I'm with Grayson and Palin! Let Allah sort 'em out!

[Drunken Irishman]

Why should *I* care what's happening in Syria? They're brown people, no? The world needs less brown babies.

Maybe Grayson and Palin can run for president in 2016! I'd vote for that ticket. Yes, let Allah sort 'em out!

GO GRAYSON!

[David__77]

1. Do you want to bomb the "brown people?"

What the hell are you even trying to say?

[Drunken Irishman]

2. I'm sayin' let Allah sort 'em out.

Obviously what Assad is doing is working. Soon, he'll have killed up to a million Syrians.

[David__77]

3. So you want the US to stay out of it?

I'd agree with that. And go further, and withdraw assistance to the insurgents.

[Drunken Irishman]

4. Sure!

Hopefully Assad can stay in power for a long, long time. He's doing a great job of killing.

[lumpy]

27. You are naughty. Come on we know you lost the sarcasm button.

Some one has called you a troll. That's naughty also.

[LostOne4Ever]

5. 0/10

Obvious troll is obvious.

[Tx4obama]

7. He is NOT a troll. It is called sarcasm

[LostOne4Ever]

9. Definition

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)


[div class="excerpt" style="margin-left:1em; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-radius:0.4615em; box-shadow:3px 3px 3px #999999;"]In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people,[1] by posting inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog), either accidentally[3][4] or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[5] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[6]
While this sense of the word troll and its associated verb trolling are associated with Internet discourse, media attention in recent years has made such labels subjective, with trolling also used to describe intentionally provocative actions and harassment outside of an online context. For example, mass media has used troll to describe "a person who defaces Internet tribute sites with the aim of causing grief to families."[7][8]

It may have been but it was also trolling.

[stevenleser]

11. If we are going to use that definition, 80% of DU needs to be tombstoned now. nt

[LostOne4Ever]

12. That might actually help

Would be alot better than the anti-war people calling the pro-war people Hitler, and the pro-war people suggesting the anti-war people like me are holocaust appeasers.

I thought we were supposed to be dems and liberals here? The big tent party that is inclusive of everyone and the ideology of openmindedness and tolerance? Some people here sure don't act like it.

It seems like all I see from some posters is hate and intolerance. Ideological purity tests and accusation of betrayinng the party. I like this site and forum but some people seem to go out of their way to do nothing but piss the people who disagree with them off.

I am against the war, poster X is for it. Instead of giving our logic and reasons for our positions and either coming around to the other side or agreeing to disagree it seems like some here just want to play a game of one upmanship with each other. Who can build themselves up at the expense of others.

Let me make things clear. I did not do the alert on the original poster and I am not calling for him to be tombstoned. Im just calling a spade a spade. This was an attempt to troll and a pretty bad one at that.

[mythology]

14. But name calling is so much easier than reasoned debate

Plus if I call you the worst name, then not only do I win the argument, but I'm morally superior to you. So neener neener.

[LostOne4Ever]

15. +100

Now that was funny

I bow to your logic!

[stevenleser]

18. I would pay good money if it would stop the ad-hominems and straw men and the like.

It's not going to happen unfortunately. The DU community decides via jury what and what is not community standards and it is very difficult to get all of those people to change their minds on what the standards should be.

And you know what the worst part is? The insanity we have seen with the NSA/Snowden/Manning/Assange/Greenwald and the Syria debacles is NOTHING, I MEAN NOTHING, compared to what this place will be like in 2015-2016 if someone with even a shadow of a chance, particularly if that person is a progressive, challenges Hillary for the nomination. If that happens, DU will erupt into a holy hell the likes of which has not ever seen before.

[LostOne4Ever]

19. I agree with you

But just because others decide to roll in the mud, that does not mean we have to does it? Im sure both of us have our buttons and will slip here and there but we can disagree with each other with respect can we not? Maybe, if we set an example others will follow it?

I am also certain you are 100% correct on what will happen if a progressive does show up to challenge Hillary. I will probably either hide both names like I did to Snowden or will hide out in a group if that happens.

But no matter how bad it gets now or in the future it is important to remember, no matter what side you support, we are all striving to do what is right and make the world a better place.

[stevenleser]

20. On certain issues the folks who behave badly dominate the discussions. I dramatized it here in this

OP regarding the Snowden NSA stuff: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1102&pid=11839

You couldn't have a decent discussion on Greenwald/Snowden's NSA allegations.

[Scootaloo]

35. If we HAVE to do freezerpizza, I'd prefer digiorno, please

I mean, tombstone's not bad, i suppose - it's not like red baron-level disgusting... but digiorno's is bar-none the best freezerpizza you could hope for

[lumpy]

28. It's sarcasm doncha' know.

[Cha]

6. You had me goin' for a second there, Irish..

I should have known better.

[stevenleser]

8. Jury Results...

At Sat Sep 7, 2013, 10:51 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

I'm with Grayson and Palin! Let Allah sort 'em out!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023620807

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

Although this is an attempt at satire, it is poorly done. It is racist and flame bait. It is offensive and should be hidden.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Sep 7, 2013, 10:59 PM, and the Jury voted 3-3 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT and said: The BOG needs to try to at least remain sane.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Alerter, No. You disagree with poster but that is not a reason to hide the post. The post is not racist, it's not flame bait, and it is not offensive or any of the other hideworthy criteria. The OP is quoting Palin and Grayson is on the same side with Palin on Syria. I happen to agree with Grayson (I wont say I agree with Palin, if she is right, I am sure it's by accident)
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT and said: I have to agree with the alerter

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[bluestate10]

10. Thak God there were 3 sane people on that jury who understood sarcasm. nt

[lumpy]

29. Must be some people who are personally biased on that jury. That is a jury NoNo in any

court.

[Cha]

31. The juror who's so concerned about the BOG is very touching.

Too bad Irish's post quoting Grayson got to stand.

The alerter wrote "..the post is racist".. among the other accusations..

Well that settles it then. Grayson and Palin are racist.

mahalo steven

[wandy]

13. Why don't we try this.....

Continue to pressure the UN while attempting to gather international support.
Provide humanitarian aid where possible.
Go so far as to try to open a channel with Russia in an attempt to convince them that the current situation may not be in their best interests.

A go it alone attack on a sovereign country simply because you do not like their internal conflicts resembles the actions of a rouge state.

[Tx4obama]

17. Pressure the UN? That will not work...

For the UN to do something they have to have a 'unanimous' vote.

Russia is good buddies with Assad/Syria so we will never get Russia to vote yes.

And China is not going to vote yes either.

[wandy]

22. Now hang on a moment......

With as nuts as this situation is it may be possible to convince the Russians that the situation in Syria is not in their best interest. How long before Assad gets crazy on them? The various rebel hordes haven't been doing all that bad without our help. The prospect of Syria remaining in a years long civil/religious war may not be appealing to the Russians.

As to leveraging the UN it could start something like this.....
We have long supported you. You have counted on us to be first and foremost in you're efforts. If you wish that support to continue, do something. It need not be military. You are the world body, act like it.

Yes when all else fails we will probably need to go over there and bash the hell out of somebody.
To our own detriment.
Do I have to say it.

As our bridges crumble, our children go hungry and our people die for lack of medical care.

[Tx4obama]

23. I still think there's nothing that can be said to Russia and China to get them to vote yes

and since they are voting members - nothing can be done without their two votes.

[wandy]

26. Nothing military. The UN is supposed to be a peace keeping orginasion....

They could explore other alternatives, you know do their job.
Or is it possible that the UN is as useless as the republicans claim it to be. Which would be about as useless as the republicans in congress.

[Reiyuki]

49. How about NATO?

[lumpy]

30. Agree that pressure needs to continue at the UN.etc.

Gather international support -That has been in the works

Open a channel with Russia - That has been in the works.

I don't agree that humanitarian aid should be dispensed in Syria, that could end up anywhere.
Any workers who might manage to get into Syria would be under threat. I believe humanitarian aid should be delivered to the countries who are sheltering thousands and thousands of Syrian refugees.

[wandy]

32. "Countries who are sheltering ", thank you, that's what I meant just didn't say it all..

so too very good.

[NuclearDem]

16. Better to stay out of it than recklessly endanger far more lives.

[AgingAmerican]

21. Please link to where Grayson said any of that

Thanks in advance.

[Tx4obama]

25. What Grayson 'DID' say is on the two links below

Rep. Alan Grayson Cackles That Syrian Atrocities ‘Simply Not Our Problem’

VIDEO here: http://www.mediaite.com/online/rep-alan-grayson-cackles-that-syrian-atrocities-simply-not-our-problem/

The debate over military action in Syria has produced a landfill’s worth of stupidity, from every side of the debate, and every corner of the political media. This is somewhat predictable, as we all know what opinions are like, but on Thursday night’s All In with Chris Hayes, “Congressman with Guts™” Alan Grayson (D-FL) made a bold incursion, from stupid into contemptible.
-snip-

---

Grayson on Syria: "This Literally Has Nothing to Do With Us"

here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251322031

And be sure while checking out the Grayson OP on the link above don't miss the DOZEN hyper-links embedded in that OP that take ya to a page to DONATE MONEY to his campaign fund!

The other day I started clicking on those hyper-links to his statements to see more 'info' and all I got was donation pages.

To use the Syria issue as a fundraiser, imo, is pretty f'ing unbelievable and disgusting!

Until this past week I used to support him 100% - but NOT any more!

---

Oh, and also Grayson said last Wednesday on the Ed Show that Syria 'is none of our business'

[Cha]

33. Thankfully "Hayes pushed back".. said Grayson's statement sounded "morally obtuse". Bam!

"The debate over military action in Syria has produced a landfill’s worth of stupidity, from every side of the debate, and every corner of the political media. This is somewhat predictable, as we all know what opinions are like, but on Thursday night’s All In with Chris Hayes, “Congressman with Guts™” Alan Grayson (D-FL) made a bold incursion, from stupid into contemptible."

From your link..

"Hayes, to his credit, pushed back, although with characteristic understatement. “I have to say, that sounds morally obtuse to me.”

“Sorry,” Grayson replied, and with a cackle, added “I’m being totally honest.”

I've been on to Grayson for a long time. this is just freaking overkill.

mahalo for the links Tx

[sheshe2]

34. Your link is Priceless!

Rep. Alan Grayson Cackles That Syrian Atrocities ‘Simply Not Our Problem’

Following his excellent interview with Secretary of State John Kerry, host Chris Hayes continued the media’s current pastime of coaxing valueless opinions out of unqualified guests by interviewing Rep. Alan Grayson, who opposes the proposed military intervention in Syria. There are legitimate reasons to oppose the strike, as well as to support it, but Grayson’s performance here was a very extreme example of what has been so wrong with much of the media’s treatment of the Syria debate: a complete lack of seriousness or humility. If you’d like to see an example of seriousness and humility, check out the first half of this Chris Hayes commentary from Wednesday night, then slam your head on your desk.

Thanks Tx. so glad Grayson finds this so amusing.

[Cha]

36. Geeze.. his cackling face. You'd think he was talking

about something funny.. not something as stone cold tragic as Syria. I don't care how much he thinks it's none of our business.

[sheshe2]

37. The man is an Ass.

I don't care if he is seen as a Deity here at DU.

When you think of those that are so honored here at DU....Greenwald, Snowed-in, Grayson and a cast of others. Damn I don't believe we are in Kansas anymore Toto!

Thanks Cha, calling it a night. Got home very late from work~

[Jamaal510]

39. It still

kinda comes as a shocker to me that so many people on a Democratic website took the word of a notorious Paulite over a president from their own party on that NSA issue. None of them seemed to stop and contemplate Snowden's motives for what he did, and about how he has been refusing to face justice.
I agree, something is not right there.

[AgingAmerican]

40. I will ask again

Please show me a link where Grayson said what the OP states.

Thanks in advance.

[Tx4obama]

41. There are no quotation marks up in the OP.

Palin did say: 'Let Allah Sort It Out' (in Syria) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/31/sarah-palin-syria_n_3848819.html

and what Grayson said about it not being our problem is what I gave you a link to.

The majority of what is up in the OP is 'sarcasm' and the OPer's words.

[AgingAmerican]

42. So the OP had nothing to do with anything Grayson said

Just as I suspected, thanks.

*On Edit*

Oh and one more thing....

The OP was quoting verbatim from a RW loonie website

newsbusters.org/blogs/jack-coleman/2013/09/04/strange-bedfellows-indeed-grayson-agrees-palin-syria

It's pretty disgusting where you guys dredge up your material these days.

[Tx4obama]

43. Yes the OP did have to do with Grayson - it's right there in the link of the transcript you posted

-snip-

GRAYSON: What's actually happened is that until this point, in the past couple of years, this has been an internal civil war. It's been the Alawites on one side and the Sunnis on the other side. And it's been to some degree a reasonable expression of the desire of many people to have a modern life and not live under a dictatorship. But in the past several months what's happened is that the backing by other foreign governments of certain rebels, Al-Nusra, has led to a situation where the strongest opposition force in Syria today is in fact another fundamentalist Muslim regime like the one in Iran. So we have a fundamentalist Muslim regime in Iran fighting fundamentalist Muslim Sunnis in a proxy war in Syria. I don't think we have a dog in that fight. I think this is one of those extraordinarily rare occasions when I think I'm in agreement with Sarah Palin. She said, let Allah sort it out.

-snip-

So, Grayson agreed with Palin and the OPer up above - sarcastically was agreeing with them both.
Not too hard to understand.
There's is AUDIO there on your link :hiL

[AgingAmerican]

44. Hmmmm

What you just posted appears nowhere in the OP.

Have a good night!

[Tx4obama]

45. You are going in circles. Or deliberately not understanding the OP.

Grayson said he agreed with Palin's comment of when she said "Let Allah sort it out''

Fifth paragraph here: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jack-coleman/2013/09/04/strange-bedfellows-indeed-grayson-agrees-palin-syria

and the little audio link is right above that gray text box.

Ciao

[Starry Messenger]

24. Vintage idiocy.

You're young. You enlisting?

[Hissyspit]

38. He said "sort it out" not "sort 'em out."

[Maven]

47. The last refuge of a party goon

When in doubt, smear your opponents with charges of racism.

Tell me: do you and the other Obama enforcement team ever tire of being so cheap?

[CakeGrrl]

48. Which is why some people hated the release of the videos shown to Congress.

Much easier to say "not our problem" when you don't have to actually LOOK at the results of the gassing.