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Vinnie From Indy

(10,820 posts)
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 09:32 AM Sep 2013

The Revenge of the Neocons and Bibi Netanyahu - Obama got played!

It seems to me that Pres. Obama got suckered into offering his now infamous "red line" on WMD's by Netanyahu and his Neocon allies.

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TEL AVIV, Israel — Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is largely to blame for the blundering red line that has painted US President Barack Obama – and now the US Congress – into a corner of bad options in response to Syria’s alleged use of chemical weapons.

Why?

For a full year prior to the Aug. 2012 White House press conference where Obama put forth his “red line” on the use of Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD) in Syria, Netanyahu and his emissaries were relentlessly pressing for a US red line on Iranian nukes.

At the time, Israel’s psychological warfare campaign against Iran’s nuclear weapons drive was in full swing. Then-Defense Minister Ehud Barak spoke openly about a “zone of immunity” that would complicate a prospective, unilateral Israeli attack.

Meanwhile, Netanyahu and key ministers grew openly contemptuous of Obama’s preferred policy of sanctions and diplomacy, arguing that only a clear and public ultimatum from Washington could roll back the mullah’s quest for nuclear weapons.

More at:
http://blogs.defensenews.com/intercepts/2013/09/bibis-to-blame-for-obamas-red-line/

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The Revenge of the Neocons and Bibi Netanyahu - Obama got played! (Original Post) Vinnie From Indy Sep 2013 OP
Shorter: It's the fault of the Jooooz... SidDithers Sep 2013 #1
Netanyahu does not speak for all Jews.... Junkdrawer Sep 2013 #2
And Israel doesn't direct US foreign policy... SidDithers Sep 2013 #4
Directing and influencing are two different animals. Vinnie From Indy Sep 2013 #5
Clever choice of words LibAsHell Sep 2013 #6
He's got to be the dumbest guy ever to win two terms to the WH BeyondGeography Sep 2013 #3
The same thing was also reported in the (always very antisemitic) NY Times leveymg Sep 2013 #7
He's da bomb GeorgeGist Sep 2013 #8

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
4. And Israel doesn't direct US foreign policy...
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 09:37 AM
Sep 2013

no matter how many opinion pieces or articles DUers want to post, implying our outright claiming, that they do.

Sid

LibAsHell

(180 posts)
6. Clever choice of words
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 09:43 AM
Sep 2013

Sure, they don't "direct" it, but they have a huge influence on it; much more than they should. Sorry to break it to you.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
7. The same thing was also reported in the (always very antisemitic) NY Times
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 10:10 AM
Sep 2013

Almost exactly a year before the gas attack, on Aug 20,2012, Obama made a speech.

The use of chemical weapons, itself, was not exactly Obama’s original “red line,” as he laid it out during a news conference at the White House on Aug. 20, 2012. For purposes of expediency and practicality, media outlets have simplified the “red line” as this: If Syria deployed chemical weapons against its own people, it would have crossed a threshold with the White House.

But what Obama said was a little less clear.

“We have been very clear to the Assad regime, but also to other players on the ground, that a red line for us is we start seeing a whole bunch of chemical weapons moving around or being utilized,” the president said a year ago last week. “That would change my calculus. That would change my equation.”

It was also unclear what the consequences of crossing that “red line” would be. Obama has cautioned that unilateral action, particularly without a U.N. mandate, may be unwise and could run afoul of international law. In keeping with the strategy he used in seeking international cooperation for airstrikes against Libya in 2011, Obama warned in a CNN interview last week that international cooperation is key to military intervention.

To many, Wednesday’s attack outside Damascus would likely qualify as “a whole bunch” of chemical weapons deployed. http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/08/president-obamas-red-line-what-he-actually-said-about-syria-and-chemical-weapons/


What is the context of that speech? According to the NYT the following day, Israel was signaling that if the US did not take a harder line, it would act preemptively as it had done in bombing a Syrian reactor under construction: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/21/world/middleeast/obama-threatens-force-against-syria.html?_r=3&src=me&ref=world&

Mr. Obama, who has said little about Syria in recent weeks, stressed the regional risk from its unconventional weapons. “That’s an issue that doesn’t just concern Syria,” he said. “It concerns our close allies in the region, including Israel. It concerns us.”

His comments seemed aimed as much at the Israelis as the Syrians. Israeli officials have indicated they might intervene if they thought those weapons were on the loose and might be unleashed on their territory.

By hinting that the United States might participate in locating and neutralizing the weapons, Mr. Obama was clearly trying to forestall the possibility of an Israeli move into Syria — and the reaction it might provoke.

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