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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIf George Zimmerman feels invincible after that verdict, you know that
community leaders and elected officials get the same high each time they get away with outrageous behavior, like conspiracy and fraud. They are all sucking from the same legal tit.
It's a different world down here. We're living in an alternate reality. Each time our flaccid courts and law enforcement agencies fail to throw the book at these people, it just legitimizes their way of life. People don't have to be smart or honest, they just need to tap into the prevailing prejudices of the area, because the court system reinforces their bad decisions.
Thoughts come compliments of the following article, on why Shellie Z is divorcing George:
George Zimmerman's wife: He feels invincible
"I have a selfish husband. And I think George is all about George," she said in a segment that aired Friday on "Good Morning America." She gave the interview soon after her attorney filed for divorce, ABC News said.
Shellie Zimmerman said she isn't really sure she ever knew the man she has been married to for almost seven years. She told ABC that her husband was emotionally abusive at times, but he was never physically abusive.
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In July, George Zimmerman was acquitted of murder in the fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin. Shellie Zimmerman told ABC that she had moved out in mid-August.
George Zimmerman's acquittal has left him feeling "invincible," Shellie said, and she sees him "making some reckless decisions."
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment/blogs/tv-guy/os-george-zimmerman-wife-says-he-feels-invincible-20130906,0,223129.post
We have a lot of people who continue to make reckless decisions.
NV Whino
(20,886 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,682 posts)justice prevails.
NV Whino
(20,886 posts)But justice may get to him first.
Vinnie From Indy
(10,820 posts)It is mentioned in the Bible
Pride goes before destruction, And a haughty spirit before stumbling.
Proverbs 16:18
Baitball Blogger
(46,682 posts)It's pretty bad when someone feels like they have to expose the inadequacies of the legal field and law enforcement just to get a fair shot at justice.
wild bird
(421 posts)and that person is going to do to him what he did to Trayvon Martin.
That would be the ultimate irony.
Baitball Blogger
(46,682 posts)that Trayvon did not have the right to defend himself.
How is that going to affect the next person who has to face Zimmerman?
JustAnotherGen
(31,780 posts)We all know that no matter what - if our nephews, sons, brothers, husbands, fathers - are confronted by Zimmerman - regardless of whatever Zimmerman is doing wrong . . .
They have to take the bullet.
He'll get away with it.
Seriously- he could walk into a nursing home and shoot a 90 year old bed ridden partially paralyzed black man and he will get away with it. "I was standing my ground against his Depends."
And if anyone thinks that's hyperbole - they can get bent.
This is what many of us in the black community LEARNED from the Zimmerman verdict. Just as we all had to accept the verdict - everyone who disagrees with us has to sit there and take our perception of the low value of black men in America at face value and just accept it and move on and not be so 'hateful about it'.
Baitball Blogger
(46,682 posts)You said it eloquently.
liberalhistorian
(20,814 posts)others of his ilk feel emboldened by that horrendous verdict, also. Just a few days ago, an eight-year-old black boy, who was playing with neighbor children in the parking lot of his apartment complex, was shot in the face for no reason (well, is there EVER a reason with a child that young? No, I'd say not) by a white man whom witnesses said had been waving his gun around at the parking lot. When a resident heard the shot, he came running outside to find the child with half his face hanging off, blood pouring down it, and the man leaning against his truck. When the resident asked if he'd done it, the guy just calmly said, "Yeah, I shot that kid." It sounds as if you could almost hear the "so what" behind that statement.
And yet, he was only charged with injury to a child, for Christ's sake. That's ALL, at least right now. And I can just hear the fucker's defense, "the kid was throwing the ball around in a menacing way and I was afraid he was gonna throw it right at me in an aggressive manner with a dehumanizing stare" or some such other fucking horseshit. And the sad thing is, there are plenty of people who will think just that and who will actually believe that the child was some kind of threat to this Rambo motherfucker simply because he was black and male.
He's still hanging on in critical condition and is said to be improving but, even if he survives, he has many surgeries, rehabs and a very long, hard road ahead of him. And the motherfucker should be forced to give up everything he has and owns to pay for it, the family should not have to pay one fucking damn cent in medical bills. Period.
I predict many more such incidents in the near future, and good luck getting the cops and prosecutors to actually do their fucking jobs.
JustAnotherGen
(31,780 posts)In case anyone isn't familiar with what you have written about:
*note it is in the gun control and activism group*
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12624470
winterpark
(168 posts)husband during this entire time. Call me cynical, but I think she's just looking to cash in on her 15 mnutes
Baitball Blogger
(46,682 posts)about already.
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)The sensible answer, I think, is "virtually none".
Baitball Blogger
(46,682 posts)Once you've decided not to stay, there's nothing holding you back. It's coming out of her mouth, not her lawyer's.
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)one of the still shots of her looking at him.
I saw disdain on her face and in her eyes.
I have no doubt that the whole lying about the assets thing was probably his idea, and that he probably manipulated/pressured her into doing it.
Bunnahabhain
(857 posts)She's just divorcing him for financial reasons. Once the divorce is final George will file for bankruptcy. Watch for it.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)He's on the OJ path.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)Have lived here for over 30 years. Before that - out of the country for 10 years, Midwest, mid-Atlantic, west coast, Colo.
There is good and bad in EVERY location. Your claim is simply bogus. There are those making reckless decisions EVERYWHERE.
Baitball Blogger
(46,682 posts)I've been here since 77. There is a culture of corruption that runs deep. It exists because of strong anti-intellectual feelings.
I first saw it when they let go of a television personality because she was too up-town. She was an attractive, blond news commentator who came across as well-informed. They must have felt threatened by her and let her go!
Since then, I have been able to see the workings of the monster by following their city development process. The whole system is good ole boyed. When you have a number of lawyers intentionally committing malpractice, and they never seem to get disciplined for it, you know you're witnessing a phenomenon.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)which tv personality are you referring to?
Baitball Blogger
(46,682 posts)Central Florida is definitely different than a truly Democratic state which pays attention to land development codes, and ordinary people have a say in the process. Here, they only listen to plutocratic leaders and the process is always the same. Cut off the head and remove it from he body. We see it over and over again how these leaders ignore fiduciary responsibility to the people they represent, and they don't have to worry about it because there are a number of lawyers who will step in to defend them. That includes providing misinformation to throw everyone off the track. Homeowners just do not have the financial resources to fight this local behemoth.
Central Florida will become a tinderbox because of the diversity of the people moving in. It's not difficult to see that there is a local culture that is highly motivated in maintaining the status quo. The question is, how are they going to do this when the written law is not on their side?
Though, God knows they're doing everything they can in the legislature to make corruption legal.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)Not sure why WCPX let her go - I did like her.
What you describe goes on ALL OVER - this is not a situation isolated to Seminole county.
Look at the crap going on in Wisconsin, North Carolina, etc etc etc. I am well aware of some of the Florida shenanigans due to active involvement in a large environmental group. But, that said, there are similar issues throughout the U.S.
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on edit - WCPX, not WESH
Baitball Blogger
(46,682 posts)That there are similar political dynamics in other areas gives reason for people to unify in their attempt to fight them, not a reason to lay down arms.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)nothing in the water in Seminole County causing these lapses in ethics/morals/confidence.
But I agree, folks unifying might enhance our progress in harnessing their greed.
Baitball Blogger
(46,682 posts)When you are trying to pin down the causes of corruption, you have to recognize the social dynamics that are peculiar to the region. There are factors that are peculiar to Seminole County that may not be found anywhere else. For example, here, in the mid eighties, a strong anti-government organization formed under the guise of property rights interests. Among them were lawyers and judges. They either owned land, or were developers, or some combination thereof. That had a major impact on the course of events that followed. Through their private, monthly barbecue meetings a good ole boy network was allowed to take hold in this place. In those meetings local key players were able to mingle with state congressional hopefuls. Perhaps this was the beginning of the meets and greets. Perhaps this was a vetting arena to determine who was a political friendly, and who was not. The point is, that it happened with little attention from the press. This was occurring through the eighties and nineties when the internet was not yet a factor, and camera phones were not as prominent as they are today.
Lots went on without attention from the press in those days. In my city alone there was an attempt to take on a developer who had a firm vested interest in a certain private property. It was property that a special interest group did not want to see developed. What happened would have been comical, if it weren't for the way it affected so many people in such a negative manner. The city, which never before paid attention to State regulations, suddenly wanted to use them to require land amendment changes that would have delayed and bankrupt the developer. That would have made the powerful local forces of the time, happy. The problem they had, was that good ole boy city attorneys didn't leave them much to work with.
I can see now why the case was quickly settled. Anyone who looked at the case closely and examined the evidence would have seen all kinds of implausible legal reasoning. The city's big legal strategy was to keep the venue to a county courtroom where they hoped to get a local judge that everybody knew was prejudiced in their favor. That's how good ole boys think. It's a lot of pseudo law mixed in with a lot of bravado. However, the whole case fell apart when the plaintiff sued them in FEDERAL court. When it became obvious that minor details, such as legal malpractice, was about to go public, everything was settled quickly with a two million dollar settlement and a confidentiality clause.
That confidentiality clause has wronged a great many people because it has kept them victimized by the local circumstances; as it has also allowed the wrong-doers to continue with careers that should have come to an abrupt end in the nineties.
So, again, I disagree with you. To pretend that all corruption is exactly the same, is to lose the small nuances that allow us to find a wedge where we can begin to open the tight shell that is giving them shelter. In my case, it might involve lawyers who have a stake in past wrong-doings. In another area of Florida, it might involve another kind of government collapse. In sum, I think it would be wrong to try to broad-brush these things, because it would have the negative effect of creating a feeling of defeat before we even get started.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)everywhere - cronyism is ubiquitous, but each location has it's own nuances.
I NEVER said corruption is exactly the same - just that corruption exists everywhere.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Where we have the stink
I think that we have this corruption all over to differing degrees. You get to see the underside of the oligarchy from time to time. I have been pulling the strands of what was really behind the Filner scandal, and it is quite frankly, he would not play ball with the usual suspects.
Baitball Blogger
(46,682 posts)why is there no national support group for us who are trying to expose the corruption?
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)You should do the same. Your papers have archives. Look for families who keep repeating, and scandals that have a similar story line
Baitball Blogger
(46,682 posts)Seriously, though, the wrong people will be listening.
If you don't have a big name to attach to your blog, who are you really?
That's how they think around here.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)And now have big names
Woof_Woof
(24 posts)Not like you?
Baitball Blogger
(46,682 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)DrDan
(20,411 posts)dem in texas
(2,673 posts)OJ Simpson thought he was invincible and above the law after the not guilt verdict for his ex-wife's murder. See where he is how and how awful he looks. Life in prison has not been kind to OJ. G. Zimmerman is headed in the same direction as OJ. I just hope that he does not kill someone else before he is finally put behind bars.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Just ask Bush Jr. and Dick Cheney.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)but apparently she is sure enough now that she wants to talk trash about him on national TV.
2ndAmForComputers
(3,527 posts)liberalhistorian
(20,814 posts)Never mind all the false smears against Martin by Georgie and his legal team. I guess sometimes the truth really does hurt to hear.
liberalhistorian
(20,814 posts)and not "trash talking". None of what she says surprises me at all, given what is known about Zimmerman and his behavior the night of the murder, afterwards and during and after the trial.
The REAL trash talking was done by him and his vulture attorneys against Trayvon Martin, an honors student whom they did their best to portray as a drug-addled, crack peddling, thieving school-hating gangster, even though the record clearly showed the complete opposite. Funny how you don't seem to give a shit about that.
malaise
(268,693 posts)or perhaps he'll hit a tree and kill himself while speeding.
Who knows maybe one of his guns will go off and prove Darwin right yet again.
All I know is that I won't shed a tear.
2ndAmForComputers
(3,527 posts)I want the cop to be black.
And to have had an awful, stressful, frustrating day up to that point.
malaise
(268,693 posts)You should be so lucky
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)after the divorce. I wouldn't put it past her.