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cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 01:48 AM Feb 2012

The men and women who signed the Declaration of Independence

Last edited Wed Feb 29, 2012, 05:24 PM - Edit history (1)

Arrrrghhh!!!

One thing in Santorum's utterly insane, hateful, victory speech (to celebrate having just lost Michigan) really jumped out at me...

He lays down his usual rap about the Declaration of Independence because it is the one and only thing associated with the founding fathers that alludes to any notion of a deity (The Constitution does not, and that wasn't an accident.)

Us book-learned SNOBS know that "endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights" does not really mean that a supernatural G-O-D gave us rights. We know this because Thomas Jefferson, who wrote the fucking thing, did not believe in a supernatural G-O-D. He believed that some mysterious thing or another set the universe in motion with natural laws in place, never to be heard from again. Thomas Jefferson is currently burning in Hell, in Rick Santorum's stated worldview.

"Endowed by their creator" is a philosophical structure, stating the existence of certain natural rights essentially a priori. They are not man-made, they are (to Jefferson) natural and unalienable ("inalienable" is the usual word, but they didn't have spellcheck in 1776). That means they cannot be separated from a person... they are intrinsic, part of personhood itself. However persons came to be, by whatever agency, they came into being with human rights, in Jefferson's opinion. (The Enlightment-era theory of natural rights was a democratic counter to the divine right of kings, and so took that general form -- an assertion of a different natural order as immagined by one thinker or another.)

But anyway, little Ricky makes that solitary use of the word "creator" as a centerpiece of his stump speech.

In tonight's version he went through the usual speil and then added an observation about what was being said by "the men and women who signed the Declaration of Independence."

Needless to say, no woman signed the Declaration of Independence. Nor did anyone of color nor any native American nor, for that matter, any white man who did not own property. Duh!

This misrepresenation is not just Santorum being a dumb-ass. This is from the same playbook as those who say the Constitution guaranteed the rights of all people, even though the Constitution permitted the ownership of human beings as slaves. Remember Michelle Bachman's bit about how the drafters of our Constitution worked tirelessly against slavery?

If you are going to rant nonsense about the only valid Constitution being as it was first written (strict constructionism, aka constitutional fundementalism—a religious and somewhat mystical approach to statecraft) then it is necessary to make up a fake version of the Constitution, and of all early American history where women, and persons of color, and native Americans had the rights of citizenship.

All calls to return to the past require this sort of whitewash because the past had its problems, at least for most people. When they talk about "the excesses of the 1960s" they are referring to the civil rights act, the voting rights act, entry of many more women into the workforce and college, Griswold v. Connecticut (contraception), Loving v. Virginia (interracial marriage)... which of those excesses could anyone trying to win a general election oppose in speciffic? Yet the excesses of the 1960s meme is so accepted that even Obama once spoke of it, if I recall correctly.

Selling people on returning to our glorious past demands a litterally Orwellian approach. We have always been at war with Eastasia. Women have always been able to vote.

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The men and women who signed the Declaration of Independence (Original Post) cthulu2016 Feb 2012 OP
That was worthy of Palin. no_hypocrisy Feb 2012 #1
Maybe some were cross dressing? Faryn Balyncd Feb 2012 #2
> cthulu2016 Feb 2012 #10
LOL!!! cristinacartwright Mar 2012 #12
the wigs and makeup on the Founders probably confused poor Frothy n/t LadyHawkAZ Feb 2012 #3
Be fair sarge43 Feb 2012 #4
the people supporting him will go no further in their quest for knowlege onethatcares Feb 2012 #5
It's his way to get back the women voters he lost mainer Feb 2012 #6
Confusion due to macaroni fashion? MichaelMcGuire Feb 2012 #7
Aha! Now I get it... cthulu2016 Feb 2012 #8
I first heard of macaroni when this person kept referring to this English dude as a macaroni (nt) MichaelMcGuire Feb 2012 #9
Santorum was correct! (politically that is) cristinacartwright Mar 2012 #11
Jefferson isn't burning in hell because he's a Mormon now. cristinacartwright Mar 2012 #13

sarge43

(28,940 posts)
4. Be fair
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 07:13 AM
Feb 2012

He was channeling Abigale Adams, "Remember the ladies."

Did he get his JD out of a Crackerjack box?

onethatcares

(16,161 posts)
5. the people supporting him will go no further in their quest for knowlege
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 07:44 AM
Feb 2012

do you think they would actually read the Declaration and use their thinking process

to try to understand what the hell Jefferson was saying? Of course not, they see "creator"

and go with slickricky on the rest cause that thinking stuff is hard werk.

(spelling is my perogative)

mainer

(12,017 posts)
6. It's his way to get back the women voters he lost
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 08:04 AM
Feb 2012

You can bet from now on he'll always say "men AND WOMEN". So the ladies will be appeased.

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
8. Aha! Now I get it...
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 05:23 PM
Feb 2012

Yankee Doodle is about how simple, rustic or unaffected we Americans are... that to him simply sticking a feather in his cap makes him an (ironic) macaroni.

11. Santorum was correct! (politically that is)
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 12:41 AM
Mar 2012

In this day and age I think it was appropriate AND politically correct for Santorum to include women on the signing of the Declaration of Independence. But we mustn't be racist either and be willing to say that blacks and other minorities signed it as well!

13. Jefferson isn't burning in hell because he's a Mormon now.
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 12:55 AM
Mar 2012

Hey cthulu2016, Santorum is only partially correct when in his view, Thomas Jefferson is burning in hell. Allow me to clarify for you!

You see, Jefferson was burning in hell. Needless to say he wasn't very happy. But then, in the late 1880's, he, and all the other signers of the Declaration of Independence appeared to the President of the Mormon church Wilford Woodruff, and asked him to help them become Mormons. Of course all the signers of the declaration were dead at this time, but their spirits appeared to President Woodruff in a vision.

Fortunately, the Mormon church just happens to have this "baptism for the dead" thing, so President Woodruff took time out of his busy schedule to be baptized in proxy for all these desperate souls. So Thomas Jefferson was saved and is no long burning in hell! Hallelujah!

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