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WilliamPitt

(58,179 posts)
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 08:15 AM Sep 2013

Now that war is on "pause"...

...get ready for a bunch of House Republicans - the same ones who were so piously ready to vote against an attack yesterday - to come out with OBAMA'S A BIG WIMP KILL KILL KILL ATTACK NOW AMERICA'S REPUTATION BLAAARGH.

Water = wet. Sky = up. This = happening. Count on it.

P.S. I'm THRILLED that they're seeking a diplomatic solution, and I pray this works, but face it: this is the diplomatic version of some blind pigs finding an acorn and saying they knew it was there all along.

http://www.juancole.com/2013/09/congress-embarrassing-themselves.html

That having been said: please work. Please please please.

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Now that war is on "pause"... (Original Post) WilliamPitt Sep 2013 OP
That's interesting. Any negotiations will take place in the shadow of war. morningfog Sep 2013 #1
"the diplomatic version of some blind pigs finding an acorn" n2doc Sep 2013 #2
It's a little crazy around here this morning. WilliamPitt Sep 2013 #3
I share your wish that it works n2doc Sep 2013 #4
The sun came up this morning. Jackpine Radical Sep 2013 #11
That pretty well sums up the attitude of the BOG contingent: Raksha Sep 2013 #14
Ninga! With 2 outs in the 9th down 3-1 and bases loaded he drove in 8 runs! HangOnKids Sep 2013 #18
No, need for Republicans to do this though because we have Skidmore Sep 2013 #5
In a few weeks Congress is going to get busy punishing the American people. Autumn Sep 2013 #6
"Blind pigs finding an acorn & saying they knew it was there all along." CrispyQ Sep 2013 #7
It's hard to pause something that never occurred trumad Sep 2013 #8
lol. Whisp Sep 2013 #9
You can't read minds. None of us can. Just celebrate the deed. 'Blame' or 'winner' is for losers. randome Sep 2013 #10
Somehow, the drumbeat for war will continue, Syria. Iran, N Korea.... grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #12
I want a list of Democratic Senators and Congressmen who... bvar22 Sep 2013 #13
Seems you can't admit you were wrong, this was not an accident, it was designed sabre rattling that Skraxx Sep 2013 #15
It is wonderful to see so many DUers supporting peace again, and I Zorra Sep 2013 #16
Haha so true. whatchamacallit Sep 2013 #17
*wink* Zorra Sep 2013 #20
Oddly enough, I don't think Obama said it is on pause cthulu2016 Sep 2013 #19
War is on pause? Does anyone remember Afghanistan? Folks, we are still at war. 1-Old-Man Sep 2013 #21
 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
1. That's interesting. Any negotiations will take place in the shadow of war.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 08:28 AM
Sep 2013

If the House does put something like that up, and it passes, it would be one hurdle to war passed.

Things have been moving quickly, and anything could still happen. I'm with you, please make this work. Cautious optimism.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
2. "the diplomatic version of some blind pigs finding an acorn"
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 09:16 AM
Sep 2013

Oh how dare he criticize Obama! Obama planned this out all along. He knew his enemy Putin would come up with a plan to take the chemical weapons away from Assad if only Obama talked tough enough! 23 dimensional chess!

 

WilliamPitt

(58,179 posts)
3. It's a little crazy around here this morning.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 09:22 AM
Sep 2013

A lot of people desperate to scold fellow DUers for having sound powers of observation, and for not obeying the imperative to put a positive spin on everything the administration does.

I hope this works, but it takes a special kind of self-delusion to see this as the evolution of some master plan.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
4. I share your wish that it works
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 09:28 AM
Sep 2013

And I think Obama is smart enough to take this route out of the corner he has painted himself into. I just hope the Syrians figure out a way to end their civil war before something else gets the attention of the Hawks.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
11. The sun came up this morning.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 11:02 AM
Sep 2013

Thanks, Obama.

I'm still amazed at how he managed to turn the public against the attack while pretending to push for it. What incredible statesmanship!

Raksha

(7,167 posts)
14. That pretty well sums up the attitude of the BOG contingent:
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 12:13 PM
Sep 2013

"The sun came up this morning. Thanks, Obama."

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
5. No, need for Republicans to do this though because we have
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 09:29 AM
Sep 2013

many on the left who are more than willing to step up and do this for the right.

Autumn

(45,056 posts)
6. In a few weeks Congress is going to get busy punishing the American people.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 09:34 AM
Sep 2013

I hope this diplomatic solution works so we can all get on the same page for that fight. Please please please. That about sums it all up for me.

CrispyQ

(36,457 posts)
7. "Blind pigs finding an acorn & saying they knew it was there all along."
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 09:42 AM
Sep 2013

Nice summation. So many threads on the brilliancy of our prez, make me I suspect O is shitting himself in relief, that things have taken the turn they have. I know I am.

Please, please, please.

 

trumad

(41,692 posts)
8. It's hard to pause something that never occurred
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 09:44 AM
Sep 2013

It's like saying---now that the Phins beat the Pats.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
10. You can't read minds. None of us can. Just celebrate the deed. 'Blame' or 'winner' is for losers.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 09:53 AM
Sep 2013

Besides, we know who is really pulling all the strings here.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]A ton of bricks, a ton of feathers. It's still gonna hurt.[/center][/font][hr]

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
13. I want a list of Democratic Senators and Congressmen who...
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 11:58 AM
Sep 2013

... have insisted from the start that a negotiated, diplomatic, non-military approach was proper method of dealing with the problems in Syria.

THOSE Democrats have earned my support.




You will know them by their [font size=3]WORKS.[/font]

Skraxx

(2,970 posts)
15. Seems you can't admit you were wrong, this was not an accident, it was designed sabre rattling that
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 12:28 PM
Sep 2013

was effective.

"but face it: this is the diplomatic version of some blind pigs finding an acorn and saying they knew it was there all along."

No, no it wasn't.

TPM:

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/09/obama-takes-credit-for-syrias-apparent-surrender.php?ref=fpa

The White House official said that Obama and Russian President Vladimir Putin had discussed Syria surrendering its chemical weapons stockpile last June at the G-20 summit in Los Cabos, Mexico. The two talked over the possibility again last week in St. Petersburg. So the idea has been on the table for a while, even before the Aug. 21 attack in the Damascus suburbs and before Obama publicly supported military strikes in retaliation, but it was the threat of imminent strikes that brought it to fruition, as the White House tells it.


This is called diplomacy, and the big stick is a tool in the box. We just saw it played masterfully and effectively.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
16. It is wonderful to see so many DUers supporting peace again, and I
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 01:14 PM
Sep 2013

believe that the achievement of this attempt at a diplomatic resolution was the result of a clever strategy put forth by a wise and shrewd Democratic Party controlled administration.


cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
19. Oddly enough, I don't think Obama said it is on pause
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 01:22 PM
Sep 2013

IIRC, Obama said that if Assad disarmed, that would put it on pause

(Which suggests a follow up question... if Syria unilaterally disarmed, why would that be pause rather than stop?)

1-Old-Man

(2,667 posts)
21. War is on pause? Does anyone remember Afghanistan? Folks, we are still at war.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 01:32 PM
Sep 2013

Its the new war that hasn't started yet that we may have paused, but there is certainly no pause in our war-making both at home and abroad.

On Edit: I'm sorry, this above did not come out sounding like it should have. I agree with your posting completely, I just wanted to point out that Afghanistan seems to be a more forgotten war than even Korea. There is something that has gone horribly wrong with us as evidenced by our perpetual war. It must stop or I'm sure we will parish as a nation.

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