It's not a repeat of Iraq.

[woo me with science]

It's not a repeat, or just going down the same road all over again, which would mean we have nothing to fear but more of the status quo. It's an extension, an escalation, a moving forward of a predatory agenda that will destroy all of us. Only two countries left on the PNAC list.

One of them is Iran.

Look at how this country has been changed just since 2001. The middle class and our treasures of education and infrastructure and social structures hollowed out and millions of us slaves to debt, our free society twisted into an authoritarian surveillance state, journalism strangled and replaced with incessant Orwellian droning for war...and fat bankers buying private islands and jets with the money that is supposed to feed and educate our children and create a healthy place for them to live.

Just imagine what this country will look like in ten more years, if we let them get away with this.

[msongs]

1. 12 and half years of pillaging the people of the USA and look where it's gotten us nt

[woo me with science]

3. We cannot afford to let it continue.

We may not be able to save ourselves as it stands now. We can't afford to let it continue.

[lastlib]

18. Try 33.......

Go back to Reagan, when the rape/pillage/plunder dogs were let loose. Union-busting came into its own, the MIC was gorged to the nth degree, belligerent war became policy (Grenada, El Salvador). Then we got daddy B*sh and Gulf War I; had he been re-elected, I have little doubt that we would've gone back to Iraq then, and gone to work on Iran. The Gingrich crowd in the 90's was gung-ho for anything the corporate masters wanted, and Clinton appeased them all he could. B*sh-lite simply carried the torch forward.

[Little Star]

2. Same shit different day.

[Little Star]

4. Same shit different day.

[pscot]

5. Same shit, different day

[AnotherMcIntosh]

6. K&R.

[HardTimes99]

7. Plain ole imperialism - nt

[Egalitarian Thug]

8. K&R And let's not forget the diminution of government in the eyes of the people.

At least nominally, we are the government. It is us that is supposed to empower and control it, and it is the only defense the people have against the parasite class, short of bloody revolution.

[woo me with science]

23. We sure aren't the ones being represented. nt

[Egalitarian Thug]

25. No, we aren't. But I think that that is not necessarily a permanent condition.

We've spent over 30 years electing people that hate government to run government, this is what happens.

The good news is that there are still millions of dedicated, competent people on the ground working in that government, doing what they can to make it work despite their boss' incompetence.

[CrispyQ]

9. Much as I hate to admit it, I'm a total glass half empty type.

These people are out of control. They want it all. The whole fucking planet.

[bvar22]

10. DURec.

"Do not go gently into that good night."
I won't.

[liberal_at_heart]

11. I bet Cheney is still trying to influence things even though he is no longer in office. You could

just tell he was chomping at the bit to invade Iran when he was VP.

[sulphurdunn]

14. The living dead

should have no influence over affairs of the living.

[kenny blankenship]

12. Same Shit, Attractive New Wrapper.

And by "same" I don't mean to say it can't get a whole lot worse from here, and quickly, for the reasons you mentioned.

[DissidentVoice]

15. Which is bitterly disappointing to me

I voted for Mr. Obama twice.

However, in several ways he has bitterly disappointed me.

First, by not pushing for single-payer health care.
Second, by caving on the public option.
Third, by extending the USA Patriot Act.
Fourth, by not closing Guantanamo Bay.
Fifth - this Syria bullshit.

[sabrina 1]

16. First on my list of disappointments came almost immediately after we won the WH for him when

made it clear that War Criminals were going to be given a pass. That he thought, without asking US, that it would be better for the country to 'move forward' from War Crimes. He never said there were no War Crimes committed, he just said it would be best to just 'move forward'.

And now, this same person who totally ignored the suffering, the killing, the torture, the displacement, of millions of Iraqis, many of whom are still trying to get a little justice, who 'tolerated' massive War Crimes, is not trying to convince us that 'we cannot tolerate war crimes'.

All I can think of when I hear him selling this latest, potential war crime in action is Fallujah, the Cluster Bombing of the Market Place in Iraq, the shelling of the Wedding Party, and the mothers fleeing with their babies, for some too late.

I wish he would not keep reminding me.

Maybe he has had a change of heart and now doesn't think we should 'move forward from war crimes'. Maybe this means, his intense concern for War Crimes, that we will be seeing some prosecutions here soon???

[DissidentVoice]

24. We can only hope

Personally, I wouldn't hold my breath.

[KG]

13. it's a clusterfuck of its own waiting to happen...

[Dragonfli]

19. O.T. - your new sig line is brilliant. /nt

[KG]

20. thank Roger Waters

for our Global Anthem

[Dragonfli]

21. I see, he has been the root of much brilliance in his time and this is no exception

You honored him well by applying his thought to Syria as he would no doubt agree it's applicable and quite the sort of thing he was expressing.

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

17. We have been looted by the MIC

Pure and simple.

The question still remains,

WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT IT ?

[leftstreet]

22. DURec

[felix_numinous]

26. Half of the country was conditioned

and successfully brainwashed into being their groupies. But many of them are waking up now and realizing we are ALL screwn.

I live in a red area and take the opportunity to point this out, how Americans have been divided and conquered, and the only way out is for the majority if us to start working together on this.

This is NOT partisan politics, and cannot be allowed to turn into that--or any other differences we have. All petty bullshit gets put aside NOW, if we have any chance for a peaceful or sustainable future.