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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsOur militarized police force uses chemical weapons all the time ...
... on peacefully protesting people.
When is Obama and Kerry going to degrade our out-of-control police force?
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)As soon as the One Percent directs them to do so!
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)...how far do you want to go on this tack?
PlanetaryOrbit
(155 posts)Shouldn't that be a relatively obvious difference?
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)PlanetaryOrbit
(155 posts)No.
This comparison is absurd.
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)But we make exceptions for domestic uses, as long as it's against civilians.
Niceguy1
(2,467 posts)Has a underlying medical issue....and if they do they should tgink twice before joining actions that may result in its use.
HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)I was a bit hungry!
Niceguy1
(2,467 posts)Will do that. At least word salad is healthy lol.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)And then consider if this stuff is a killer. Although the docudrama is not correct in every event it portrays, it gives a good overall compendium of the experiences people have when they go out and protest..
Scott Olsen probably does not share your sanguine view of this toxic stuff either. The cannister containing the tear gas clipped him very hard in the head, and he almost died. (The Oalkand Calif. police were responsible for that attack.) His being attacked was without provocation. He had just finished out a tour of duty. Ironic that he would be injured in what would have been his peaceful protest if not for the police.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)There were incredible Videos, Photos with Hilarious Captions about that Renegade Cop who took job in SPRAYING the OWS Protestors.
Hmm...what other WMD/Chemical Weapons are used on Citizens of the USA?
Anyone think of others besides Pepper Spray?
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Targeting our embassy in Moscow with heavy duty microwaves. Then suddenly the story got pulled.
Why? Because the amount of non ionizing radiation that was being used by the Soviet Union against our embassy personnel was significantly less than the amount our OSHA guidelines stated was safe. Our government couldn't have it both ways - that our embassy personnel were being harmed by Russia, when workers at home were being hit with higher doses, and those workers were told everything is A-okay. .
Currently the USA allows ten times the amount of microwave energy to affect the American people, than the Russian government allows. And although the cell phones that are allowed for sale inside the USA do follow international Guidelines for safety, the safety is calibrated for adult humans. Once a person understands the issue, they realize they should not allow children under the age of twelve to spend any time on cell phones.
The above remarks are not about discussing weapons, just the safety considerations for our devices, like cell phones, and cell towers. One very significant field where people are getting cataracts and other problems directly from the radiation of devices required by their jobs happens to fall upon police who have complex radio systems mounted at around their neck. Much higher level of cataracts, tumors and cancers than the average person. And radar devices that are hand held to calibrate the speed of motorists also result in police personnel contracting more health problems.
Meanwhile, during the Bush era, microwave pulsing weaponry was brought on line to be used as crowd control. When the weapons were being designed, the thought was that they would be used against the Iraqi army. But since these weapons have never been tested,it would be against international guidelines to use them against an enemy until tested. Our Military Industrialists' response? The microwave weapons are to be used experimentally on American citizens who attend protests!
KoKo
(84,711 posts)radiation from Passenger Screening for Terrorists when you fly and who knows what else.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)I mean I knew about the crowd dispersal weapons, but didn't know that was their response.
gopiscrap
(23,756 posts)the fucking pigs have turned the US into a police state.
cali
(114,904 posts)Earth_First
(14,910 posts)They can be lethal.
Scott Olson was shot at with a CS canister by Oakland PD and nearly killed.
An Iraq war Veteran.
So yes, it happens.
cali
(114,904 posts)but I stand by my statement that it's ludicrous to compare tear gas with sarin.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)That's what we need to remember. And US has used them on people in our many wars.
Then there's the Eugenics Experiments that North Carolina is now having to pay to compensate those experiments done and other incidents that are "crimes against the people" used to control them.
Just saying...
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)I'm speaking to the presumed moral authority we display in spite of how we treat our own protesters.
EX500rider
(10,839 posts).....'cause getting beaned in the head with a canister is just like a cloud of sarin gas killing 1,500 men, women & children.
If you want to see protesters handled roughly I direct you to Egypt and 1,000's dead, ours are handled with kid gloves in comparison.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)What difference does it make to the dead what chemicals were used?
EX500rider
(10,839 posts)Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)... however, that wasn't my point.
My point, again, goes to our presumed moral authority when we use dangerous chemical weapons on our own peaceful citizens. I'm not making a direct comparison with the amount of, the type of gas used, or the amount of people killed. That's a tragic situation, and one where we still don't have evidence as to whom is responsible.
What we do know, however, is that our own heavily militarized police forces across the country have used chemical weapons on peaceful protesters, and that goes to our presumed moral authority.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)truedelphi
(32,324 posts)And a notion had totally forgotten about!
EX500rider
(10,839 posts).....as a pea shooter is to a bazooka.
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)who cares if it's used on civilians.