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Edit to add This link for those of you who do not like The Daily Mail:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/revealed-uk-government-let-british-company-export-nerve-gas-chemicals-to-syria-8793642.html
And here is another link to The Telegraph that was posted on Sep 1, 2013 (6 days before the Daily mail article)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10279790/Government-allowed-export-of-nerve-gas-chemicals-to-Syria.html
British companies delivered sodium flouride to Syrian firm from 2004-2010
The chemical is a key component in manufacture of nerve gas
Sale has been blasted as 'grossly irresponsible' in light of chemical attacks
Intelligence expert says substance will have been diverted to regime
The Government last night admitted for the first time that the chemical was delivered to Syria a clear breach of international protocol on the trade of dangerous substances that has been condemned as grossly irresponsible.
The UK firms delivered sodium fluoride to a Syrian cosmetics company for what they claim were legitimate purposes. But intelligence experts believe President Assads regime uses such companies to divert chemicals into its weapons programme.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2415081/Britain-sent-poison-gas-chemicals-Assad-Proof-UK-delivered-Sarin-agent-Syrian-regime-SIX-years.html
Oops!!!!
4bucksagallon
(975 posts)before it is believable.
In March 2012, the Poynter Institute published an article criticising the MailOnline for not giving proper attribution to the sources of some article content.
"Its not just that they steal stories so blatantly. They go out of their way to fuck over journalists and they reap the benefits by becoming the most highly trafficked newspaper on the Internet. How hard would it be to put in one link to an article?"
Martin Clarke, editor of MailOnline, said, "We will soon be introducing features that will allow us to link easily and prominently to other sites when further recognition of source material is needed." However, by July 2013, MailOnline articles, including main articles, still do not contain any links to original sources or tips.
The Mail has always traditionally been a supporter of the Conservative Party and endorsed the Conservative Party in all recent general elections.
So let's wait to see what Mark Nicol's sources are.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Most people just make some negative remark about a source and leave it at that, which is not really helpful in others understanding what the problem is, esp. since DU no longer has a hard and fast rule about sources.
You provided background why you thought this was not a trustworthy source.
Thanks!.....
4bucksagallon
(975 posts)but I am waiting to see if someone else picks up the story The Daily Mail has a reputation, and the lawsuits to prove it. I tried to find out who this Mark Nicol is but there was not a lot of information on him. He is currently defence and security correspondent at the Mail.This is making headlines on Free Republic, Godlike productions and Above Top Secret but nowhere else that I can find.
Little Star
(17,055 posts)4bucksagallon
(975 posts)Sunday Mail (Scotland), Scottish tabloid
The Sunday Mail (Brisbane), Sunday tabloid in Queensland, Australia
The Mail on Sunday, British conservative tabloid
Sunday Mail (Adelaide), Sunday tabloid in Adelaide, South Australia
All are considered tabloid
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sunday_Mail
Little Star
(17,055 posts)But I think most trustworthy papers verify the information first then give a credit link to the original source.
Little Star
(17,055 posts)About the Author:
Mark Nicol grew up in Hereford, where his father served in the 'regiment' for 16 years. He has worked as a journalist specializing in military reporting, and has exclusively covered the SAS inside Afghanistan.
Little Star
(17,055 posts)I honestly don't know.
http://metro.co.uk/2013/09/08/british-government-confirms-chemicals-were-sold-to-syria-between-2004-and-2010-3954041/
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/5123348/Britain-sold-deadly-sarin-nerve-gas-mix-to-Syria.html
http://m.in.msn.com/device/news/article.aspx?cp-documentid=253652060
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/revealed-uk-government-let-british-company-export-nerve-gas-chemicals-to-syria-8793642.html
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)Fluoride salts are used to enhance the strength of teeth by the formation of fluorapatite, a naturally occurring component of tooth enamel.[8][9] Although sodium fluoride is also used to fluoridate water and, indeed, is the standard by which other water-fluoridation compounds are gauged, hexafluorosilicic acid (H2SiF6) and its salt sodium hexafluorosilicate (Na2SiF6) are more commonly used additives in the U.S.[10] Toothpaste often contains sodium fluoride to prevent cavities.[11] Alternatively, sodium fluoride is used as a cleaning agent (e.g., as a "laundry sour" .[7] A variety of specialty chemical applications exist in synthesis and extractive metallurgy. It reacts with electrophilic chlorides including acyl chlorides, sulfur chlorides, and phosphorus chloride.[12] Like other fluorides, sodium fluoride finds use in desilylation in organic synthesis. The fluoride is the reagent for the synthesis of fluorocarbons.[citation needed]
In medical imaging, fluorine-18-labelled sodium fluoride is used in positron emission tomography (PET). Relative to conventional bone scintigraphy carried out with gamma cameras or SPECT systems, PET offers more sensitivity and spatial resolution. A disadvantage of PET is that fluorine-18 labelled sodium fluoride is less widely available than conventional technetium-99m-labelled radiopharmaceuticals.[citation needed]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_fluoride
Water fluoridation.
Water fluoridation is the controlled addition of fluoride to a public water supply to reduce tooth decay. Fluoridated water has fluoride at a level that is effective for preventing cavities; this can occur naturally or by adding fluoride.[2] Fluoridated water operates on tooth surfaces: in the mouth it creates low levels of fluoride in saliva, which reduces the rate at which tooth enamel demineralizes and increases the rate at which it remineralizes in the early stages of cavities.[3] Typically a fluoridated compound is added to drinking water, a process that in the U.S. costs an average of about $0.99 per person-year.[2][4] Defluoridation is needed when the naturally occurring fluoride level exceeds recommended limits.[5] A 1994 World Health Organization expert committee suggested a level of fluoride from 0.5 to 1.0 mg/L (milligrams per litre), depending on climate.[6] Bottled water typically has unknown fluoride levels, and some domestic water filters remove some or all fluoride.[7]
Dental caries remain a major public health concern in most industrialized countries, affecting 6090% of schoolchildren and the vast majority of adults.[8] Water fluoridation prevents cavities in both children and adults,[9] with studies estimating an 1840% reduction in cavities when water fluoridation is used by children who already have access to toothpaste and other sources of fluoride.[2] Although water fluoridation can cause dental fluorosis, which can alter the appearance of developing teeth, most of this is mild and usually not considered to be of aesthetic or public-health concern.[10] There is no clear evidence of other adverse effects.[11] Studies on adverse effects have been mostly of low quality.[11] Fluoride's effects depend on the total daily intake of fluoride from all sources. Drinking water is typically the largest source;[12] other methods of fluoride therapy include fluoridation of toothpaste, salt, and milk.[13] Water fluoridation, when feasible and culturally acceptable, has substantial advantages, especially for subgroups at high risk.[8] The U.S. Centers for Disease Control listed water fluoridation as one of the ten great public health achievements of the 20th century;[14] in contrast, most European countries have experienced substantial declines in tooth decay without its use, primarily due to the introduction of fluoride toothpaste in the 1970s.[3] The use of topical fluorides (such as in toothpaste) to prevent caries among people living in both industrialized and developing countries may help supplant the need for fluoridated water.[3] Fluoridation may be more justified in the U.S. because of socioeconomic inequalities in dental health and dental care.[15] Public water fluoridation was first practiced in the USA,[16] and has been introduced to many other countries to varying degrees[17] with many countries having water that is naturally fluoridated to recommended levels and others, such as in Europe, using fluoridated salts as an alternative source of fluoride.[18]
The goal of water fluoridation is to prevent a chronic disease whose burdens particularly fall on children and on the poor.[19] Its use presents a conflict between the common good and individual rights.[20] It is controversial,[21] and opposition to it has been based on ethical, legal, safety, and efficacy grounds.[22] Health and dental organizations worldwide have endorsed its safety and effectiveness.[3] Its use began in 1945, following studies of children in a region where higher levels of fluoride occur naturally in the water.[23] Researchers discovered that moderate fluoridation prevents tooth decay,[24] and as of 2004 about 400 million people worldwide received fluoridated water.[18]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fluoridation
Little Star
(17,055 posts)UK accused of breath-taking laxity over export license for potassium fluoride and sodium fluoride
More here: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/revealed-uk-government-let-british-company-export-nerve-gas-chemicals-to-syria-8793642.html
The Business Secretary, Vince Cable, will today be asked by MPs to explain why a British company was granted export licences for the dual-use substances for six months in 2012 while Syrias civil war was raging and concern was rife that the regime could use chemical weapons on its own people. The disclosure of the licences for potassium fluoride and sodium fluoride, which can both be used as precursor chemicals in the manufacture of nerve gas, came as the US Secretary of State John Kerry said the United States had evidence that sarin gas was used in last months atrocity in Damascus.
I guess times have changed and now Sodium fluoride is used for more than just enhancing the strength of teeth. It seems that now in the UK, at least, you need permits to sell it because it is used in making nerve gas.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Little Star
(17,055 posts)They knowingly sent those two chemicals, capable of being used to make a nerve agent, such as sarin, just a year ago.
Britain holds some responsibility for the gassing of the Syrian people. They knew the two substances would be used for making WMDs. For pete's sake Syria had a raging civil war going on.