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Why all the anti China hate regarding military cooperation (Original Post) Jeneral2885 Sep 2013 OP
I don't know if those people are all teabaggers... Democracyinkind Sep 2013 #1
Are the TEAbaggers out in force on that thread? JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #2
why Jeneral2885 Sep 2013 #3
China is not our friend FreakinDJ Sep 2013 #4
Thanks! JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #7
Business is not just business FreakinDJ Sep 2013 #9
Oh my dear JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #10
Very interesting information about Conflict Minerals Resolution in Dodd Frank. Thanks. n/t pampango Sep 2013 #11
I take it then Jeneral2885 Sep 2013 #12
Not me JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #14
I never said they were evil JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #8
"The pleasure of hating, like a poisonous mineral, eats into the heart of religion bemildred Sep 2013 #5
let them figure out how to run their boats. madrchsod Sep 2013 #6
They might include people who have studied Chinese history. n/t pnwmom Sep 2013 #13

Democracyinkind

(4,015 posts)
1. I don't know if those people are all teabaggers...
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 06:52 AM
Sep 2013

But they would certainly fit in well considering the garbage they post.

JustAnotherGen

(31,816 posts)
2. Are the TEAbaggers out in force on that thread?
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 08:16 AM
Sep 2013

Yeppers.

But I disagree with getting into bed with China for anything other the commerce.

JustAnotherGen

(31,816 posts)
7. Thanks!
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 09:25 AM
Sep 2013

Business is business but they can't come on our warships. Think about this - we don't let our employees travel to China with their devices, laptops, etc etc. Why? We are a huge supplier to Fed Gov.

And I don't give a shit about what we've done in rest of world. I give a shit about letting a Fox into the henhouse that has a habit of stealing our technology then selling it back to us at highway robbery prices. That doesn't help us to move towards self sufficiency as we rebuild our economy.

In my ideal US - we import only those things that cannot be provided by ourselves. There should never be a reason to import Chinese nationals for our military personnel.

Some things are simply the sole domain of America - and our military and military assets are two of those things.

 

FreakinDJ

(17,644 posts)
9. Business is not just business
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 09:54 AM
Sep 2013

The Chinese Communist Government has designed their tax laws and business environment to exploit existing loopholes in the US Corp Tax code. We fund their military expansion through the massive trade imbalance who is currently engaged in the hostile take over of Philippine, Vietnamese, and Japanese Territories.

China is actively engaged in attempting to destabilize the US currency, and on several occasions during Asian economic summits solicited the wide spread divestment of US Dollar Reserves.

It is ONLY Wall St. corruption that profits from this "partnership" between the US and China. The Working Class peoples of BOTH the US and China suffer immeasurably. Many many products produced in China and found on US store selves have been produced using Chinese Prison Labor.

I have nothing against the people of China and understand they are equally suppressed by their own government.

As for "Product we can not produce ourselves" - you should really stop drinking the "Free Trade Kool Aid" and do some honest research

JustAnotherGen

(31,816 posts)
10. Oh my dear
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 12:27 PM
Sep 2013

Im no free trader my friend. I'm actually somewhat of an isolationist.

Here's where I think we've got them - and Customs and Border Protection is going to be a HUGE help here. For more than two years I've been participating with other US companies as a representative of my company on the implementation of the Conflict Minerals Resolution hidden within Dodd Frank. That Resolution is sticking. And I'm telling you - the Chinese Manufacturers are NOT going to be compliant come January 1st. That means we - US Wireless Retailer can't bring their products into our DC's. I also handle Import / Export Control and I think CBP is going to be all over the ECCN's and the Country of Origin they are attached to.

It's about to get real interesting. . They don't care about children in Africa being enslaved - they don't. But come January - Americans are going to know all about blood minerals and about the true cost of that cute little iThing they are carrying around.

Now if there is some natural resource we can't source from the US and China has it and they want to sell it to a US fabricator well . . . It's just business. I hope they don't take it personal. Like for example - we have huge lithium reserves. All you have to do is look to the now defunct silver mines out west.


Either an American can feed her family or a Chinese National can get by . . . I pick the American - how about you? Just don't think every single person in Corporate America is a replicant. Some of us have a good case of the Working Man's blues real good - just takes patience to deliver the sucker punch.

JustAnotherGen

(31,816 posts)
14. Not me
Sun Sep 8, 2013, 12:59 PM
Sep 2013

I have Ankylosing Spondylitis and maintain a starch free diet. I also eat about 85% organic raw and try to eat as much wild caught fish, and grass fed and free range poultry . . . It's this or burn my stomache with NSAIDs and shoot myself up with hamster urine (Embrel) once a week.

When a Chinese Restaurant can offer me that diet - i will put it in my machine.

JustAnotherGen

(31,816 posts)
8. I never said they were evil
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 09:31 AM
Sep 2013

But I'm an "out for ourselves" person. There are brilliant people in China who are fully capable of operating their warships without coming onto ours.

They aren't idiots. I highly don't they can't figure out in their own.


And the man hours spent translate into payroll - that money could be better spent on elderly Americans, children in America, disabled Americans . . .

I'm sorry if it is offensive that charity and kindness begins at home in my own backyard.

Going to the food bank to volunteer for a few hours. I don't talk kindness and compassion for others around the world - I walk it in my own county.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
5. "The pleasure of hating, like a poisonous mineral, eats into the heart of religion
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 08:40 AM
Sep 2013

and turns it to rankling spleen and bigotry; it makes patriotism an excuse for carrying fire, pestilence, and famine into other lands: it leaves to virtue nothing but the spirit of censoriousness, and a narrow, jealous, inquisitorial watchfulness over the actions and motives of others."

Wm Hazlitt – On the Pleasure of Hating

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
6. let them figure out how to run their boats.
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 09:00 AM
Sep 2013

training the chinese navy command just might come back to haunt the usa in the future.

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