46 year-old white Texas man shoots 8 year-old Black child.

[kalisto2010]

Brian Cloninger, 46, was charged with injury to a child. He remains in the Dallas County jail on a $2.2 million bond.

The boy, identified as Donald Maiden, Jr., was shot in the parking lot of La Bella Palms apartments in the 9400 block of Royal Lane near Abrams Road. Witnesses told police Cloninger had been seen waving his gun at people before the shooting, according to an arrest warrant affidavit.

A resident at the apartment complex went outside after hearing the gunshot. The boy bleeding was profusely, and Cloninger was standing beside his silver pickup truck. The man asked whether Cloninger shot the boy, according to police reports.

“Yes I shot that kid,” Cloninger told the witness, according to the arrest warrant.

http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2013/09/dallas-man-arrested-in-connection-with-shooting-of-7-year-old-boy-tuesday-night-at-a-lake-highlands-apartment-complex.html/

Why hasn't the Drudge Report run this on the front page so the so-called Liberal media can pick it up?

[mwrguy]

1. There seems to be an epidemic of white-on-black violence in this country

We get a black president and the crackers just can't handle it.

[Taitertots]

15. Where is the evidence to support your racist hyperbole n/t

[Gravitycollapse]

17. I agree the white-on-black violence is not represented by this crime...

White-on-black violence is generally systemic and diffuse and usually involves alternative forms of violence. Like economic and social violence.

If we consider these forms, white vs minority violence is probably the most prevalent form of violence in the entire nation.

[Taitertots]

21. Economic violence.... Social Violence.... Oh, you mean things that are not physical violence n/t

Last edited Fri Sep 6, 2013, 09:51 PM - Edit history (1)

Edit: "Physical violence" for the people who refuse to accept words in the obvious context that they were used.

[alittlelark]

24. Just.... WOW

....don't think I have any words for your post other than 'obtuse'......

[liberalhistorian]

60. That's typical for this

particular gun-loving guns-uber-alles poster.

[alittlelark]

64. He is still puking out disjointed words... he needs to be

but to sleep.

[Gravitycollapse]

25. All of those are legitimate forms of violence.

Is your definition of violence really that narrow? Even the dictionary disagrees with you.

[totodeinhere]

32. Yes but in this case it was not those types of violence. It was gun violence.

And the truth is that most shootings of black people are done by other blacks. And most shootings of whites are done by other whites.

[Gravitycollapse]

39. It is, however, all violence and all results in violent outcomes...

I think we spend too much time focusing on gun violence as some sort of standard candle of all violence while ignoring all the other vastly more vicious forms of systemic violence in this country.

Especially when one considers that much of the physical violence among minorities perpetrated against themselves is actually the result of the violent abjection of minorities by white people.

[Taitertots]

33. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/violence

1.a : exertion of physical force so as to injure or abuse (as in warfare effecting illegal entry into a house)
b : an instance of violent treatment or procedure
2: injury by or as if by distortion, infringement, or profanation : outrage
3a : intense, turbulent, or furious and often destructive action or force <the violence of the storm>
b : vehement feeling or expression : fervor; also : an instance of such action or feeling
c : a clashing or jarring quality : discordance
4: undue alteration (as of wording or sense in editing a text)

In this context, you are using the word in the most intellectually dishonest way possible. So, I guess you are right, but in the most meaningless and arbitrary way possible.

Your whole position is nothing more than...
A) You have two feet
B) No I don't, I have six... Just look at how tall I am
You twisted the words out of the context until they were obviously counter to the intention of the person using it; but technically correct in the most arbitrary and meaningless way possible.

[Gravitycollapse]

37. And altering your previous post is not intellectually dishonest?

[Taitertots]

40. With an explanation of the change AND you can see the original if you want

I don't think you understand what intellectual dishonesty is. Or wait... maybe it has a 4th definition, and you are just being even more intellectually dishonest.

[Gravitycollapse]

44. No, you originally stated that social and economic violence are not ACTUAL forms of violence.

Which is demonstrably incorrect. That you changed it to make it seem as though my response was convoluted or incorrect is where the intellectual dishonesty comes into play. And what you did was intellectually dishonest. Or is intellectual dishonesty not an ACTUAL form of dishonesty in your opinion?

[Taitertots]

47. You are grabbing at straws to defend your intellectual dishonesty

The change was 100% transparent (explained and the original is available) AND I both admitted that you were technically correct AND posted the definition WITH a link to my source. Your claims of intellectual dishonest (or regular dishonesty) have no basis in reality.

Your claims of intellectual dishonest would only have merit if we assume both the edit wasn't explained in the body of the post AND the original wasn't still available to you.

[alittlelark]

51. You altered your post... few actually look at the original.

Gravity has the right of it in this dispute. YOU are the one being intellectually dishonest.

You are the one w/ the strawman.

[Taitertots]

53. The original is there for the world to see and it was clearly explained

It is unequivocally not intellectual dishonesty. I've made every reasonable effort to make the change AND the reason for the change clear to everyone on DU.

Gravity is being intellectually dishonest by conflating fundamentally different definitions of a word when the original context makes one definition obvious.

And you are being intellectually dishonest by accusing me of using fallacious arguments but not actually pointing to any of my statements.

[alittlelark]

57. Uh, ...... YEAH.

You are a piece of work, I'll give you that. Quite tenacious.

You seem to think that being the loudest and most offended poster makes you right....

[Taitertots]

61. Your whole post is fundamentally intellectually dishonest

Lets try this again
"It is unequivocally not intellectual dishonesty. I've made every reasonable effort to make the change AND the reason for the change clear to everyone on DU.

Gravity is being intellectually dishonest by conflating fundamentally different definitions of a word when the original context makes one definition obvious.

And you are being intellectually dishonest by accusing me of using fallacious arguments but not actually pointing to any of my statements."

Now, if you actually want a reasonable discussion about the topics we were previously discussing, please create a coherent response to my post. Or post a divergent, snarky, non-sense response and I'll know that it is time for you to go on ignore.

[alittlelark]

62. Go to bed, or into the oven at 425 (taitertot temp)

Words and words and words...... and no logic or thought behind them. Type in your sleep.

You are not worth the time - some are, you are not.

[Taitertots]

63. More intellecual dishonesty

You make no effort to post a reasonable response, welcome to ignore.

[SamReynolds]

66. I read through this.

You made a statement that was demonstrably incorrect. Instead of going the route of enlightenment, you went the route of a child.

Adult: "Ah, well, I suppose the definition of 'violence' can include the deliberate infliction of adversity."

Fool: "You're all being dishonest!"

... the latter stands pale in the face of the fact that their points are all valid.

[SamReynolds]

68. Which would you prefer,

A punch in the face, or the loss of your job?

Which of those hits you harder?

[7962]

34. Thank you

[Skip Intro]

36. +100. n/t

[SamReynolds]

67. A thinking person would understand that there is indeed institutionalized 'white on black violence'.

There is a reason that black males are 7 times more likely to be jailed than white males for an identical crime.

I love when people give a thumbs-up to particularly ignorant posts... I can write them off so much more quickly that way.

[jtuck004]

16. It's just makin' the papers more these days. It has always been there, just didn't make the

news as much.

You can google the older incidents, but they are largely contained in local papers, if that. Which speaks volumes.

[840high]

18. What? Do you ever watch

the news?

[Skip Intro]

31. Bullshit racist post. n/t

[lpbk2713]

2. I saw the shooter's pic at the link.

Why am I not surprised?


OMFG

[Scootaloo]

3. He looks like the kid from Deliverance all growed up

[dflprincess]

54. That is exactly what I thought n/t

[alittlelark]

8. Pic...... That is one DISTURBING lookin' dude.

[hobbit709]

11. Definite melanin and intelligence deficiency.

[alittlelark]

13. I think Scootaloo was right... he looks like the 'Deliverance' kid

...all growed up.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

19. Did his neck HAVE to be red?

[alittlelark]

20. He has a neck? I gotta look again, I missed it....

[Spitfire of ATJ]

22. Just under chin #2

[alittlelark]

26. I zoomed in... I MIGHT have seen it.

I likely need my reading glasses....

[JI7]

4. the kid was armed with the parking lot, he had to shoot to protect himself

[lpbk2713]

5. Probably carrying a concealed bag of Skittles without a permit too.

[targetpractice]

6. Happy that the boy, Maiden, survived.

Maiden is an odd name for a boy, no?

Upon edit: Never mind... I can't read.

[Cali_Democrat]

7. If it was a 46-year-old black man who shot an 8-year-old white child

It would be Drudge's top story and he would have his siren blaring.

The right wing media has become so blatantly racist lately.

[heaven05]

29. Drudge is a POS

waiting to be flushed.

[Skip Intro]

35. But then we wouldn't be talking about it here.

Well, there might be one or two threads that drop like rocks, like with the OK WW2 vet who was beat to death in a parking lot on his way to shoot pool at some lodge. Or the guy in TX who threw gasoline on an elderly woman working a register at a convenience store and then set her on fire. Or the woman recently brutally beaten by a group of teens. There are endless examples of such black on white violence. And none of them are hot topics on DU PRECICELY because the victims are white and the perps are black.

[7962]

43. +1 thousand! Glad to see someone with 18K+ posts point that out.

I'd be labeled a troll or worse.

[Skip Intro]

49. Hard to let such distortions of reality pass without calling bs.

I still get called a troll, and worse.

Simple truth is, name-calling is almost always a sure sign your discussion partner(s) have nothing meaningful or worth considering to say. Akin to a schoolyard bully. Thankfully, that type is a small minority here.

[Cali_Democrat]

50. Bullshit

I saw all those stories on DU.

[Isoldeblue]

9. It's surprising that he

isn't claiming SYG................

They claimed Trayvon used the sidewalk as a lethal weapon.

[Angus86]

10. What I heard on the news...

What I heard on the news was that witnesses had seen him wandering around the area for at least two days in 100+ degree heat acting very strange. Someone should have called the police before he snapped and shot a kid in the face.

[geomon666]

12. He was just Standing His Ground

[kalisto2010]

14. This link here gives some disturbing details about the incident.

http://freakoutnation.com/2013/09/06/46-year-old-white-texas-man-shoots-8-year-old-black-kid-in-the-face-while-hes-playing/

[Liberal_in_LA]

23. that is just so awful

[heaven05]

27. Amerikkka

is a violent, vicious, racist country that IS NOT getting any better. Oh yeah, he was crazy. Crazy racist POS. 8 year old boy, in the face? The shooter deserves the same.

[CPX7700]

28. just Texas

It might not be even racism - in Texas people will shoot anything that moves.

[alittlelark]

30. uh.....yeah.... WTF are you talking about?

Texas has it's share of loons, but most residents are sane, and a great many are Dems.

[Enthusiast]

38. That 8 year old was a threat to Brian Cloninger.

He didn't avert his eyes or step aside and bow his head when Brian was walking down the street.

[alittlelark]

45. What ^^^ said. n/t

[Rebellious Republican]

41. Now there is a headline that that will keep this thread alive....

very news worthy because it happened in Texas, Florida or the south in general. I expect many to jump on this despite the many other headlines that happened elsewhere here on DU.

http://users.humboldt.edu/mstephens/hate/hate_map.html#

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

52. Wow, who would have thought that areas with higher income....

....and a means to use Twitter and other forms of social media would have the highest concentration of activity?

[Rebellious Republican]

58. Read it and weep, not my study!

Glad that some one can understand a scientific study.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

69. The study is quite frankly irrelevant to this thread

I don't know what Twitter and Facebook usage has to do with a young black child being shot, but whatever.

[Rebellious Republican]

70. No it is not irrelevant , my point is that many here like to bash southerners...

while ignoring their own back yards, say above the the Mason Dixon and west of the Mississippi. I give you this as an example, mind you only of many that have been ignored here. So when you are done bashing the south, maybe, just maybe you will start to care what is going on elsewhere other then the south.

irrelevant

This thread did not happen in the south, or Texas or Florida. Just like many others outside of the south, it died quickly. I am tired seeing progressive southerners being bashed here because it seems to be the popular thing to do.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014588226

[7962]

42. So some DU posters have to make it a white/black thing when the guy was obviously screwed up?

He's obviously a whack job. Anyone READ the article? Its amazing how something so far remove from the zimmerman debacle is instantly equated to it. I'm glad to see SOME putting up a fight against stupidity in some posts above, since the story has NOTHING to do with race.
You really want to compare white on black crimes to black on white? Really? Will the numbers stay posted on DU or be removed for being "hurtful"?
Anyone want to open THAT can of worms?

[Rebellious Republican]

46. I will correct you on this point...

It is a southern hate thread, period.

[7962]

55. True, the southerners do seem to be an easy target here.

[Rebellious Republican]

56. 7962, please do not open the door on this. Thank you, I will try to restrain myself.....

as long as no one else jumps into the frey.

RR

[Barack_America]

48. I'd kill that motherfucker if that were my son.

One thing I know, injure my child in such a fashion and I'm coming for your life. I would gladly serve the time.

[alittlelark]

65. I am an uber pacifist... but if you F* w/ my kids ALL bets are off...

... I'm rather feral in that regard.... DO NOT F*CK w my KIDS !!!!

[rdharma]

59. If grumpy cat were a racist teabagger, he'd look like this guy!

[tblue37]

71. He shot that child IN THE FACE!

From a longer article I found, it sounds as though the shooter was either on drugs or mentally unstable.

If he has serious mental problems, though, then he should not have had a gun. What the extreme anti control people don't understand is that most of us just want reasonable measures--including background checks--to keep guns out of the hands of those who clearly should not have them.

[canonfodder]

72. Not again

Wonderful, you found a white-on-black crime.
How many black-on-black crimes have you reported?
How many black-on white crimes have you reported?
Here's one you can look at.
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/09/06/nypd-man-brain-dead-following-random-rampage-in-union-square/
Why aren't you upset with that? I'm sure you're aware of this...
An old Vet that was beat to death by teens. Remember that? That doesn't deserve reporting?
Don't try and try to tag that guy with a political affiliation as yet. That's been known to be a sharp razor.
Think before you post. Karma is a harsh mistress.

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

73. Blah, real racists, black on black, white on black, RW bullshit, false equivalencies blah blah blah.

Get lost on your way to stormfront?

[canonfodder]

74. I asked a question

It appears you are far more suited for that organization than I.
I express my opinions and questions, and you will NOT influence them. Got that?

[LiberalElite]

75. I'll answer your question with a question

Why is it that so many people wait till someone posts a comment decrying white-on-black crime to complain about black-on-white crime?

[canonfodder]

77. Why??

Why can't I ask a question without being accused of being something I'm not?
There was no controversy, no "decrying". Just a question.
Are you trying to "shut me down", for asking a question?
That's just sad.

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

78. Because acknowledging white on black racism makes YOU the real racist!!! Or something.

Over the past couple of months a "message" was sent out stressing that white people are the ultimate victims of racism, and that message has been carried to almost every blog and message board on the internet. Anytime there is a discussion on topics like this, we are reminded by the foot soldiers of white victim-hood that the racism black people experience either doesn't exist, or is usually overstated, and that white people really have had it rough lately. You can find this on Free Republic, Stormfront, Gawker, Fark, Reddit, and sadly here on DU and over at KOS.

[canonfodder]

79. sorry

I haven't seen that, I really haven't.
I know I have a low post count, but, might I request some further links.

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

80. Then I suggest you stop being stupid,

and get your head out of your ass.

[canonfodder]

81. I would suggest ....

you post links to support your position..
You are making accusations that are out of line.
Back them up, or shut up.
I asked questions, nothing more.
Are you the Stasi? Who are you to judge?

[Chemisse]

76. I suspect the guy was just out of his mind.

Who knows what he was thinking when he pulled the trigger? I don't think it is a hate crime, but it sure is a good example of why insane people should not be allowed to wander around raving and waving a gun.