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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 09:06 AM Sep 2013

Latest Snowden Revelation: NSA Sabotaged Electronic Locks

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2013/09/06-2

The latest Edward Snowden-powered exposé published by the New York Times, ProPublica and the Guardian is, to me, the most frightening. It reveals that the National Security Agency has moved beyond its historic role as a code-breaker to become a saboteur of the encryption systems. Its work has allegedly weakened the scrambling not just of terrorists' emails but also bank transactions, medical records and communications among coworkers.

Here's the money graf:

"The NSA hacked into target computers to snare messages before they were encrypted. And the agency used its influence as the world’s most experienced code maker to covertly introduce weaknesses into the encryption standards followed by hardware and software developers around the world."

I'd be disappointed if the NSA hadn't figured out how to do that hacking trick. But adding vulnerabilities to standard encryption techniques? That's just making the job easier for hackers to make sense of the scrambled data they steal.

The outrage is still pouring in from various advocacy groups. Here's a succinct condemnation by the Center on Democracy and Technology, one of the more centrist of these organizations:

"These revelations demonstrate a fundamental attack on the way the Internet works," senior staff technologist Joseph Lorenzo Hall wrote in a statement. "In an era in which businesses, as well as the average consumer, trust secure networks and technologies for sensitive transactions and private communications online, it’s incredibly destructive for the NSA to add flaws to such critical infrastructure. The NSA seems to be operating on the fantastically naïve assumption that any vulnerabilities it builds into core Internet technologies can only be exploited by itself and its global partners."
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RC

(25,592 posts)
2. The NSA needs to be dismantled down to its component parts and the physical pieces given to worthy
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 09:27 AM
Sep 2013

non-profits, who then could use them to help the "We the people..." mentioned in passing in the constitution.

Agencies such as the NSA fosters an unneeded, sick paranoia, the feeds on itself to grow ever larger. If those in power didn't see everyone else, near and far, as the enemy, we would not need the alphabet soup of all our ever growing, spy agencies and their Total information, all the time, mentality. More money wasted that could have been used to help people, instead the careers of paranoid, authoritarian, sociopaths running the shows.

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
4. The NSA is not naive
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 10:18 AM
Sep 2013

They simply don't care if anyone else can crack private communications so long as they can.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
6. And not a single question is raised about whether these computers hacked into belonged to suspects.
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 11:23 AM
Sep 2013

Or if the hacking was done at the behest of warrants. Nothing to address the point that the NSA can only target foreign networks and individuals, not American citizens.

We're all supposed to magically fall in line to express outrage without asking basic journalistic questions.
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deurbano

(2,894 posts)
10. In the OP, the outrage is about something else:
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 12:23 PM
Sep 2013

<<..."And the agency used its influence as the world’s most experienced code maker to covertly introduce weaknesses into the encryption standards followed by hardware and software developers around the world."

I'd be disappointed if the NSA hadn't figured out how to do that hacking trick. But adding vulnerabilities to standard encryption techniques? That's just making the job easier for hackers to make sense of the scrambled data they steal.

The outrage is still pouring in from various advocacy groups. Here's a succinct condemnation by the Center on Democracy and Technology, one of the more centrist of these organizations:

"These revelations demonstrate a fundamental attack on the way the Internet works," senior staff technologist Joseph Lorenzo Hall wrote in a statement. "In an era in which businesses, as well as the average consumer, trust secure networks and technologies for sensitive transactions and private communications online, it’s incredibly destructive for the NSA to add flaws to such critical infrastructure. The NSA seems to be operating on the fantastically naïve assumption that any vulnerabilities it builds into core Internet technologies can only be exploited by itself and its global partners."

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
8. Does anyone seriously think that the Chinese, Russians, Germans, French --
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 11:27 AM
Sep 2013

anyone with the technical know-how -- isn't trying to accomplish or hasn't accomplished the same thing? Are we so special that only the NSA could figure this out?

deurbano

(2,894 posts)
12. Seems like the NSA is making it easier for hackers of all persuasions:
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 12:27 PM
Sep 2013

<<..."And the agency used its influence as the world’s most experienced code maker to covertly introduce weaknesses into the encryption standards followed by hardware and software developers around the world."

I'd be disappointed if the NSA hadn't figured out how to do that hacking trick. But adding vulnerabilities to standard encryption techniques? That's just making the job easier for hackers to make sense of the scrambled data they steal.


The outrage is still pouring in from various advocacy groups. Here's a succinct condemnation by the Center on Democracy and Technology, one of the more centrist of these organizations:

... "In an era in which businesses, as well as the average consumer, trust secure networks and technologies for sensitive transactions and private communications online, it’s incredibly destructive for the NSA to add flaws to such critical infrastructure. The NSA seems to be operating on the fantastically naïve assumption that any vulnerabilities it builds into core Internet technologies can only be exploited by itself and its global partners.">>

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
13. Yes, assuming that only they can exploit the vulnerabilities is a fantastically stupid assumption.
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 12:43 PM
Sep 2013

deurbano

(2,894 posts)
14. Yes, that's the main outrage in this particular OP-- that the NSA is creating the vulnerabilities...
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 01:04 PM
Sep 2013

which is actually making it easier for others ("friend" or "foe".... or whatever) to exploit, too:

"And the agency used its influence as the world’s most experienced code maker to covertly introduce weaknesses into the encryption standards followed by hardware and software developers around the world."




 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
9. I wonder how much blackmail they've collected over the years....
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 12:13 PM
Sep 2013

I wonder if they have implanted stuff in the records to use as blackmail.

Makes you want to run for office just to see if they pull out where you've eaten dead fetuses.

dickthegrouch

(3,172 posts)
11. They don't need blackmail
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 12:25 PM
Sep 2013

They've fucked up the entire economy. They've stolen 30% of my 401K, stolen 30% of the value of my house, forced me out of my job for the last three months, lost me 30% of my investment portfolio. And this is the second long-term unemployment for me in ten years.
I'll be lucky if I have any money left for them to blackmail me with. And a man who has nothing left to lose is a very dangerous quantity; he can afford to get things changed.
Most people have not yet lost enough to get really angry, but the next downturn may be enough.

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