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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsA.F.L.-C.I.O. Has Plan to Add Millions of Nonunion Members
I love this idea ...
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/07/business/afl-cio-has-plan-to-add-millions-of-nonunion-members.html
Mr. Trumka says he believes that if unions are having a hard time increasing their ranks, they can at least restore their clout by building a broad coalition to advance a worker-friendly political and economic agenda. He has called for inviting millions of nonunion workers into the labor movement even if their own workplaces are not unionized. Not stopping there, he has proposed making progressive groups like the NAACP; the Sierra Club; the National Council of La Raza, a Hispanic civil rights group; and MomsRising, an advocacy group for womens and family issues either formal partners or affiliates of the A.F.L.-C.I.O.
The crisis for labor has deepened, Mr. Trumka said in an interview. Its at a point where we really must do something differently. We really have to experiment.
By crisis, he means myriad setbacks, including a steady loss of union membership, frequent defeats in organizing drives and unions being forced to accept multiyear wage freezes. Not only have labor leaders faced the embarrassing enactment of anti-union legislation in onetime labor strongholds like Wisconsin and Michigan, but they could not even win passage of legislation making it easier to unionize when President Obama was elected and the Democrats controlled the House and Senate.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Not sure what's keeping AFL from just doing it, other than inertia. This is basically what the SEIU split was about, for that matter.
earthside
(6,960 posts)I've thought for a long time that the labor movement, especially AFL-CIO needed to create a meaningful 'associated members' auxiliary.
I work for myself, I don't have a union I could join (except maybe the IWW), but I would absolutely join and pay even a nominal dues to a general union association to support organized labor.
Of course, how far are you away then from organized labor becoming its own political party or becoming an predominate influence in the Democratic Party? I'll bet that is why a lot of establishment 'corporate' Democrats aren't supportive of this idea.
Major Nikon
(36,818 posts)When I left the bargaining unit I became ineligible for full voting union membership, but for $250 per year I remain an associate member and have done so ever since. I still get all the literature the union sends to regular members and I could attend most meetings if I wished (I don't).
mick063
(2,424 posts)Happy to pay my dues. Those dues pay for a political voice in Washington DC.
I despise the idea of full time professional lobbyists in general. What I despise even more is not employing one when one is employed against me.
Major Nikon
(36,818 posts)I'm not sure to what extent unions have funded lobbying with dues money since the Citizen's United decision. The very first PAC that was created was formed by a union. USW has a PAC as do all large and even some smaller unions which is generally the best way to fund union lobbying. I currently give $650 per year to a union PAC over and above dues money and have for many years. It's a worthwhile investment.
mick063
(2,424 posts)Workers need a voice in Washington.
Workers need to play by the current rule set unless the rules are changed.
This includes tactics such as offering employment to legislators, at the conclusion of their term, to serve as an inside voice. I despise the notion of this tactic and would rather see legislation to stop the blatant bribing of elected Representatives, but one must be pragmatic here. The laws will not change to stop such bribery. Hence we must use the current format to our advantage.
Unions may be the best outlet to represent workers in Washington DC. People that complain about union dues don't fully grasp this.
Edit: As noted in other posts within this thread, feel free to substitute association with union. A person forced to pay union dues has a legitimate right to oppose dues being spent on political lobbying of an agenda that may not align with his own. Associations are a brilliant idea as the dues are voluntary.
global1
(25,225 posts)I'm for what Trumka is trying to do - but unfortunately - like it or not - unions have kind of a negative image in many Americans minds. We need to change the dynamic and the moniker. Call it an association of workers and any rules or laws that were designed to keep unions down wouldn't apply. If Politicians then tried to legislate against an association of workers - that would also hurt the NRA which is an association and the NRA wouldn't stand for that.
global1
(25,225 posts)thinking about I'm in complete agreement with him. If he can take even some of the ideas that I've posted below - this could be fantastic.
Here's my post of the idea and a link of all the responses this generated is below the text of this idea:
*The Time Is Right For A "National Workers Association"......
Given the fact that unions in the U.S. are taking hits and union membership is down and the power of unions has been diminished over the years since the Reagan presidency - I'm thinking that we need to look at the plight of the worker in the United States from a different perspective.
Right-to-work laws have contributed to the decreasing role of unions in the U.S. According to Wikipedia a right-to-work law is a statute in the United States of America that prohibits union security agreements, or agreements between labor unions and employers that govern the extent to which an established union can require employees' membership, payment of union dues, or fees as a condition of employment, either before or after hiring.
"Right-to-work" laws do not, as the short phrase might suggest, aim to provide a general guarantee of employment to people seeking work, but rather are a government regulation of the contractual agreements between employers and labor unions that prevents them from excluding non-union workers.
Because right-to-work laws have impacted the worker and workers rights, wages and unions in the U.S. then it seems to me that we have to come up with a different and new way of promoting workers rights in the U.S. I'm thinking that we need to model a workers rights organization after the National Rifle Association model. The NRA has become a formidable lobbying group for gun owners and proponents of gun rights. The NRA has done this with a membership of 4.3 million. With the population of the U.S. at approximately 312.8 million people this means the NRA membership is approximately 1.37% of the total population of the United States.
Note: This post is not about gun control nor does it have anything to do with the recent Newtown tragedy. This post is about 'workers rights'. Please don't make this a post about gun control - I simply am using the NRA as an example of an effective organization.
According to Wikipedia in June 2009 there were 306, 000, 000 people living in the United States of which there were about 155,000,000 people that are employed. This means that approximate 51% of the U.S. population would be classified as workers.
If we were able to form an organization of workers where workers would pay a membership fee to join - just like the NRA - and if we were able to convince about 26% of the work force to join - an organization of workers could have a membership of 40,000,000 people compared to 4,300,000 million members of the NRA or approximately a 10 fold increase over the number of members in the NRA. If the NRA has been able to become a formidable lobbying force in this country with 4.3 million members - just think what a National Workers Association could become with 40 million members.
Every worker or potential worker would be eligible to become a member of the NWA. Membership dues could be nominal at $35.00 per year per worker. That would net such an organization $1.4 billion dollars. Just think of the power that this amount of money would bring to lobbying for workers and promoting workers rights to combat the push back we as workers are getting from the corporations that are running this country.
Now what would this organization be called and what would it stand for. Here is my first attempt at trying to describe such and organization of workers:
Note: consider this a work in process.
"The National Workers Association of America (NWA) would be organized as an American non-profit 501(c)(4) lobbying group that advocates for the protection of working people in the United States, and the promotion of workers rights including the right to work; free choice of employment; just and favorable conditions of work and unemployment protection. The NWA would support the right to equal treatment, regardless of gender, origin and appearance, religion, sexual orientation. Equal pay for equal work; just and favorable remuneration ensuring the worker and his/her family an existence worthy of human dignity and the right to rest and leisure, with reasonable limitation of working hours and periodic holidays with pay.
The NWA could have an education component and sponsor training courses in career building, skills training, resume composition, resume posting, interviewing skills and provide assistance with short term vocational training, supportive services to obtain GED placement, vocational rehabilitation. The NWA could provide members with a job registry including job search advice. The NWA would make available salary surveys/advice, human resource and unemployment assistance. It would also be a clearing house for programs that would provide workers career counseling and retraining for new careers. "
Again - looking at the NRA as an example of an effective organization - the NWA could have state and local chapters. It could initially be organized around current unions and they could immediately become the core of such an organization. The NWA could have local, state and national meetings. The NWA could have a monthly journal and newsletter and of course a website - complete with all the social networking tools that are available (i.e., Twitter, Facebook, etc). There could be specialty sections in the NWA that align around groups of workers (i.e., hotel workers; restaurant workers; plumbers; electricians; truckers; etc) in order to give all workers a voice.
The point being is that we as workers need someone to go to bat for us and we need to have the lobbying muscle to compete with the corporations. With the formation of an NWA - we would be going to bat for ourselves.
I'm tired of all the strong rhetoric that goes on before an election and then the 'bait and switch' weaseling that goes on after pols are elected. It's time that we organize and have and apply leverage in order to protect our interests. I'm thinking that our elected officials would take heed and listen to such an organization with such a voice.
I'm throwing this idea out there and am looking for some constructive criticism in the formation of such an entity. It seems to me that we can do anything that we set our mind to and a National Workers Association would go a long way in giving the common worker in the U.S. to prevent any additional erosion of "Jobs In America".
What do my fellow DU'ers out there think about this? Here's a link to the responses this got:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022032941
Scuba
(53,475 posts)JEB
(4,748 posts)I am self employed and would join in a second. Working class needs to organize to fit the new economy.
The Blue Flower
(5,434 posts)This idea should be widely circulated. In fact, it would be a great precursor to a Workers Party.
global1
(25,225 posts)if you can do that I would appreciate that. Also if anyone want to take my Post #4 and Tweet it out there or put it on Facebook - that would be great too. Make it viral. There's a seed of an idea there that I think would be good for the workers of this country and maybe get workers on a more equal ground with corporations that are decimating the 99%er's in this country.
The Blue Flower
(5,434 posts)Ed has Trumka on regularly. Ask him to get it to Trumka. It's a very powerful concept and you've proposed it well.
global1
(25,225 posts)if you can try and succeed that would be great. Thanks.
felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)Thank you for posting this, and for everything you are doing!
marble falls
(57,013 posts)Gemini Cat
(2,820 posts)I'd join. It's time for workers to stand in solidarity.
vanlassie
(5,663 posts)To beat out my SEIU union, I quit in disgust. They (local yokels) were not going to get my money. I would love to rejoin a REAL union again.
demmiblue
(36,823 posts)CrispyQ
(36,424 posts)Hell yeah.
American workers better wake up!
markiv
(1,489 posts)SEIU is a perfect example - they lobby hard for a guest worker program. it would make life easier for their undocumented membership
but it dillutes the labor pool overall, which hurts wage and working conditions - it's Econ 101
the original issues of wage and working conditions were 100 percent clear and legitimate - it solved the disadvantage of united management against divided labor
buy when you add priorities, what was once priority may no longer be.
you can easily explain to a union worker why wages and working conditions are in his/her interest
but what if he/she disagrees with the other priorities? is he/she then told what to think and to shut up?
it's not that the other issues dont matter, and many union members may want to support those causes via multiple memnerships, many already do
but it should be choice - otherwise, some workers may wonder why they support their union at all
this risks the union becoming just another United Way - an organization of bundled issues elbowing itself into the workplace, a bundle of priorities that while the worker may agree with some of them, they might disagree with other and they had NO SAY in any of them. but he/she has to 'pony up'......or else
jwirr
(39,215 posts)small amount of dues. This may be the way to strengthen the union and involve others who are interested in the fight. I am.
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)It would allow for at least something.
And I live the alignment with other groups. That is key to organizing to gain an keep power. Quit hiding what organized labor is all about politically, endorse all things and groups good for workers.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)In latin america?
With the revolutionary developments in Cuba, the AFL-CIO, the US Government and the biggest transnational corporations saw the need for an efficiently operating mechanism among Latin American unions. They created the AIFLD by 1962. A US Comptroller General's report says "In May 1961 the AFL-CIO approached private foundations, business men, and government agencies to seek financing for the planned Institute". One of the foundations it applied to was the Michigan Fund, identified by Congressional sources as a conduit for CIA money. AIFLD found welcome open pockets in the business group. George Meany, President of the AFL-CIO and also of AIFLD, boasted support from the "largest corporations in the United States . . . Rockefeller, ITT, Kennecott, Standard Oil, Shell Petroleum . . . Anaconda, even Readers Digest. . . and although some of these companies have no connection whatsoever to US trade unions, they are all agreed that it was really in the US interest to help develop free trade unions in Latin America, and that's why they contributed so much money".
http://www.archive.org/stream/AnAnalysisOfOurAfl-cioRoleInLatinAmericaOrUnderTheCoversWithThe/Hirsh3_djvu.txt
U.S. Labor Reps. Conspired to Overthrow Elected Governments in Latin America
http://www.laboreducator.org/darkpast4.htm
i haven't been following them lately but my sense is they are the "establishment" union. One need only look at results...