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Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 03:27 PM Sep 2013

Greg Mitchell: 'Expert' on Syria Cited by Kerry Paid by Rebels

@GregMitch: Amazing: WSJ has now added note to that key piece cited by Kerry and McCain, confirming writer paid by Syria rebels! http://t.co/cZJbkvjzlf

Friday, September 6, 2013

'Expert' on Syria Cited by Kerry Paid by Rebels

UPDATED WSJ now acknowledges. "Ms. O'Bagy is affiliated with the Syrian Emergency Task Force, a nonprofit operating as a 501(c)(3) pending IRS approval that subcontracts with the U.S. and British governments to provide aid to the Syrian opposition."

Earlier: I noted earlier that the author of a WSJ article last week claiming--against most evidence--that the rebels in Syria are actually overwhelmingly moderate and growing in numbers was paid by a hawkish neo-con think-tank. Still, her report was cited as gospel by Kerry, McCain and many others. Now we learn that she is also paid by the Syria rebels themselves. "In addition to her work for the Institute for the Study of War, O’Bagy is also the political director for the Syrian Emergency Task Force (SETF), a group that advocates within the United States for Syria’s rebels — a fact that the Journal did not disclose in O’Bagy’s piece."

Greg Mitchell at 10:47 AM

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Greg Mitchell: 'Expert' on Syria Cited by Kerry Paid by Rebels (Original Post) Hissyspit Sep 2013 OP
The parallels continue. Now we have our very own Ahmed Chalabi. n/t Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #1
Curveball! HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #2
Curvebelle? nt. polly7 Sep 2013 #3
US Selling Cluster Bombs Worth $641 million to Saudi Arabia GeorgeGist Sep 2013 #4
The WSJ is a Murdoch owned publication. Why anyone even reads it anymore is beyond me. Another sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #5
Obama & Kerry's evidence for Syria seems to be every bit as FAKE as Bush's evidence for Iraq Ocelot Sep 2013 #11
Yes, and this time it doesn't seem to be working. But how disappointing that the administration we sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #18
exactly, Ocelot Carolina Sep 2013 #27
I used a non-Murdoch related source Ocelot Sep 2013 #30
Sorry Carolina Sep 2013 #45
So they faked the videotape of dead and dying people? Actors? blm Sep 2013 #38
I knew it - Palin was right - Obama and Kerry are working FOR Al Qaeda. blm Sep 2013 #40
Maybe you should try to comprehend the article... Ocelot Sep 2013 #42
gee...I kinda knew that for only about 3 decades. blm Sep 2013 #47
You're still regurgitating the same bullshit Ocelot Sep 2013 #50
So you prefer to claim. You're in line with Rush Limbaugh. blm Sep 2013 #53
Lather, rinse, repeat Ocelot Sep 2013 #54
We're talking Greg Mitchell here... Cooley Hurd Sep 2013 #23
Oh, look... Hydra Sep 2013 #6
K & R !!! WillyT Sep 2013 #7
Ground hog war nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #8
Why would Kerry not check this out? Makes no sense for him to use KoKo Sep 2013 #9
You shoud probably sulphurdunn Sep 2013 #21
That would be his Wife's Portfolio...from Heinz Fortune which they just sold off. AND KoKo Sep 2013 #31
Force of habit? sulphurdunn Sep 2013 #43
Sadly...that's something to consider. What else could it be? The BUBBLE KoKo Sep 2013 #44
Especially as the Keystone XL pipeline decision comes down Berlum Sep 2013 #37
cough*stovepipe*cough frylock Sep 2013 #10
K&R woo me with science Sep 2013 #12
The U.S./UK are also using hair/clothing samples provided by the rebels Maedhros Sep 2013 #13
So now the medical facilities and their staff Iliyah Sep 2013 #19
From here: Maedhros Sep 2013 #22
Again, the Medical staff secured the samples Iliyah Sep 2013 #26
Are you familiar with the concept of chain of custody for evidence? Maedhros Sep 2013 #29
Well, well, well, isn't that special?! City Lights Sep 2013 #14
More about this paid Lobbyist and McCain travel liaison Catherina Sep 2013 #15
WOW Iliyah Sep 2013 #20
hmm - I see a similarity in behavior here. ConcernedCanuk Sep 2013 #25
ya know, ConcernedCanuck Carolina Sep 2013 #28
"I always thought they killed Hussein forthwith to silence him" ConcernedCanuk Sep 2013 #33
Gee Carolina Sep 2013 #46
Damm - I forgot again . . ConcernedCanuk Sep 2013 #48
+ l,000000000000000! KoKo Sep 2013 #34
Anything negative is posted regardless if it is fact Iliyah Sep 2013 #16
It's overblown ProSense Sep 2013 #41
People just don't want to go to war for al Qaeda terrorists. David__77 Sep 2013 #51
Oopsie MissDeeds Sep 2013 #17
DURec leftstreet Sep 2013 #24
Will Kerry be held Accountable for THIS before the Senate/House Vote? KoKo Sep 2013 #32
Mitchell is an ace Berlum Sep 2013 #35
k&r Curveball! idwiyo Sep 2013 #36
Déjà vu jsr Sep 2013 #39
kick woo me with science Sep 2013 #49
Kerry has been working with Syria for 9 years now? I'll take Kerry opinion over 'news Sunlei Sep 2013 #52
Is his codename "Knuckleball" by any chance? Dash87 Sep 2013 #55

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
5. The WSJ is a Murdoch owned publication. Why anyone even reads it anymore is beyond me. Another
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 03:51 PM
Sep 2013

unreliable source that I have not read since Murdoch bought it. They are a slightly more respectable, only due to the old WSJ's reputation 'source', than Faux.

 

Ocelot

(227 posts)
11. Obama & Kerry's evidence for Syria seems to be every bit as FAKE as Bush's evidence for Iraq
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 05:13 PM
Sep 2013
The clumsy attempt to pass off intelligence claimed dubiously by the Israelis as a U.S. intercept raises a major question about the integrity of the entire document. The Israelis have an interest in promoting a U.S. attack on Syria, and the authenticity of the alleged intercept cannot be assumed. Murray believes that it is fraudulent.


GREAT piece at Truthout, highly recommended (I just heard it being discussed on the CounterSpin radio program)

http://truth-out.org/news/item/18559-how-intelligence-was-twisted-to-support-an-attack-on-syria

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
18. Yes, and this time it doesn't seem to be working. But how disappointing that the administration we
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 05:32 PM
Sep 2013

helped elect to end all of these deceptions, should end up doing the same thing. What a slap in the face to all who worked so hard to put them in power.

Thanks for the link. Maybe all of this was necessary so that we, who were apparently so naive, finally got to see the whole picture.

Carolina

(6,960 posts)
27. exactly, Ocelot
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 06:28 PM
Sep 2013

Kerry chose prostituted intelligence... so, Murdoch-related or not, I welcome opposing view points, intelligence, whatever to stop this madness!

Besides, as we have seen, tabloids often contain a kernel of truth.

Carolina

(6,960 posts)
45. Sorry
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 09:00 PM
Sep 2013

I was referring to another poster who questioned the source. My point was I heartily agree with you

blm

(113,040 posts)
38. So they faked the videotape of dead and dying people? Actors?
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 07:14 PM
Sep 2013

Doctors without Borders got paid off paid to invent a chemical attack?

Wow - Obama DOES equal Bush.

blm

(113,040 posts)
40. I knew it - Palin was right - Obama and Kerry are working FOR Al Qaeda.
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 07:22 PM
Sep 2013

Every bit of evidence I am seeing here backs up Palin's charge : Obama is palling around with terrorists.

Obama only had BinLaden knocked off so he could lead Al Qaeda. It ALL makes sense now.

 

Ocelot

(227 posts)
42. Maybe you should try to comprehend the article...
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 07:26 PM
Sep 2013

Doctors without Borders do NOT support the White House's claims about Syrian casualties, and have called into question whether nerve gas was even used. Ya see, "Medecins Sans Frontieres" is kinda French-like for "Doctors Without Borders"...


Dr. Ghazwan Bwidany told CBS news August 24 that his mobile medical unit had treated 900 people after the attack and that 70 had died. Medecins Sans Frontieres reported that 3,600 patients had been treated at hospitals in the area of the attack and that 355 had died. Such ratios of survivors to dead were the opposite of what chemical weapons specialists would have expected from a nerve gas attack.

[link:http://truth-out.org/news/item/18559-how-intelligence-was-twisted-to-support-an-attack-on-syria|
http://truth-out.org/news/item/18559-how-intelligence-was-twisted-to-support-an-attack-on-syria]

blm

(113,040 posts)
47. gee...I kinda knew that for only about 3 decades.
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 10:15 PM
Sep 2013

But, they have said more that gets ignored:
>>>>
Although our information indicates mass exposure to a neurotoxic agent, MSF clearly stated that scientific confirmation of the toxic agent was required, and therefore called for an independent investigation to shed light on what would constitute, if confirmed, a massive and unacceptable violation of international humanitarian law.

But, hey, pick the parts you want to give the impression that suits your preferred narrative. I highly doubt you agree with MSF that the mass murders once confirmed to be chemical weapon attack would be UNACCEPTABLE. You have already found them acceptable.

 

Ocelot

(227 posts)
50. You're still regurgitating the same bullshit
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 12:02 PM
Sep 2013

And missing the same important point that's staring you in the face:

After all this time no one knows WHO carried the attacks out: it could be anyone from Israeli covert ops to the Al Quaeda-aligned Syrian rebels whom you, Kerry and Obama seem to lovingly trust and support without question. It could also have been Assad, but logic dictates otherwise.

And to say that you do know who carried the attacks out is nothing more than wishful thinking to put things in line with your, Dick Cheney's, Karl Rove's and Joe Lieberman's collective agenda of Mideast domination. Sorry to burst your bubble, but the American people and the rest of the world do NOT support going to war based on faulty information, bullshit, lies, OR extreme unknowns.

blm

(113,040 posts)
53. So you prefer to claim. You're in line with Rush Limbaugh.
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 02:25 PM
Sep 2013

Kerry has long been against the PNAC view of Syria and has worked to bring Assad into the camp focused on diplomatic solutions for the region. That you do not know this and lump them all together is a display of your ignorance on the subject.

You are welcome to name one lawmaker who has worked harder than Kerry to prevent any use of force in Syria the last 8 years.

And, apparently, the American people are also prepared to bury the Geneva Conventions that Bush killed.

 

Ocelot

(227 posts)
54. Lather, rinse, repeat
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 08:22 PM
Sep 2013

Kerry's going to get the award for Most Unconvincing Performance by a Warmonger AGAIN this year, I think. He's even more unconvincing now than he was on Iraq.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
9. Why would Kerry not check this out? Makes no sense for him to use
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 04:47 PM
Sep 2013

something that would be found out to be paid for by the terrorists.

Bizarre.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
31. That would be his Wife's Portfolio...from Heinz Fortune which they just sold off. AND
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 06:40 PM
Sep 2013

at his age, at this point in his life...it can't just be about Money...since they both have enough for the 2nd Home on Cape Cod...the Boat...Wind Surfing/Kiyaking and all of the invites to dinners given by the ELITES that they could WANT?

What would Motivate Him? Is it just raw power that he STARTED WWIII?

Can they be that immoral?

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
44. Sadly...that's something to consider. What else could it be? The BUBBLE
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 08:40 PM
Sep 2013

of the ENTITLED...sort of comes to my mind.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
13. The U.S./UK are also using hair/clothing samples provided by the rebels
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 05:18 PM
Sep 2013

to test for the presence of residual nerve agents, rather that using the samples collected by the UN team.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
22. From here:
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 06:11 PM
Sep 2013
http://truth-out.org/news/item/18559-how-intelligence-was-twisted-to-support-an-attack-on-syria

The Obama administration has made it clear it does not intend to rely on the UN investigation's findings. Kerry declared on Sunday that samples of blood and hair from medical personnel in eastern Ghouta had been found to contain traces of sarin nerve gas.

However, those samples did not go through the UN investigators, but were smuggled out of Syria by opposition activists. The spokesman for the Free Syrian Army's Supreme National Council, Khaled Saleh, had announced August 22 that "activists" had collected their own hair, blood and soil samples and were smuggling them out of the country.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
26. Again, the Medical staff secured the samples
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 06:28 PM
Sep 2013

period. and I'm sick and tired of every single (-) stuff posted as being THE TRUTH, where its not.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
15. More about this paid Lobbyist and McCain travel liaison
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 05:23 PM
Sep 2013

I didn't see your thread when I posted this in another thread. Here's some more information. I'm just pasting what I had before.
[hr]

In the lies Kerry's telling about how moderate these thugs are, he cites neoconservative Elizabeth O'Bagy, from the war-loving Institute for the Study of War as if she has any credibility. I guess that was horrible enough because he neglected to mention she's a senior member of the "Syrian Emergency Task Force" and a lobbyist to boot.

SETF Organizes McCain Trip into Syria

On Monday May 27, 2013 Senator John McCain traveled into Syria for a period of several hours to discuss the current situation in Syria and U.S. Syria Policy with General Salim Idris, leader of the Supreme Military Council of the Free Syrian Army, and 18 commanders of FSA battalions from all of Syria. While meeting with Senator McCain, General Idris and FSA commanders asked that the United States increase its aid to the Free Syrian Army in the form of heavy weapons, a no-fly zone, and air strikes on Hezbollah. Syrian Emergency Task Force Field Director, Razan Shalab Al-Sham, Executive Director, Mouaz Moustafa, and Political Director Elizabeth O'Bagy organized and facilitated Senator McCain's trip into the country.



http://syriantaskforce.org/index.php/about-us/setf-blog/86-setf-mccain-trip


A 26 year old paid lobbyist who was
pushing against the drive to designate Syria’s al Nusra as a terrorist group, late last year.

In December, O’Bagy opposed the Obama administration’s attempts to designate al-Nusra — a powerful Syrian rebel group — as a terror organization because of its ties to al-Qaida.

“I’m not saying they aren’t a terrorist group. But given the circumstances and given their cooperation with the opposition as a whole, designating them now would be disastrous,” O’Bagy said to McClatchy newspapers in December 2012.

In April 2013, al-Nusra pledged loyalty to al-Qaida.

O’Bagy told TheDC that she had opposed the terrorist designation because she feared it would damage the rebellion against Bashar al-Assad’s dictatorship.

“The point that I was trying to make in terms of al-Nusra being designated a terrorist organization was that at the time they had been embraced to a large degree by certain aspects of the population and they were very much seen as fighting for the cause,” she said. “I knew that designating them as a terrorist organization would have a very radicalizing impact on the ground. I wasn’t sure if that trend could be reversed. I was terrified that this could be an irreversible process of radicalization.”

O’Bagy told TheDC that she was wrong to consider al-Nusra anything but a terror group.

“I can admit when I’m wrong. In many ways al-Nusra has revealed its true face and many see it as a foreign influence and an outside group… Designating them a terrorist group has helped empower more moderate groups,” she said.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/09/05/woman-informing-kerry-mccains-opinions-on-syria-also-an-advocate-for-syrian-rebels/



A Lobbyist, a major advocate for the rebels!

Foreign Policy reported that

the Syrian Emergency Task Force (SETF), which boasts extensive contacts with rebel commanders, spent months lobbying Congress, the State Department and the White House for everything from small arms to anti-tank and and anti-aircraft weapons to body armor to advanced communications equipment for the rebels.

...

Elizabeth O'Bagy, political director at SETF, doubted whether the administration's new pledge amounted to a significant policy change. "It's not enough," she told The Cable. "Small arms and ammunition really only get you so far against airplanes. And I wonder how much of this is simply an announcement of what they've already been doing on the ground," referring to pre-existing administration efforts to encourage Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey to ship weapons into the country with assistance from the U.S.


We're in CRAZYLAND. A 26 year-old paid lobbyist is being quoted as an authority and is able to stop the State Department from classifying these thugs as terrorists even though, they're designated as terrorists in Iraq (see Terrorist Designations of the al-Nusrah Front as an Alias for al-Qa'ida in Iraq. Only in Crazyland do these thugs transform from Al-Qaeda terrorists to angels once the step over the border.

And Assad was laughing when Gaddafi told them all, at an Arab League meeting, to watch out because if the head of a sovereign state could be hanged like Hussein was, they were next. Assad was laughing.

This is all madness. It is illegal, per international law, to invade a sovereign state without UNSC approval. No matter how strongly a 26 year old paid lobbyist twists facts for you. I ranted, sorry. Anyway, Assad was laughing along with the rest of them.

Carolina

(6,960 posts)
28. ya know, ConcernedCanuck
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 06:33 PM
Sep 2013

I always thought they killed Hussein forthwith to silence him... he knew where all the bodies were buried, so to speak.

Thanks for the pictorial reminder of the duplicity of those in power, of those who were favored until they were no longer of use, of the background for BLOWBACK

 

ConcernedCanuk

(13,509 posts)
48. Damm - I forgot again . .
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 11:52 PM
Sep 2013

.
.
.

That's supposed to be understood as

Most should know my opinions by now . . .

thought it was obvious,

no snark intended.

CC

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
16. Anything negative is posted regardless if it is fact
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 05:25 PM
Sep 2013

and some think its gospel - LOL

Ummmmmmm, I'm pretty sure there will a article in the future if not now stating fact that Assad paid Rand Paul, et al., for the No vote. Tick Tock

I'm surprise the article didn't mention all the yes people are being paid off.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
41. It's overblown
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 07:25 PM
Sep 2013

and has nothing to do with the case against Assad. Nothing about this changes that a chemical attack happened, and the evidence points to Assad. France and Germany also presented evidence.

The WSJ article is about the opposition, challenging the assertion that it's mostly extremists. Here is a HuffPo piece on the WSJ article and reaction to it.

NEW YORK -- A Wall Street Journal op-ed cited this week by both Secretary of State John Kerry and Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) has drawn scrutiny for not disclosing writer Elizabeth O'Bagy's ties to a Syrian rebel advocacy group.

<...>

The Huffington Post contacted the Journal on Friday and was told the paper would not comment on op-ed's lack of disclosure. But shortly thereafter, a clarification was added to the piece: "In addition to her role at the Institute for the Study of War, Ms. O'Bagy is affiliated with the Syrian Emergency Task Force, a nonprofit operating as a 501(c)(3) pending IRS approval that subcontracts with the U.S. and British governments to provide aid to the Syrian opposition."

<...>

McCain read part of O’Bagy’s piece out loud during a Tuesday Senate hearing and asked Kerry if he agreed with the writer's findings. Kerry said he mostly did. "The fundamentals of Syria are secular and will stay that way," he told McCain. The following day, Kerry said it was a “very interesting article” and suggested members of Congress read it. (Reuters later challenged Kerry’s assertions about the opposition).

McCain and Kerry each mentioned O'Bagy's role with the Institute for the Study of War, a non-partisan think tank, in citing the column, but not her connection to the Syria support group.

- more -

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/06/wall-street-journal-syria-elizabeth-obagy_n_3881477.html

Kerry stated that he mostly agreed with it. The U.S. has its own intelligence, which, as indicated, Reuters used to "challenge" Kerry's assertions.

The intelligence doesn't contradict Kerry. Here is the Reuters report on the intelligence from July.

Islamist rebels would gain sway in long Syrian war: U.S. official

(Reuters) - - Radical Islamist rebels will gain sway over the many disparate factions opposing Syrian President Bashar al-Assad unless they are checked, and the country's civil war could last years...David Shedd, the deputy director of the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency, did not advocate any form of intervention by the United States or its allies, saying that was up to policymakers.

But his bleak assessment of the dangers posed by the Islamist al-Nusra Front and al Qaeda's Iraq-based wing, as well as the prospects for a prolonged conflict, could bolster advocates of greater involvement by the United States and its allies.

Addressing the Aspen Security Forum in Colorado, Shedd said he counted at least 1,200 groups in the opposition. He said many of the groups were preoccupied with strictly local grievances, like a lack of potable water in their villages.

"Left unchecked, I'm very concerned that the most radical elements will take over larger segments" of the opposition groups, Shedd said, strongly hinting at the need for some kind of outside intervention.

- more -

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/21/us-syria-crisis-pentagon-idUSBRE96K01320130721


The current article, while the title states: Kerry portrait of Syria rebels at odds with intelligence reports
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/05/us-syria-crisis-usa-rebels-idUSBRE98405L20130905

...does not dispute Kerry's claim about the constitution of the opposition.

<...>

"Who are the rebel forces? Who are they? I ask that in my briefings all the time," McCaul said. "And every time I get briefed on this it gets worse and worse, because the majority now of these rebel forces - and I say majority now - are radical Islamists pouring in from all over the world."

Kerry replied: "I just don't agree that a majority are al Qaeda and the bad guys. That's not true. There are about 70,000 to 100,000 oppositionists ... Maybe 15 percent to 25 percent might be in one group or another who are what we would deem to be bad guys.

<...>

U.S. intelligence sources do not dispute that Islamic extremists are in the minority on the battlefield.

"Most of the groups battling against Assad are composed of Islamist fighters, but only a small minority could accurately be characterized as extremist," one U.S. official said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

But a second official, who also asked not to be named, said moderate rebels may have lost strength rather than gained it in recent months. Due to their relative lack of weapons and organization, they are beginning to make alliances with better-armed Islamic radicals, whom they see pursuing more effective actions against Assad's forces, the official said.

David__77

(23,367 posts)
51. People just don't want to go to war for al Qaeda terrorists.
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 12:05 PM
Sep 2013

It tends to get some people a little heated for some reason.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
32. Will Kerry be held Accountable for THIS before the Senate/House Vote?
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 06:55 PM
Sep 2013

I think he should be. WTF is he doing citing info from stuff that "Curveball" did in Iraq run up to war.

Has our Government lost it's mind? Did they not understand we voted for CHANGE FROM BUSH WARS!

Everything is so screwed up. Heros strip off their cloaks and are revealed as Hollow Figures...the Puppet Masters just a Shadow behind them...only vaguely in focus. Liars, War Mongers, Profiteers and Thieves seem to rule our Congress and White House Advisors and the Government itself!

When will this end? We've TRIED and not been successful... What's next?

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
52. Kerry has been working with Syria for 9 years now? I'll take Kerry opinion over 'news
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 12:20 PM
Sep 2013

opinions' about written reports.

Todays, Murdock owned medias, I don't have much trust for.

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