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Montana newlywed faces murder charge for shoving husband off cliff
(Reuters) - A Montana woman was charged on Monday with killing her husband of eight days by pushing him off a cliff at Glacier National Park during an argument and after expressing doubts about the marriage, court records show.
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Graham on July 11 reported to emergency dispatchers at Glacier National Park that she had found her husband's body below a steep hiking path. It was not immediately clear how far he had fallen.
Graham later admitted to authorities that she had lied about Johnson's death and that she had shoved him off a cliff during an argument while hiking, according to a sworn statement by FBI Special Agent Steven Liss.
Graham said Johnson grabbed her arm during the dispute.
"Graham stated she could have just walked away, but due to anger, she pushed Johnson with both hands in the back and as a result, he fell face first off the cliff," Liss said in the affidavit.
Graham and Johnson were married on June 29. Soon after the wedding, Graham told a friend that she was having second thoughts about marrying him, Liss said.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/nationworld/sns-rt-us-usa-crime-montana-20130909,0,946381.story
Little Star
(17,055 posts)Gemini Cat
(2,820 posts)I don't find killing someone all that funny.
Little Star
(17,055 posts)Cleita
(75,480 posts)and you are a goner. You don't even need someone to push you.
Happyhippychick
(8,379 posts)He reall fell for her
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)You would, of course, be okay with the same joke if the hands were on the other back. -so to speak.
Mr_Jefferson_24
(8,559 posts)She should've let him down easy.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)I'm a fan of dark humor.
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)WCLinolVir
(951 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)If people did not have the means to hurt others then they would never hurt anyone (the problem is obviously not the people, they wouldn't do anything bad ever to anyone if certain things did not exist - objects, like cliffs, make us do things).
This poor man would also been alive if he had never been married.
frylock
(34,825 posts)The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)If you are dead, you have no freedoms. Why do we let people do dangerous things? Ban smoking, guns, hiking in rough areas, sky diving, drinking alcohol, and whatever else could cause harm or insurance rates to go up.
We need to be consistent in applying our values/religious beliefs to the lives of others. We don't let adults hang out together to drink and smoke anymore because we know they won't make the choices we want if they have the ability to choose.
I would never go hiking near a cliff, or skydiving, so I don't think others should be able to have that choice either.
And guns...look at all those 50 million people with them. They hunt, skeet shoot, shoot for sport, etc - I don't own a gun, so I am living proof no one needs that choice.
Freedom does not mean free to make choices, it means having the ability to freely stop people from doing things I don't like that I think could harm others.
frylock
(34,825 posts)vanlassie
(5,637 posts)I'm not sure I got it yet. Talk to me like I'm a six year old. Oh. Wait...
madinmaryland
(64,920 posts)from "responsible" gun owners.
Don't forget that we also need to protect cigarettes from "responsible" cigarette smokers. Imagine how many cigarettes could be saved from all of those savage beasts determined to burn them.
Baitball Blogger
(46,572 posts)I did it twice with a boyfriend and was sure I didn't want to spend a lifetime with him afterwards. There was no communication, he insisted he couldn't paddle because he had to rudder as I did all the work, and he still kept steering us into large spiders that had webs that stretched across the narrow parts of the "river."
We went down in dry season and again in rainy season. Different kind of experiences, but both were equally exasperating.
whopis01
(3,467 posts)It is not the most enjoyable "river" to paddle down on any occasion, let alone with someone being a dumbass!
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)Read more: http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/state/jason-forgey-alligator-catch-massive-gator-captured-along-the-econlockhatchee-river-in-seminole-co
Baitball Blogger
(46,572 posts)I was hesitant to take my children on canoe trips because a ten or eleven year old boy had been taken down by a gator around that time. I was in the Tampa area when this happened.
Nay
(12,051 posts)Lots of guys (and women) hide their bad sides much better than this. Usually, once you're in the trap, that's when their more unlovely sides show.
Baitball Blogger
(46,572 posts)Vinnie From Indy
(10,820 posts)the spouse is ALWAYS looked at as a suspect. I guess tossing one's spouse off of cliffs is more common than you would think.
TeamPooka
(24,155 posts)duffyduff
(3,251 posts)One of the most notorious murder cases ever was that of Robert Spangler, a black widower who decided to kill one of his wives in a unique manner:
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/weird/robert_spangler/1_index.html
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When he saw her broken body lying motionless beneath him, he scrambled down, found her dead, washed the blood from her face with his handkerchief, covered her with a tarp, grabbed her pack and headed back up to report the tragedy.
The rangers snickered about "Divorce by Grand Canyon," but there was no evidence of foul play, despite the fact that the place she fell was probably the only place on their hiking route that would have resulted in a fatal fall. And the fact that he never heard her cry out when she went over was an odd detail they couldn't quite forget.
He's dead now, thank God.
Orrex
(63,084 posts)I'm trying keep up with DU's current sensibilities re: domestic abuse and murder.
trumad
(41,692 posts)Never ever---and I mean ever break away from the angst that is this world. Not even for a minute.
You will be called on it by those who relish the angst.
duffyduff
(3,251 posts)Orrex
(63,084 posts)Zorra
(27,670 posts)I lived with I'd be
tavalon
(27,985 posts)When we got trapped overnight with 70 other hikers because of a road wash out, I found out he hadn't told his girlfriend I had come along. I laughed. Some things never change.
I have gotten enraged with that man many times in the last year, but never would I push him or anyone off of a cliff. I have a cut off switch that I hope most people do around such things. No matter how angry I get at him or anyone else, killing is never on the table.
mnhtnbb
(31,316 posts)let's just say I might have had second thoughts, too!
I do not approve of her violence...but I do have to admit some of
the dark humor here is pretty funny.
GeorgeGist
(25,294 posts)trumad
(41,692 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)trumad
(41,692 posts)got a problem with that...
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Have a good night.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)struggle4progress
(118,032 posts)less commitment at the beginning of the trail than might be expected:
An acquaintance once told me of a wedding, where the night before the ceremony the acquaintance found one of the soon-to-be-wedded engaged in sex with one of the attending friends of the other soon-to-be-wedded -- and feeling no particular desire to discover more about the situation, simply retreated back to the company of other members of the party, so that the wedding occurred the next day without any notice of these unusual(?) dynamics
duffyduff
(3,251 posts)Was the pun intended?
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)in a moment of anger, she simply pushed him away.. if there wasn't a cliff there no harm done.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)regardless if its true or not.