[Scuba]

13. My red line ...

[ctsnowman]

14. The day

he lost the 04 election was when he stood at the grand canyon and said he didn't regret giving Bush his Iraq AUMF vote. I believe that it was even plainly spoken to him that "knowing what you know now" and he still stood by it. I went on to vote for him in the end but his poll numbers were never the same after that.

[karynnj]

19. Kerry never said "knowing what I know now"

That was the media superimposing a rhetorical Bush question on to Kerry defending why he voted as he had many many times. Here is the Daily Howler from that time outlining what the media - which also condoned character assassination of both John and Teresa Kerry did. http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh081204.shtml

Not to mention, this did not change the poll numbers that fell during the Republican convention when the media did not call out the purple heart bandaids but did change their previously positive opinion on Kerry's convention while praisiing as "strong" Bush's mean one. Still, the polls did change because of Kerry's excellent debates and hewas pulling into the lead in the last week until the OBL tape appeared. Still, they has to suppress the vote to win.

[ctsnowman]

22. The reporter framed it that way. And I watched it live.

Whatever you believe you believe but I am not buying it. I don't believe Kerry got a fair shake on a lot of things (hell even Al Michaels jumped on him on MNF) but I don't believe he apologized for letting a dog like Bush off the leash period.

Here's a quote from the site you sent:

"Basically what Kerry has said, correct me if I'm wrong, is, Look, I would have wanted the authority if I'd been president. That's why I voted to grant this authority to go to war to the president...But he said he would have used it differently. He would have used it to as more of a lever for diplomacy. He would have used it to bring more allies aboard. He would have used it to as a threat behind inspections, to leave them going longer."

That's some weak tea right there. Defend it all you want but Iraq was the biggest mistake of our era and EVERYONE who enabled it should have came out and admitted it was flat out wrong
and they were wrong for letting Bush do it. Many of us knew Bush couldn't be trusted with that power... why didn't Kerry.

[karynnj]

23. The reporter who actually asked the question was NOT recorded

In various news reports, an in studio reporter framed the question to be the Bush question AND Kerry's answer to an unheard question was was then played. Note that WITHIN his answer, he says " He would have used it to as a threat behind inspections, to leave them going longer." That is the give away that Kerry was NOT answering what he would do if he knew there were no WMD. His IWR speech includes the same comments.

Kerry did say his vote was wrong in 2005 - before Edwards and before Clinton. He repeated that in 2006 at Take Back America - and called the war immoral.

[ctsnowman]

25. The inspectors were pulled to start the bombing

again if a Senator couldn't see through Bush I have doubts about that person. I saw what I saw and no amount of spin is going to change it.

Well just have to agree to disagree, the last word is all yours.

Peace.

[karynnj]

30. The inspectors were pulled in March 2003 - the vote was in November 2002

On January 23, 2003 at Georgetown University, Kerry gave a speech that was reported using his words - "Do not rush to war". He called on Bush to let the inspectors complete their work, exhaust diplomacy and said that if he didn't it was not a war of last resort.

When the vote happened the inspectors had not been there for 4 years when they left when Clinton asked them to before he bombed Iraq.

[Rebellious Republican]

15. John Kerry says we need street creds, gettin all Gucci Mane on us nice try Mr. Kerry it aint workin.

[hobbit709]

16. He's Secretary of STATE, not WAR.

Evidently he has confused the two.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

18. State OF war, maybe?

[florida08]

17. Spot on

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/14/opinion/how-drones-help-al-qaeda.html?_r=1&

This was written by a young man in his 20's who recently died.

[KG]

20. Kerry LOL n/t

[pampango]

21. Credibility is important both with threats and promises whether you are a parent or a president,

but you also have to know when to follow through on a threat or promise and when to back away - as gracefully as you can.

I have often made threats or promises to my son which at the time seemed like a good idea. If it later turned out that my threat/promise was unrealistic (OK downright stupid sometimes), I had to figure whether maintaining my 'credibility' was more important than doing the mature, good-parent thing. I would like to say that I always did the mature thing and backed away from my most ridiculous threats/promises, but ... Well, let me just say that I hope Obama is more mature about backing away from his threat than I was at times.

[Little Star]

28. It didn't take me long to learn that lesson when I had young ones!

[malaise]

31. Very well said

[muriel_volestrangler]

29. Charles Pierce suggests we have the name: Operation Infinite Credibility

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/Bombs_Not_Food

[GeorgeGist]

32. US Selling Cluster Bombs Worth $641 million to Saudi Arabia

[Lizzie Poppet]

33. That's right up there with "fucking for virginity."

In terms of taking an action that's directly counterproductive to the stated aim, that is...