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kpete

(71,978 posts)
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 01:11 PM Sep 2013

We're getting played.

The Gulf Cooperation Council urges intervention to ‘rescue’ Syrians
http://news.yahoo.com/gulf-urges-intervention-resc...


Gulf nations support international measures to "deter the Syrian regime from committing its inhumane practices," he added.

The GCC consists of Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates.

Saudi Arabia -- the bloc's heavyweight, has been pushing for a US-led strike on Syrian forces loyal to President Bashar al-Assad.


So, the Sunni Muslim countries join together to call upon us a *Christian/oh, f'ck no* nation to get rid of the one secular nation still standing in the region. We're getting played.

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We're getting played. (Original Post) kpete Sep 2013 OP
yes but in return we get piles of astroturf on DU :-) fair trade or not? nt msongs Sep 2013 #1
Remember Steve Kangas? Octafish Sep 2013 #10
Why would they stop with setting up RW institutions, they also set up orgs on the left...nt Jesus Malverde Sep 2013 #14
I think you mean "left." Jackpine Radical Sep 2013 #32
Every crooked game needs a shill. zeemike Sep 2013 #35
+1 Jesus Malverde Sep 2013 #36
They have to maintain the illusion of choice. n/t Egalitarian Thug Sep 2013 #43
The pretend "left". Enthusiast Sep 2013 #47
Thanks for this. Enthusiast Sep 2013 #48
If anyone in that region deserves to be bombed MNBrewer Sep 2013 #2
Those decadent Kuwaiti fuckers deserve several swift kicks in the ass too, partying HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #5
Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates. kenny blankenship Sep 2013 #3
It amazes me that these countries are the ones touted as great allies polly7 Sep 2013 #15
just goes to show it is not about doing what is right. This whole thing is about Isreal and Iran. liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #21
I noticed that when John Kerry was listing off the countries that were with us on this intervention. liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #4
Oh, come on, a Muslim is a Muslim is a Muslim tavalon Sep 2013 #38
Group name for that lot is al-jolson dipsydoodle Sep 2013 #6
Bandar Bush is worried about what happens if the natives get restless. Octafish Sep 2013 #7
The Saudi royals are way more evil than Assad MNBrewer Sep 2013 #8
Exactly. jsr Sep 2013 #12
Why are they sitting so far apart? How stand-offish. In contrast, AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #41
But, the precious... Octafish Sep 2013 #19
You got that right. Little Star Sep 2013 #28
That reminds me of a little quiz I use to give to my less informed friends: tavalon Sep 2013 #39
Maybe they'll handle it then. polichick Sep 2013 #9
Bandar Bush is a master manipulator... HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #11
Kerry said in the hearing that the Arab countries will pay the US to "do the whole thing." enough Sep 2013 #13
" That’s not in the cards, and nobody’s talking about it" Jesus Malverde Sep 2013 #16
Especially when his next words are "but they’re talking in serious ways about getting this done." enough Sep 2013 #25
Yeah & I'll pay for my next door neighbor to come clean my toilet bowl. What are we stupid????? Little Star Sep 2013 #29
On another note mick063 Sep 2013 #17
It would be better to 'rescue' Bahrainis from their Saudi-appointed masters n/t n2doc Sep 2013 #18
Yep, this is a blast from the past, tavalon Sep 2013 #20
Kudos for 'silverspoon sociopath' - nt HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #23
Thanks, but I think I might have stolen it tavalon Sep 2013 #31
When are we not? pscot Sep 2013 #22
When have we not been played? felix_numinous Sep 2013 #24
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #26
And yet somehow those six countries are powerless to do anything about Syria themselves. arcane1 Sep 2013 #27
Our military are but their puppets. They pull the strings and we dance. Little Star Sep 2013 #30
I wonder how many Syrians regugees have these Gulf states accepted? snagglepuss Sep 2013 #33
11-Dimensional Rope-a-Dope blkmusclmachine Sep 2013 #34
They are trying to make us take sides. We can't, but we can pressure them to stop Cleita Sep 2013 #37
There were reports that the Saudis are backing the 'rebels' and that it was from the Saudis the sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #45
My understanding is that it's a proxy war between us, our allies and Russia and it's allies. Cleita Sep 2013 #46
This is not a secular nation Sand Wind Sep 2013 #40
The enemy of my enemy Motown_Johnny Sep 2013 #42
So why don't they use their own military to do it? Are we 'for hire' now due the big 'law sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #44

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
10. Remember Steve Kangas?
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 01:18 PM
Sep 2013
Origins of the Overclass

EXCERPT...

The political machine they built is broad and comprehensive, covering every aspect of the political fight. It includes right-wing departments and chairs in the nation’s top universities, think tanks, public relations firms, media companies, fake grassroots organizations that pressure Congress (irreverently known as "Astroturf" movements), "Roll-out-the-vote" machines, pollsters, fax networks, lobbyist organizations, economic seminars for the nation’s judges, and more. And because corporations are the richest sector of society, their greater financing overwhelms similar efforts by Democrats.

Besides creating foundations, the CIA helped organize the business community. There have always been special interest groups representing business, like the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the National Association of Manufacturers, and the CIA has long been involved with them. However, after 1973, a spate of powerful new groups would come into existence, like the Business Roundtable and the Trilateral Commission. These organizations quickly became powerhouses in promoting the business agenda.

Their efforts clearly succeeded. With the 1975 SUN-PAC decision, corporations persuaded government to legalize corporate Political Action Committees (the lobbyist organizations that bribe our government). By 1992, corporations formed 67 percent of all PACs, and they donated 79 percent of all campaign contributions to political parties. (20) In two landmark elections — 1980 and 1994 — corporations gave heavily and one-sidedly to Republicans, turning one or both houses of Congress over to the GOP. Democratic incumbents were shocked by the threat of being rolled completely out of power, so they quietly shifted to the right on economic issues, even though they continued a public façade of liberalism. Corporations went ahead and donated to Democratic incumbents in all other elections, but only as long as they abandoned the interests of workers, consumers, minorities and the poor. As expected, the new pro-corporate Congress passed laws favoring the rich: between 1975 and 1992, the amount of national household wealth owned by the richest 1 percent soared from 22 to 42 percent. (21)

The CIA also helped create the conservative think tank movement. Prior to the 70s, think tanks spanned the political spectrum, with moderate think tanks receiving three times as much funding as conservative ones. At these early think tanks, scholars typically brainstormed for creative solutions to policy problems. This would all change after the rise of conservative foundations in the early 70s. The Heritage Foundation opened its doors in 1973, the recipient of $250,000 in seed money from the Coors Foundation. A flood of conservative think tanks followed shortly thereafter, and by 1980 they overwhelmed the scene. The new think tanks turned out to be little more than propaganda mills, rigging studies to "prove" that their corporate sponsors needed tax breaks, deregulation and other favors from government.

Of course, think-tank studies are useless without publicity, and here the CIA proved especially valuable. Using propaganda techniques it had perfected at the Voice of America and Radio Free Europe, the CIA and its allies turned American AM radio into a haven for conservative talk show hosts. Yes — Rush Limbaugh uses the same propaganda techniques that Muscovites once heard from Voice of America. The CIA has also developed countless other media outlets, like Capital Cities (which eventually bought ABC), major PR firms like Hill & Knowlton, and of course, all the Agency’s connections in the national news media. (22)

CONTINUED...

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-overclass.html

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
35. Every crooked game needs a shill.
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 03:00 PM
Sep 2013

And yes they set up ones on the "left"...or infiltrate the legitimate ones to control them...that is why you see so many that are ineffective and just seem to be interested in raising money for the cause.
The shills provide easy targets for them to attack and direct out attention away from the important things to them and toward the things they don't care about.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
48. Thanks for this.
Sun Sep 8, 2013, 09:08 AM
Sep 2013

I see the think tank voices on C-Span's Washington Journal every single day. They give them more credence than anyone outside of the Wall Street Journal. I suspect C-Span was created to serve as a mechanism of misinformation too.

 

HardTimes99

(2,049 posts)
5. Those decadent Kuwaiti fuckers deserve several swift kicks in the ass too, partying
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 01:15 PM
Sep 2013

down in Cairo while U.S. soldiers "liberated" their potentate back during Gulf War I.

kenny blankenship

(15,689 posts)
3. Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates.
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 01:13 PM
Sep 2013

famous humanitarians all, and renowned for their love of democracy!

polly7

(20,582 posts)
15. It amazes me that these countries are the ones touted as great allies
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 01:22 PM
Sep 2013

when their treatment of their own people is so backward and brutal .... especially when we're supposedly 'liberating' people nation by nation from secular gov'ts that have provided social programs and at least a semblance of equality .. for women, especially.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
21. just goes to show it is not about doing what is right. This whole thing is about Isreal and Iran.
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 01:38 PM
Sep 2013

Isreal has been putting pressure on Obama for a long time now. It looks like it is working.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
4. I noticed that when John Kerry was listing off the countries that were with us on this intervention.
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 01:14 PM
Sep 2013

Hmmm. Almost all of the countries on our side are Sunni Muslim countries.

Yeah, no civil war here.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
7. Bandar Bush is worried about what happens if the natives get restless.
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 01:15 PM
Sep 2013

There won't be much mercy from the oppressed for the rOil familes anywhere. The non-royal "subjects" of Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates have seen how their betters spend the oil revenue. Casino IOUs, private 747s and yachts the size of Jerry Jones' ego are not much for improving the quality of life for the locals.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
19. But, the precious...
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 01:32 PM
Sep 2013

...Big Oil is the biggest game there is. Even bigger than war, seeing how annual oil sales are more than what all the world's governments spend, combined, each year.

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
39. That reminds me of a little quiz I use to give to my less informed friends:
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 03:10 PM
Sep 2013

Given that all of the hijackers who destroyed the Twin Towers were Saudi Arabian and given that the person taking credit for the atrocity (also a Saudi) was known to have fled to Afghanistan, which country do we attack?

A) Saudi Arabia
B) Afghanistan
C) Iraq

I feel like I've seen this movie before, only last time, it had the silverspoon sociopath George W. Bush as the aggressor and Colin Powell as his lackey, lying us into war. This time, it has the Constitutional scholar Barack Obama as the aggressor and John Kerry is playing his lackey, trying to lie us into war.

enough

(13,255 posts)
13. Kerry said in the hearing that the Arab countries will pay the US to "do the whole thing."
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 01:21 PM
Sep 2013

He sounded pretty excited about it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics-live/liveblog/the-houses-syria-hearing-live-updates/?id=e68f139f-e012-476c-876e-2467ba30e5e3

Thanks to unhappycamper who posted this story in the Foreign Policy forum yesterday. I'm still taking it in.


Secretary of State John Kerry said at Wednesday’s hearing that Arab counties have offered to pay for the entirety of unseating President Bashar al-Assad if the United States took the lead militarily.

“With respect to Arab countries offering to bear costs and to assess, the answer is profoundly yes,” Kerry said. “They have. That offer is on the table.”

Asked by Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-Fla.) about how much those countries would contribute, Kerry said they have offered to pay for all of a full invasion.

“In fact, some of them have said that if the United States is prepared to go do the whole thing the way we’ve done it previously in other places, they’ll carry that cost,” Kerry said. “That’s how dedicated they are at this. That’s not in the cards, and nobody’s talking about it, but they’re talking in serious ways about getting this done.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
16. " That’s not in the cards, and nobody’s talking about it"
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 01:22 PM
Sep 2013

If nobody is talking about it, how can he be so sure.

enough

(13,255 posts)
25. Especially when his next words are "but they’re talking in serious ways about getting this done."
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 02:15 PM
Sep 2013

Hard to see how we're supposed to swallow this.

 

mick063

(2,424 posts)
17. On another note
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 01:23 PM
Sep 2013

The price of gasoline went up again.


I'm urging intervention by the Gulf Cooperation Council to address this. We need to "rescue" the poor in America.

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
20. Yep, this is a blast from the past,
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 01:35 PM
Sep 2013

missing only the Mission Accomplished banner, which, if we allow ourselves to played like this again, should show up around the mid terms.

I thought at least this shit would go away when the silverspoon sociopath and his handlers did.

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
31. Thanks, but I think I might have stolen it
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 02:40 PM
Sep 2013

I've been using it for so many years, I can't remember who I stole it from.

felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
24. When have we not been played?
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 01:56 PM
Sep 2013

I really wish that were not so, and most adults, especially after waking up to this don't want to think about it because it is SO insulting.

I WANT to respect and trust leadership and in practice do, but with increasing reservation each time the truth comes out. It's a fking game to them.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
37. They are trying to make us take sides. We can't, but we can pressure them to stop
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 03:02 PM
Sep 2013

weaponizing the rebel factions. Maybe even calling them on what you said might shame them into compliance. Russia, China and others need to agree to stop selling weapons to Assad as well. You can't fight a war without artillery.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
45. There were reports that the Saudis are backing the 'rebels' and that it was from the Saudis the
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 04:55 PM
Sep 2013

rebels got the CW they used in March.

This isn't a Civil War, it is a regional war and we are the 'hired enforcers' it seems.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
46. My understanding is that it's a proxy war between us, our allies and Russia and it's allies.
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 04:58 PM
Sep 2013

I would rather we treat with the Russians and agree not to arm either Assad or the rebels. We can decide what we want from each other to stop this. Disarming these factions is the first step to stopping what are atrocities being committed all around. There are no good guys in this conflict.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
44. So why don't they use their own military to do it? Are we 'for hire' now due the big 'law
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 04:52 PM
Sep 2013

enforcement' machine we have built up?

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