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Our militarized police force uses chemical weapons all the time ... (Original Post) Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 OP
Answer to your question: truedelphi Sep 2013 #1
That ain't going to happen anytime soon. Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #3
And the citizenry not to mention corporations use it against each other all the time too. Sheepshank Sep 2013 #2
Umm, pepper spray and tear gas don't kill people. PlanetaryOrbit Sep 2013 #4
Um, yes they do, and yes they have. Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #6
Like the chemical weapons in Syria? PlanetaryOrbit Sep 2013 #9
Tear gas is prohibited for use on the battlefield, just as sarin is MNBrewer Sep 2013 #26
only is the person Niceguy1 Sep 2013 #11
Thanks for the word salad HangOnKids Sep 2013 #29
sleep deprivation Niceguy1 Sep 2013 #32
You might want to rent the excellent documentary, "Battle for Seattle" truedelphi Sep 2013 #10
Good Point...where's that Policeman with his Pepper Spray on OWS! KoKo Sep 2013 #5
Back in the eighties, it was a maintream newstory that the Russians were truedelphi Sep 2013 #15
Yes...this is sick and there are Sound Blasters and Tasers (that can kill) plus KoKo Sep 2013 #20
Wow, I didn't realize that. Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #22
Yeah no kidding gopiscrap Sep 2013 #7
seriously? comparing tear gas to sarin is moronic. cali Sep 2013 #8
Except when you are shot at with a tear gas canister at point blank range... Earth_First Sep 2013 #12
I am by no means defending out of control police forces cali Sep 2013 #13
They are all weapons, though, used against "The People." KoKo Sep 2013 #24
I'm not making a direct comparison. Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #14
Right... EX500rider Sep 2013 #16
I'm not talking about one incident. Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #18
Why, does the US have a lot of dead protesters from gas? n/t EX500rider Sep 2013 #25
No, and I'm not certain of numbers ... Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #28
Yeah...remember when the cops used Sarin gas on Occupy??? No? Me neither. nt msanthrope Sep 2013 #17
See post #14 Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #19
Domestic use of chemical weapons against civilians is tolerable, if done by democratic regimes MNBrewer Sep 2013 #21
Yes, I forgot. Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #23
That was one good response. truedelphi Sep 2013 #30
Tear gas is to real chemical weapons.... EX500rider Sep 2013 #27
The pea shooter is banned, IF used on the battlefield MNBrewer Sep 2013 #31
 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
2. And the citizenry not to mention corporations use it against each other all the time too.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 07:21 PM
Sep 2013

...how far do you want to go on this tack?

MNBrewer

(8,462 posts)
26. Tear gas is prohibited for use on the battlefield, just as sarin is
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 08:13 PM
Sep 2013

But we make exceptions for domestic uses, as long as it's against civilians.

Niceguy1

(2,467 posts)
11. only is the person
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 07:42 PM
Sep 2013

Has a underlying medical issue....and if they do they should tgink twice before joining actions that may result in its use.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
10. You might want to rent the excellent documentary, "Battle for Seattle"
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 07:38 PM
Sep 2013

And then consider if this stuff is a killer. Although the docudrama is not correct in every event it portrays, it gives a good overall compendium of the experiences people have when they go out and protest..

Scott Olsen probably does not share your sanguine view of this toxic stuff either. The cannister containing the tear gas clipped him very hard in the head, and he almost died. (The Oalkand Calif. police were responsible for that attack.) His being attacked was without provocation. He had just finished out a tour of duty. Ironic that he would be injured in what would have been his peaceful protest if not for the police.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
5. Good Point...where's that Policeman with his Pepper Spray on OWS!
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 07:26 PM
Sep 2013

There were incredible Videos, Photos with Hilarious Captions about that Renegade Cop who took job in SPRAYING the OWS Protestors.

Hmm...what other WMD/Chemical Weapons are used on Citizens of the USA?

Anyone think of others besides Pepper Spray?

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
15. Back in the eighties, it was a maintream newstory that the Russians were
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 07:55 PM
Sep 2013

Targeting our embassy in Moscow with heavy duty microwaves. Then suddenly the story got pulled.

Why? Because the amount of non ionizing radiation that was being used by the Soviet Union against our embassy personnel was significantly less than the amount our OSHA guidelines stated was safe. Our government couldn't have it both ways - that our embassy personnel were being harmed by Russia, when workers at home were being hit with higher doses, and those workers were told everything is A-okay. .

Currently the USA allows ten times the amount of microwave energy to affect the American people, than the Russian government allows. And although the cell phones that are allowed for sale inside the USA do follow international Guidelines for safety, the safety is calibrated for adult humans. Once a person understands the issue, they realize they should not allow children under the age of twelve to spend any time on cell phones.

The above remarks are not about discussing weapons, just the safety considerations for our devices, like cell phones, and cell towers. One very significant field where people are getting cataracts and other problems directly from the radiation of devices required by their jobs happens to fall upon police who have complex radio systems mounted at around their neck. Much higher level of cataracts, tumors and cancers than the average person. And radar devices that are hand held to calibrate the speed of motorists also result in police personnel contracting more health problems.

Meanwhile, during the Bush era, microwave pulsing weaponry was brought on line to be used as crowd control. When the weapons were being designed, the thought was that they would be used against the Iraqi army. But since these weapons have never been tested,it would be against international guidelines to use them against an enemy until tested. Our Military Industrialists' response? The microwave weapons are to be used experimentally on American citizens who attend protests!

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
20. Yes...this is sick and there are Sound Blasters and Tasers (that can kill) plus
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 08:09 PM
Sep 2013

radiation from Passenger Screening for Terrorists when you fly and who knows what else.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
22. Wow, I didn't realize that.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 08:10 PM
Sep 2013

I mean I knew about the crowd dispersal weapons, but didn't know that was their response.

Earth_First

(14,910 posts)
12. Except when you are shot at with a tear gas canister at point blank range...
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 07:46 PM
Sep 2013

They can be lethal.

Scott Olson was shot at with a CS canister by Oakland PD and nearly killed.

An Iraq war Veteran.

So yes, it happens.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
13. I am by no means defending out of control police forces
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 07:48 PM
Sep 2013

but I stand by my statement that it's ludicrous to compare tear gas with sarin.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
24. They are all weapons, though, used against "The People."
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 08:11 PM
Sep 2013

That's what we need to remember. And US has used them on people in our many wars.

Then there's the Eugenics Experiments that North Carolina is now having to pay to compensate those experiments done and other incidents that are "crimes against the people" used to control them.

Just saying...

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
14. I'm not making a direct comparison.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 07:49 PM
Sep 2013

I'm speaking to the presumed moral authority we display in spite of how we treat our own protesters.

EX500rider

(10,839 posts)
16. Right...
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 08:03 PM
Sep 2013

.....'cause getting beaned in the head with a canister is just like a cloud of sarin gas killing 1,500 men, women & children.

If you want to see protesters handled roughly I direct you to Egypt and 1,000's dead, ours are handled with kid gloves in comparison.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
28. No, and I'm not certain of numbers ...
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 08:18 PM
Sep 2013

... however, that wasn't my point.

My point, again, goes to our presumed moral authority when we use dangerous chemical weapons on our own peaceful citizens. I'm not making a direct comparison with the amount of, the type of gas used, or the amount of people killed. That's a tragic situation, and one where we still don't have evidence as to whom is responsible.

What we do know, however, is that our own heavily militarized police forces across the country have used chemical weapons on peaceful protesters, and that goes to our presumed moral authority.

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