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marmar

(77,072 posts)
Sun Sep 8, 2013, 09:28 PM Sep 2013

The US has little credibility left: Syria won't change that

The US has little credibility left: Syria won't change that
Obama's argument for intervention is a hollow one: America's use of chemical weapons in Falluja makes that clear

Gary Younge
The Guardian, Sunday 8 September 2013 14.47 EDT

'I created Transjordan," Winston Churchill once boasted, "with a stroke of a pen one Sunday afternoon in Cairo." Take a look at what remains of Jordan 90 years later and you can see how. Straight borders drawn with a ruler carve indifferent frontiers through a complex region with the kind of callous colonial hubris that displayed scant regard for linguistic, ethnic or religious affiliation.

Much of the contemporary turmoil in the Middle East owes its origins to foreign powers drawing lines in the sand that were both arbitrary and consequential and guided more by their imperial standing than the interests of the region. The "red line" that president Barack Obama has set out as the trigger for US military intervention in Syria is no different.

He drew it unilaterally in August 2012 in response to a question about "whether [he envisioned] using US military" in Syria. "A red line for us is we start seeing a whole bunch of chemical weapons moving around or being utilised. That would change my calculus. That would change my equation."

On 21 August there was a chemical weapons attack outside Damascus believed to have been carried out by the Syrian government. That changed both Obama's calculus and his memory. "I didn't set a red line," he claimed last week. I didn't draw it, he insisted, everybody did. "The world set a red line". ........................(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/08/us-little-credibility-syria-chemical-weapons



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The US has little credibility left: Syria won't change that (Original Post) marmar Sep 2013 OP
Great article. I especially like the ending quote... adirondacker Sep 2013 #1
It is a good one. Welcome to DU, adirondacker! Mnemosyne Sep 2013 #2
Thanks! adirondacker Sep 2013 #11
Well, happy you found your way back, and by all means do not hesitate to take breaks from Mnemosyne Sep 2013 #13
+1 (agreed). Welcome to DU Catherina Sep 2013 #4
The one willing to put down the gun and be vulnerable is definitely the hero in my book. liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #8
K&R woo me with science Sep 2013 #3
Then you don't know Iliyah Sep 2013 #5
red line. Chaco Dundee Sep 2013 #6
Nope Iliyah Sep 2013 #7
And I'm freaking tired of it Iliyah Sep 2013 #9
So let me see if I have this straight..... DeSwiss Sep 2013 #10
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #12

adirondacker

(2,921 posts)
1. Great article. I especially like the ending quote...
Sun Sep 8, 2013, 10:25 PM
Sep 2013

"The noble art of losing face," Hans Blix told me shortly after the Iraq war started, "will one day save the human race."

adirondacker

(2,921 posts)
11. Thanks!
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 02:18 AM
Sep 2013

I have to admit that I am not new here. I took a looooong break posting after the 04 primaries ( it was voluntary) I routinely read the forums though. I may have to take another sabbatical soon, since I'm becoming a bit of a curmudgeon and negative Nancy again.

Cheers!

Mnemosyne

(21,363 posts)
13. Well, happy you found your way back, and by all means do not hesitate to take breaks from
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 08:37 AM
Sep 2013

this joint! It is so easy to slip into negativity when there is so much negative material we need to absorb. I've taken several long breaks from posting myself.

Chaco Dundee

(334 posts)
6. red line.
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 12:14 AM
Sep 2013

If the world set a red line,than the world is sure not acting on it.sadly we are the only nation willing to follow up on the red line promise.or is it at all possible that we are wrong?

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
10. So let me see if I have this straight.....
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 12:22 AM
Sep 2013

...he was ''for'' setting a red line, before he was ''not'' for setting a red line? And since the red line's already been set and crossed, we're now obligated to go and bomb the redlinees redlinors Syrians.

- And we only do this because everyone must realize that when we say we set a red line, or even if we deny we set a red line, you had better not cross it. Whether we said it or not.

K&R



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