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hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 04:31 PM Sep 2013

Good Job Mr. President! You got the ball rolling on this and if it works out then you get credit.

I am glad President Obama is my president and I trusted him through the whole thing. He and Kerry are not warmongers like some people here said. I understood their unease with not wanting to bomb Syria but calling them warmongers was just wrong.

Sometimes you have to threaten bad leaders to get them to do the right thing. I pray it works out.

Well Done and Thank You Mr. President!

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Good Job Mr. President! You got the ball rolling on this and if it works out then you get credit. (Original Post) hrmjustin Sep 2013 OP
"Sometimes you have to threaten bad leaders to get them to do the right thing." Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #1
heh. My first thought, too. nt jobycom Sep 2013 #20
ROFLMAO!! Well done? this was his biggest fuck up in a long series of fuck ups. bowens43 Sep 2013 #2
I disagree! If he gets them to give up their weapons then I think we have won. hrmjustin Sep 2013 #3
Threaten to bomb Syria, what could possibly go wrong???? Taverner Sep 2013 #8
Let me say I was not in favor of actually doing it but I see why he did it. hrmjustin Sep 2013 #10
I do not buy the 3D Chess Defense Taverner Sep 2013 #22
He did not want to bomb. That is clear to me, because he jumped on this propoasal very quickly. hrmjustin Sep 2013 #24
Because he thought it was a ticket out of the MIC's hold Taverner Sep 2013 #25
MIC? I am sorry I don't know that one. hrmjustin Sep 2013 #26
Military Industrial Complex. Taverner Sep 2013 #27
Thank you I did not know but I should have. You make a good point but I hope we don't bomb them. hrmjustin Sep 2013 #28
I hope so too Taverner Sep 2013 #29
It is like pointing a gun at someone, you do not do it unless you mean to use it. Mojorabbit Sep 2013 #32
He may have been ready to but he did not want to. Hopefully this plan works. hrmjustin Sep 2013 #34
clueless comment. DCBob Sep 2013 #30
First, nothing is yet accomplished so I find the rolling of the credits to be sadly Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #4
I understand your point of view but I think he handled it well. hrmjustin Sep 2013 #5
I don't understand your point of view that past tense is appropriate. How is it over? Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #12
I did say if in the OP. hrmjustin Sep 2013 #13
3 weeks of endless speculative outrage was even more telling. JoePhilly Sep 2013 #45
I'm sure Jesus would have done the same. GeorgeGist Sep 2013 #6
No he would not have. Jesus was a man of peace. hrmjustin Sep 2013 #7
+1000 avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #23
I am glad he want to Congress FIRST. Rex Sep 2013 #9
I think he went because he wanted limits on his power and to stall for a peaceful solution. hrmjustin Sep 2013 #11
I do too, I really respect him for that! Rex Sep 2013 #15
Congress really is full of slimeballs. hrmjustin Sep 2013 #17
I've never been so angry at a body of people Rex Sep 2013 #21
House gopers want Pres O Iliyah Sep 2013 #42
Let's hope that this is the beginning of the end of chemical weapons manufacturers, too! nt Zorra Sep 2013 #14
Very good point! hrmjustin Sep 2013 #16
I am cautiously optimistic, UtahLib Sep 2013 #18
A good approach to this. hrmjustin Sep 2013 #19
Kick politicasista Sep 2013 #31
Obama painted himself into a corner, Putin rescued him (and us) markiv Sep 2013 #33
I thank Putin for nothing. He is a sad excuse for a leader. To me Obama deserves the credit. hrmjustin Sep 2013 #35
Putin is an opportunist. Maedhros Sep 2013 #41
an opportunity was handed to Putin markiv Sep 2013 #43
No - I agree with you completely. Maedhros Sep 2013 #46
You always try to see the best in people Marrah_G Sep 2013 #36
Thanks my friend. I think we do agree that actually bombing them would not have been a good idea. hrmjustin Sep 2013 #37
We absolutely do agree that bombing Syria would be very bad. Marrah_G Sep 2013 #38
I hope the plan works out. hrmjustin Sep 2013 #39
I don't think he wanted to go through with it, but I think he was going to. RedCappedBandit Sep 2013 #40
recommended nt arely staircase Sep 2013 #44

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
1. "Sometimes you have to threaten bad leaders to get them to do the right thing."
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 04:32 PM
Sep 2013

An exceedingly relevant statement given the sudden turn around with our own leaders.

 

Taverner

(55,476 posts)
22. I do not buy the 3D Chess Defense
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 05:28 PM
Sep 2013

I think this stopped him dead in his tracks, and the plan was to bomb

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
24. He did not want to bomb. That is clear to me, because he jumped on this propoasal very quickly.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 05:34 PM
Sep 2013

He knew congress would not support him so he wanted a stalling tactic.

 

Taverner

(55,476 posts)
25. Because he thought it was a ticket out of the MIC's hold
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 05:55 PM
Sep 2013

Unfortunately, they won't buy that

Expect to see Syria bombed

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
28. Thank you I did not know but I should have. You make a good point but I hope we don't bomb them.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 05:59 PM
Sep 2013

Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
32. It is like pointing a gun at someone, you do not do it unless you mean to use it.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 06:16 PM
Sep 2013

You do not threaten to bomb unless you are ready
to do it. You just don't.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
4. First, nothing is yet accomplished so I find the rolling of the credits to be sadly
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 04:49 PM
Sep 2013

telling. The Syrian people probably don't see this as awards day. It is also a fact, Justin, that it is not legal for one country to threaten another in order to extract political compliance. Such threats are in themselves acts of war. That might be worth noting in the slide down the rabbit hole. When it is done to us, we call it terrorism. 'Sometimes you just have to' is what everyone says when breaking international law. We have the UN to enforce such things, it is not in the unilateral purview of any head of State to threaten another nation as a means of 'diplomacy'.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
12. I don't understand your point of view that past tense is appropriate. How is it over?
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 05:01 PM
Sep 2013

As I said, the need to roll the credits on a dynamic story still in progress is frightening to me. Just so you know, your posts and others like it make me cringe. Plenty of time for laurels when the laurels are won. Three days ago people here were snarling for bombing because they cared so much about the children there. The children there are still in huge peril. Handled. Chilling.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
11. I think he went because he wanted limits on his power and to stall for a peaceful solution.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 05:00 PM
Sep 2013
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
15. I do too, I really respect him for that!
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 05:04 PM
Sep 2013

And Kerry too, he's been thrown to the wolves so many times. Congress needs to do their dam jobs! Then let the executive do their jobs once they know what policy Congress supports. The idea of letting the POTUS stick his neck out politically (and NOT Congress) pisses me off!

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
21. I've never been so angry at a body of people
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 05:08 PM
Sep 2013

like the last groups of Congress critters. They really do the institution an injustice with their indecisiveness and incompetence. Hiding behind the POTUS; that is so Bush/Cheney like. Obama was smart and made them perform, they have no choice in this matter since it is their job.

I like seeing the POTUS make Congress do something! It is refreshing.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
42. House gopers want Pres O
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 07:30 PM
Sep 2013

to not implement Obamacare then they will MAYBE talk about the deficit and MAYBE the sequester.

Hostage time again.

UtahLib

(3,179 posts)
18. I am cautiously optimistic,
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 05:05 PM
Sep 2013

considering what might be the less than trustworthy motivations of certain participants involved in the negotiations.

 

markiv

(1,489 posts)
33. Obama painted himself into a corner, Putin rescued him (and us)
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 06:17 PM
Sep 2013

I thank the one who deserves it, Putin

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
35. I thank Putin for nothing. He is a sad excuse for a leader. To me Obama deserves the credit.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 06:20 PM
Sep 2013

But I respect your opinion.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
41. Putin is an opportunist.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 07:25 PM
Sep 2013

He saw an opening and took it. If the deal with Syria works out as planned, Putin and Assad will get political cover from being the ones willing to compromise while they can paint the United States as obstinate and aggressive.

 

markiv

(1,489 posts)
43. an opportunity was handed to Putin
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 08:55 PM
Sep 2013

what would you call a football player who ignored a ball fumbled by the other team

a gentleman, or an incompetant?

Putin got the world (including us) out of a real mess, so what if he scores a point for himself in the process - cheapest point we'll ever give away, considering the alternatives

sorry if i value our blood and treasure more than the ego of 'our guy'
 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
46. No - I agree with you completely.
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 01:03 AM
Sep 2013

I'm very happy that a diplomatic path out of this nightmare labyrinth has been found (if we have the wisdom take it). I don't care one whit who gets credit if it ends the crisis.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
36. You always try to see the best in people
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 06:22 PM
Sep 2013

and I like that about you Justin.

I don't agree with you on this, but I respect your opinion.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
37. Thanks my friend. I think we do agree that actually bombing them would not have been a good idea.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 06:27 PM
Sep 2013

RedCappedBandit

(5,514 posts)
40. I don't think he wanted to go through with it, but I think he was going to.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 06:34 PM
Sep 2013

Still might.

And I don't appreciate it.

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