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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDoes Detroit deserve the DIA's art?
My latest Detroit News blog post:
Those are the facts. Thats grim reality and it is bad enough. When some suggest Detroit actually deserves to lose the DIA because of the great failings of its recent leadership and poor judgment of its voters, they are not being helpful. That reasoning not only kicks at an already-down population, it ignores history. Yet, that theme keeps re-emerging.
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First, poor leadership in Detroit is not exactly new. It reaches back decades, even centuries. By the time Pugh, Watson and Kenyatta came along, many people came and went from city government who ignored or failed to understand trends that would lead to bankruptcy.
Second, it is not unusual for municipalities to be run by incompetent, short-sighted leaders. Thats as true for the suburbs as it is for Detroit. But the suburbs were on the lucky end of many of the same demographic and economic changes that shattered Detroit. That much more than brilliant leadership explains their relative affluence.
Full post here: http://blogs.detroitnews.com/politics/2013/09/09/detroit-deserve-dias-art
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)And the city-county government model works in Nashville, Miami, Jacksonville, and Honolulu, for example. I can, however, imagine a gruesome screech emanating from the non-Detroit parts of Wayne County at the mere mention of such a proposal.
LuckyTheDog
(6,837 posts)Detroit is in the shape it is in because it borrowed money for years on behalf of people who did not stick around to pay it back. They abandoned the city and left others holding the bag. Ideally, Detroit should merge with Oakland and Macomb counties, too.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)I think you've got your next op-ed.
LuckyTheDog
(6,837 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)caraher
(6,278 posts)He's absolutely right, they really need a tri-county government to reflect the economic realities of the region. But the thought is anathema.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)pa28
(6,145 posts)He really should have disclosed right away that he doesn't believe in the public commons at all. Clearly he knows that Detroit is just a test bed for the privatization and stripping of public assets that's about to go national and that's the way he wants it.
Adopting the persona of a scolding parent while leaving out so many relevant facts is fundamentally dishonest and disgusting to behold.
Missing is the fact Morningstar recently concluded Detroit's pension fund is 90% funded despite Orr's claims and bankruptcy may not have been necessary.
Missing is the fact Orr had concluded BK was the best option before taking the EM's job and even discussed the matter with his law partners (who are profiting handsomely from legal work on the case by the way).
Missing is any mention of the new Red Wings facility which will use new public dollars in the midst of bankruptcy to subsidize a billionaire owner.
I could go on but Detroit's bankruptcy is not about punishing the guilty or reconciling debts. This is about taking public assets and moving them into private hands and always has been.
LuckyTheDog
(6,837 posts)I accused Calabrese of "whitesplaining." A lot of others did not see it that way and accused me of being a racist for saying that (which would, I guess, make me a self-hating white person). I deleted my OP on that and asked the mods to delete the entire thread.
madrchsod
(58,162 posts)i would`t put it past them....
leeroysphitz
(10,462 posts)Were getting a 10 ft tall, bronze Robocop statue. How much more culture could we ask for?
http://m.animalnewyork.com/2013/heres-a-sneak-peek-at-detroits-robocop-statue/
whttevrr
(2,345 posts)I'd rather invest in a city that once produced marvels of the world than blow up wads of cash on some foreign land.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)LuckyTheDog
(6,837 posts)The bankruptcy judge has not ruled on that. And it is unlikely that the pension funds are as underfunded as the emergency manager says they are. The notion that Detroit will keep its Van Goghs and make its pensioners eat cat food is mostly spin and scare tactics.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)"spin and scare tactics."
Who are we trying to "scare"? Judge Stephen Rhodes?
LuckyTheDog
(6,837 posts)Don't buy into the disaster capitalism spin.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)are creditors to the city of Detroit.
As I alluded to, it's the hands of the Federal Court System at this point. It's not subject to a vote, so your comments make little sense to me--what I "buy into" isn't going to change anything.
pa28
(6,145 posts)Last edited Tue Sep 10, 2013, 11:09 PM - Edit history (1)
In court the pensions will likely be wiped out similar to the way stock shareholders are wiped out in bk as bondholders are first in line.
A liquidation of Detroits artwork and landholdings like Belle Isle will go to bondholders. So, the question become whether Detroit's artworks will remain public property or whether bondholders will take a slightly bigger haircut on the basis of their risk.
Pensions will likely get nothing from the sale.