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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 07:24 PM Sep 2013

Obama Puts Syria Strike On Pause As Possible Diplomatic Solution Emerges

Obama Puts Syria Strike On Pause As Possible Diplomatic Solution Emerges

In a potentially dramatic change of course, President Barack Obama told ABC News on Monday that he does not expect any votes in Congress in the near term on the use of force in Syria while the administration takes time to explore a diplomatic solution.

"I don't anticipate that you would see a succession of votes this week or anytime in the immediate future," Obama said. "So I think there will be time during the course of the debates here in the United States for the international community, the Russians and the Syrians to work with us and say is there a way to resolve this."

The diplomatic solution is not final but it involves the possible support of Russia, according to news reports. Obama said a military strike against Syria would "absolutely" be on pause if the regime agrees to do away with its chemical weapons as part of a diplomatic solution.

"I consider this a modestly positive development," he told ABC.

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/obama-puts-syria-strike-on-pause-as-possible
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Obama Puts Syria Strike On Pause As Possible Diplomatic Solution Emerges (Original Post) ProSense Sep 2013 OP
Good news. Skinner Sep 2013 #1
whew! Heather MC Sep 2013 #23
it's like our fucking media doesn't even know how to react to this Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #2
- not to mention this whole idea was a GAFFE karynnj Sep 2013 #7
It makes no sense. ProSense Sep 2013 #10
Why would he answer the question like that? Reverse psychology. pnwmom Sep 2013 #52
Funny karynnj Sep 2013 #54
This is... cynzke Sep 2013 #55
Why? ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #53
Good. nt babylonsister Sep 2013 #3
Thanks~ sheshe2 Sep 2013 #4
Donald Rumsfeld will be rolling over in his grave. onehandle Sep 2013 #5
Awright enough already... enough is enough.. stop it! pangaia Sep 2013 #20
Everyone Underestimates Obama Again! Skraxx Sep 2013 #6
I don't think we would be reading this today OneCrazyDiamond Sep 2013 #13
shine on..i guess.. dionysus Sep 2013 #25
"divine interference" ... if aLL the corresponding charactors were to be drawn in, leftyohiolib Sep 2013 #34
Syria Would Not Be At the Table Willing to Give Up Their CW's if Not for the Threat of a Mililtary Skraxx Sep 2013 #56
Either Obama was completely unmasked last week or he's a superhero. raindaddy Sep 2013 #44
Much better than more violence. n/t PowerToThePeople Sep 2013 #8
This is a great development. Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #9
K&R BumRushDaShow Sep 2013 #11
I posted this diplomatic solution on DU back on August 27th. kiranon Sep 2013 #12
Obama haters won't like this one Kingofalldems Sep 2013 #14
Especially Here on DU LukeFL Sep 2013 #18
They'll think of an angle.. to try and make Pres Obama Cha Sep 2013 #50
When "Cool Hand Luke" Obama goes golfing there is something going on. Yes it looked Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #15
I will believe it when it happens...He is playing for time. jessie04 Sep 2013 #16
ALL U FREAKING OBAMA HATERS LukeFL Sep 2013 #17
Is this necessary? Who is "our"? n/t ProSense Sep 2013 #19
+1 Peacetrain Sep 2013 #28
Lighten the fuck up there, Francis. The Obama haters over at another site, not here. madinmaryland Sep 2013 #22
Most everyone here voted for Obama twice leftstreet Sep 2013 #26
Voting for Obama means they hated him. OnyxCollie Sep 2013 #33
If this succeeds TomClash Sep 2013 #21
so in other words.. he's not a ruthless killer saved by putin at the last second? dionysus Sep 2013 #24
Excellent! Peacetrain Sep 2013 #27
Very good news, indeed. Godspeed. eom Purveyor Sep 2013 #29
This is a great development! LostOne4Ever Sep 2013 #30
Without the Dems being pissed this would not have happened!!! n-t Logical Sep 2013 #31
But I thought we weren't going to strike because Congress will vote it down. MannyGoldstein Sep 2013 #32
It isn't confusing for those who choose not to be confused. n/t Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #48
Ah. So it is a Koan. MannyGoldstein Sep 2013 #49
This would not have happened without Union Scribe Sep 2013 #35
Here's the problem ProSense Sep 2013 #36
Uh, no. Union Scribe Sep 2013 #39
Hey cut the pro some slack bobduca Sep 2013 #40
I imagine it's been confusing. Union Scribe Sep 2013 #43
Silliness. n/t ProSense Sep 2013 #46
Hey I was confused today too bobduca Sep 2013 #47
No, ProSense Sep 2013 #45
speculation. spanone Sep 2013 #42
Thank God for a possible diplomatic solution. neverforget Sep 2013 #37
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #38
k&r... spanone Sep 2013 #41
And I support this decision rpannier Sep 2013 #51
K & R Scurrilous Sep 2013 #57
After the reign of Bush.. awoke_in_2003 Sep 2013 #58
 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
2. it's like our fucking media doesn't even know how to react to this
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 07:30 PM
Sep 2013

wait....uh....you're a slave to your corporate masters like us, right? So why are you now backing out of an actual shooting war and back on that whole diplomacy thing? You do realize how boring diplomatic missions are, don't you? ZERO ratings. No graphics packages.

karynnj

(59,498 posts)
7. - not to mention this whole idea was a GAFFE
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 07:52 PM
Sep 2013

Why would anyone answer the question of what could stop an attack like Kerry did. After weeks of speaking of the horrors of chemical weapons and saying that limiting their use was the goal. imagine he suggested they give up the weapons!

Some in the media are a permanent GAFFE

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
10. It makes no sense.
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 08:01 PM
Sep 2013

Kerry said it. It was his response. They want to call it a "gaffe" and also claim it was the statement that made Putin react.

Everyone can read that he State Department said the part about Assad not doing it was rhetorical, not the condition for avoiding a strike. That interpretation is just silly. Why would the admistration strike if Assad actually agrees to turn over the weapons to have them destroyed?

Also consider:

"the first acknowledgment by the Syrian government that it even possesses chemical weapons"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023630685

pnwmom

(108,955 posts)
52. Why would he answer the question like that? Reverse psychology.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 12:21 AM
Sep 2013

When you're dealing with a rigid, power-hungry person, that's a reasonable tactic to take. You offer them an alternative while pretending you are certain they will never take it. And the other person bites -- just to prove you wrong.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023630418

karynnj

(59,498 posts)
54. Funny
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 09:57 AM
Sep 2013

The way you wrote it reminds me of advise for dealing with toddlers' tantrums. Some using almost that technique - and remembering cooping my kids into doing things that I knew they would really like - but knew they were in no mood to do anything I told them to.

I watched a small amount of Assad's interview with Rose -- and he was not at all convincing, which surprised me because there was a Rose interview from 2009 or 2010 where he was well spoken and seemed rational.

cynzke

(1,254 posts)
55. This is...
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 10:35 AM
Sep 2013

pretty much that last best chance for a diplomatic solution and the world better get on board with it. From here things will get bloody. Hopefully, both Russia and Assad realize this now.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
53. Why? ...
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 08:30 AM
Sep 2013
Why would anyone answer the question of what could stop an attack like Kerry did. After weeks of speaking of the horrors of chemical weapons and saying that limiting their use was the goal. imagine he suggested they give up the weapons!


Because it wasn't a "Gaffe"! What do you suppose President Obama and Putin talked about during their non-meeting meeting?

Well ... I suppose it's possible that a seasoned diplomatic veteran could have a slip of the tongue that just happens to be picked up by the only person on Earth that could press the Assad regime to do anything (non-militarily) and that gaffe, that Putin picked up and pressed and the Assad regime seems to welcome, also happens to be the only diplomatic solution available to President Obama AND the only thing that would allow the Assad regime to maintain the integrity of it's fire control systems (i.e., maintains its ability to maintain its military advantage over the rebels).

Yep ... it could have been a gaffe ... sure blind luck!

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
5. Donald Rumsfeld will be rolling over in his grave.
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 07:49 PM
Sep 2013

He's alive?

I dunno...

There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know.

Skraxx

(2,967 posts)
6. Everyone Underestimates Obama Again!
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 07:50 PM
Sep 2013

Or is he the luckiest guy in the world? Must be luck, right? No way THAT guy knows what he's doing,....right?

OneCrazyDiamond

(2,031 posts)
13. I don't think we would be reading this today
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 08:11 PM
Sep 2013

if the Parliament of England had approved action last week.

Luck, divine interference, or careful statesmanship.
What ever you call it, I don't believe our President is leading the way on this issue.

 

leftyohiolib

(5,917 posts)
34. "divine interference" ... if aLL the corresponding charactors were to be drawn in,
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 10:30 PM
Sep 2013

well,it could get ugly.

Skraxx

(2,967 posts)
56. Syria Would Not Be At the Table Willing to Give Up Their CW's if Not for the Threat of a Mililtary
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 12:09 PM
Sep 2013

Strike. Period.

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
44. Either Obama was completely unmasked last week or he's a superhero.
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 11:03 PM
Sep 2013

Obama didn't really want to attack Syria all along. Even though he and Kerry promoted it heavily Obama foresaw that the public was going to reject it and it was just a matter of time before Russia came up with a plan.

Why just reject the idea of another war himself when he instead can bend reality?

kiranon

(1,727 posts)
12. I posted this diplomatic solution on DU back on August 27th.
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 08:05 PM
Sep 2013

It wasn't hard to figure out as a possible solution provided war wasn't on the table first.

Cha

(296,848 posts)
50. They'll think of an angle.. to try and make Pres Obama
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 11:31 PM
Sep 2013

look bad. Too bad for them it's so freaking obvious.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
15. When "Cool Hand Luke" Obama goes golfing there is something going on. Yes it looked
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 08:16 PM
Sep 2013

Like Kerry was thrown under the bus but it was just the next chapter being developed.

 

jessie04

(1,528 posts)
16. I will believe it when it happens...He is playing for time.
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 08:26 PM
Sep 2013

If this dictator can kill children with Sarin, he will lie thru his teeth.

He's playing the civilized world for CLASS A SUCKERS.

The only way to get this accomplished is WITH A CREDIBLE THREAT of taking away his power base. That's the only thing this murderer cares about.

Sorry, I'm not buying this bullshit until it happens.



LukeFL

(594 posts)
17. ALL U FREAKING OBAMA HATERS
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 08:29 PM
Sep 2013

Can kiss our ass now. US the ones whovALWAYS believed in our President while you all turned your backs on him AGAIN.

He played with all if you parcheesi while he played chess.

madinmaryland

(64,931 posts)
22. Lighten the fuck up there, Francis. The Obama haters over at another site, not here.
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 09:48 PM
Sep 2013

We may disagree with some of President Obama's decisions, we don't hate him.

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
33. Voting for Obama means they hated him.
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 10:26 PM
Sep 2013

The same way Kerry's YES vote on the Iraq war meant he was against it.

dionysus

(26,467 posts)
24. so in other words.. he's not a ruthless killer saved by putin at the last second?
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 09:51 PM
Sep 2013

DUers were already writing up articles of impeachment dammit.

LostOne4Ever

(9,286 posts)
30. This is a great development!
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 10:13 PM
Sep 2013

I am so glad that he is pursuing peaceful means of ending this situation. THAT is the president I supported!

[center]WTG OBAMA!!!

[/center]

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
32. But I thought we weren't going to strike because Congress will vote it down.
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 10:26 PM
Sep 2013

So confusing... so confusing...

Union Scribe

(7,099 posts)
35. This would not have happened without
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 10:34 PM
Sep 2013

the significant domestic and international pressure Obama's administration was put under. He couldn't get countries to back him. He couldn't get the people to back him. And he couldn't get Congress to back him. He has had to step back at every stage of this fracas.

And for those of you who think that was the plan all along and he didn't want to go to war and was seeking a way out: you should be thanking the rest of us and the world for opposing military intervention.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
36. Here's the problem
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 10:43 PM
Sep 2013
This would not have happened without

the significant domestic and international pressure Obama's administration was put under. He couldn't get countries to back him. He couldn't get the people to back him. And he couldn't get Congress to back him. He has had to step back at every stage of this fracas.

And for those of you who think that was the plan all along and he didn't want to go to war and was seeking a way out: you should be thanking the rest of us and the world for opposing military intervention.

...with that theory. This only happened because of Kerry's comment and Russia's response. If, as you say, Obama was in a weakened position, Putin would have had absolutely no reason to give Obama an out. He could have ignored Kerry's statement and let things proceed as before. Putin knew the deal. He was under pressure to do something other than obstruct. That is why he jumped on Kerry's offer.

Obama has already proven to the majority of people who have an official say that Assad did it. Members of Congress and the international community have condemned Assad.


Union Scribe

(7,099 posts)
39. Uh, no.
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 10:51 PM
Sep 2013

If you don't think Obama's position was weakened by the fact that people were abandoning the sinking cruise (missile) ship in droves, then there's a fundamental gap in the realities we're living in. Kerry threw that line out there (it was not an "offer&quot , then got thrown under the bus by the administration for it. Now it was the plan all along? Please.

bobduca

(1,763 posts)
40. Hey cut the pro some slack
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 10:54 PM
Sep 2013

there must have been multiple revisions of talking points sent out today...

Union Scribe

(7,099 posts)
43. I imagine it's been confusing.
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 10:57 PM
Sep 2013

First draft, Kerry spoke out of turn. Second draft, well maybe not. Third draft, it was the master plan all along. Fourth draft if it falls through? Who knows.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
45. No,
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 11:06 PM
Sep 2013

"If you don't think Obama's position was weakened by the fact that people were abandoning the sinking cruise (missile) ship in droves, then there's a fundamental gap in the realities we're living in. Kerry threw that line out there (it was not an "offer&quot , then got thrown under the bus by the administration for it. Now it was the plan all along? Please. "

...the "gap in the realities" is trying to claim a comment is both negative and positive.

Kerry said it. It was his response. Some want to call it a "gaffe" and also claim it was the statement that made Putin react.

Everyone can read that the State Department said the part about Assad not doing it was rhetorical, not the condition for avoiding a strike. That interpretation is just silly. Why would the admistration strike if Assad actually agrees to turn over the weapons to have them destroyed?

As for what you consider the "sinking cruise (missile) ship," the goal of the strike was to degrade Assad's capacity for another attack. His acceptance of the proposal buys more time, but he must comply.

Regardless of how Congress votes, members have condemned Assad. They agree with the assessment regarding Assad's use of chemicals. That's why you have members who don't support the President's approach offering their own proposals, and any way you slice it, those proposals are ultimatums.

There is also the UN, which even before today's developments, was prepared to act after its report. The statements by members of the G-20 and the EU means the international community was not going to let up. More countries comdemned Assad today.


rpannier

(24,328 posts)
51. And I support this decision
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 12:18 AM
Sep 2013

For what it's worth (my opinion not his decision), I am pleased he has taken this position.
I was also pleased he chose to go through congress to get authorization
If it works out, I give him a two-fer.
I am cautiously optimistic largely because there are too many players in this game to predict how this will ultimately end

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