Notice how …

[1StrongBlackMan]

The same folks that were proudly “standing with rand (the anti-Democrat)” and not giving a damn who knows it because it’s all about stopping the/a war, are now horrified that President Obama was able to cut a deal with Putin … that stops the war they so opposed?

Just saying …

[joshcryer]

1. Oh, the derision is definitely Orwellian, to be sure.

People are just so upset, incapable of giving Obama credit where it is due. Every rationalist knows that Obama's saber rattling is what did this.

[Comrade Grumpy]

101. But did Obama know it would work out like this (if it works out)? I think not.

I don't deride the president, but I don't credit him as a Machiavellian Grand Master, either.

This whole ride has a very much seat-of-the-pants feel to it. It may work out well for Obama now, where it looked like a huge fiasco just a couple of days ago. At least he has a reason to call off the bombers (and the votes!) for now.

[joshcryer]

108. Doubtful.

But he always had the option to back down and save face. Always. He could've taken it to the UN and said "let Russia decide" and washed his hands of it.

I'm not saying he's a grand master three dimensional chess player, he's an "all options on the table" player.

[Warpy]

2. Well, standing with a raving idiot on one issue

doesn't equal standing with the same idiot when he's being his idiotic worst.

I think they're horrified that the US isn't wearing the white hat in this drama. We were the gunslinger threatening the town this time.

However, the carrot and stick seems to have worked, so kudos to both Obama and Putin. Neither man acting alone could have gotten Assad to give up his toys.

[treestar]

9. how is it not wearing the white hat?

We didn't have to do anything! It was use of chemical weapons!

[nomorenomore08]

95. "Threatening the town" as in being on the brink of bombing them. Which we were, weren't we?

[DisgustipatedinCA]

3. No, I haven't noticed that, and neither have you.

Get busy documenting your vile accusation.

[1StrongBlackMan]

12. Okay ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023602944

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023636414
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10023635132
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3635563

Match the names and posts ... then apologize.

Next project ...

[JimDandy]

100. No the Randians, GOPers etc. are standing with us

Democrats...all of us AMERICANS who don't want to kill more people in another military action in our names.

Your (and others) attempts to pidgeon-hole people into only their choosen political parties and then demonize them when they unite under the umbrella of country makes a mockery of being an American.

[JimDandy]

103. "I don't give a shit about Rand Paul"... "Stop trying to ally me with Rand Paul."

Pitts quotes from your first link to his OP (which I didn't see til now and just recced, so Thanks!)

Really intellectually honest of you.



Didn't bother checking the other links after that.

[Autumn]

122. The other links were just as false as the first

It seems he got on the wrong page for those links.

Not ONE of those OPs show that the poster was "now horrified that President Obama was able to cut a deal with Putin … that stops the war they so opposed?"


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http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023602944

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023636414
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10023635132
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3635563

Match the names and posts ... then apologize.

Next project ...


I hope the research is better on his next project.

[JimDandy]

125. Good thing I didn't waste any more time on his assertions, then.

And I didn't even focus on the 'horrified that Obama...' part.

Good work and thanks for doing a thorough check of the links!

[Autumn]

127. I just clicked the links and went to the OPs

if they want to point out individual posts, that's on him. His OP about Will Pitt was false, and the posters of the other OPs did not do what he accused either.

[JimDandy]

129. How embarrassing for OSBM. He should just delete this OP.

I've agreed with him a few times, but not here.

[azurnoir]

104. What I notice is that

a bunch of people that were real down with killing a bunch of Arabs via good ole US bombs when the POTUS and M$M told them to be are now attempting to claim some sort of victory because the POTUS blinked when he realized that 79% of the American people weren't with him on this one, but never mind all that call those of us us any name that makes you feel better but remember who hasn't had to twist and spin because we held stead fast all along or be glad that you and the POTUS finally caught up with us, I am

[KittyWampus]

126. there was almost no DU'ers "real down willing a bunch of Arabs". That is a bold faced lie.

The fact you start your post with an obvious lie negates the entire rest of your post.

[azurnoir]

131. oh so no one supported the POTUS bombing Syria errr ah Assad

but as I said whatever suits you

[Scootaloo]

152. Were you perhaps hoping that we'd fire the Nerf™ missiles?

With a possible escalation to the long-range foam noodles?

[Th1onein]

4. Hey, I'M one of "those people." And what you are saying is UNTRUE.

I am happy if there is a peaceful solution. Please don't attempt to characterize everyone based on YOUR perceptions, which are clearly wrong. I've seen NO ONE "horrified" that President Obama was able to cut a deal with Putin that stops the war. NO ONE. Why tell such a tall tale?

Got some kind of axe to grind?

[1StrongBlackMan]

14. Okay ...

remove the word "horrified" ... and replace it with "concerned" or "upset" whatever term you choose to indicate the duplicity of proudly standing with a Democratic opponent.

[Th1onein]

16. How about YOU remove the word "horrified"? I'm not the one who said it.

Listen, 1StrongBlackMan, just because someone opposes a policy of Obama's DOES NOT mean that they "proudly stand with a Democratic opponent." Some of us are just anti-war. And it's really bad to try to paint us as something else just because we disagree with the President. I am SICK of playing politics with people's lives. The people of Syria don't need our interference; just like the Iraqis didn't need our interference. It causes death. JUST. THAT. SIMPLE.

[1StrongBlackMan]

28. And other times ...

folks just stand with rand and other Democratic opponents.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023602944

Some of us are just anti-war. And it's really bad to try to paint us as something else just because we disagree with the President.

It might be "bad" but shouldn't those willing to stand with rand because they are anti-war, be happy with the diplomatic solution that avoided that war, even if it involved Putin?

[quakerboy]

42. I speak for me and only me

I am anti war, regardless of who is President. And while I take exception to your "stand with rand" Bologna, I am against a war, especially one where we are an aggressor in a foreign country.

And if (pardon my hedging, Ive been offline today, so haven't really had a chance to read up on the details yet) President Obama has found and successfully implemented a diplomatic way to rid the country of chemical weapons, without involving the USA in another war, I am quite pleased about that.

[Th1onein]

45. OF COURSE we are happy about it! WHY would YOU characterize us as "horrified"?

And nobody is "standing with Rand," for fuck's sake. That's just a chickenshit insult to those WHO ARE ANTI-WAR.

Shame, shame.

[VanillaRhapsody]

54. Apparently some around here think we are stupid...

and cannot remember things that they have said....and think we haven't noticed the stances they NOW have. Its pathetic.

[VanillaRhapsody]

56. Some of you don't just "disagree" with him...

you hate him with a burning passion...just cannot admit it now! and I LOVE watching you twist in the breeze...

[disidoro01]

116. You are wrong

Rand aligned himself with my anti-war views. I didn't align with him. You can try and shame those against war but it isn't going to work. You can take your MIC kid killing BS and stick it.

[pasto76]

38. hard to be anti war when nobody is talking about war

I lived the iraqi war. You trying to equivocate missile strikes with what I endured in Iraq, and how it diminishes the sacrifices we all made, is really, very disrespectful.

this situation in syria, BTW, bears ZERO resemblance to the situation about Iraq ten years ago.

[1StrongBlackMan]

39. Shhh ...

All or nothing on neo-DU.

[Th1onein]

46. Hey, you're not the only one who "made sacrifices."

Missiles are instruments of death, just like bullets. I lost a nephew in Iraq. Don't you DARE try to dictate to me what is or isn't disrespectful.

The situation in Syria was an Iraq redux, and you know it. If we had interfered over there, it would have been almost exactly like Iraq, but maybe much worse.

[1StrongBlackMan]

52. Wow ...

I, initially, was going to let it pass with just a "Wow"; but I can't ...

I have had family and friends killed and/or horribly disfigured in Iraq and Afghanistan; but I did not make any sacrifice ... they did. I just had the misfortune of knowing and loving those that did.

[VanillaRhapsody]

60. HELL NO it was NOT! WE KNOW and saw with our eyes the Chemical

do NOT sully the lives of those dead children trying to sit there and say it was the same. It was NOT...Iraq had no chemical weapons...ASSAD does.

[Union Scribe]

82. FFS. You're still doing this?

I know a fellow's got to have a trademark style or whatever, but your "it's disrespectful to soldiers to be anti-war" thing is probably the worst argument ever seen on DU. Try something else.

[sibelian]

93. "syria, BTW, bears ZERO resemblance to the situation about Iraq"

...

Yeah, nobody's joining in this time.

[disidoro01]

117. Bombing a

sovereign country is an act of war. You have a limited view of war, you also don't own the iraq war by yourself so you can hold down the indignation. You are completely wrong about how Iraq 10 years ago and Syria now don't compare. It was all about a pretense in Iraq regarding chemical weapons and we have the same theater now. By the way, we had assurances and credible proof that the iraq WMD program was ground to dust and we still went to war. We are not there yet but we are moving down the same road and I hope we never get there.
You can't understand this but when you send a missile into another country and kill innocent people, those people and their relatives tend to think war is being waged upon them. It isn't all about what you endured in Iraq, it is about what Iraq endured as well, can you dig it? just like Syria now.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

140. Tell the family of a victim of cruise missiles that their loved one wasn't killed by warfare

Talk about disrespectful.

[Scootaloo]

154. Launching missiles at another nation is an act of war

It's not hard to comprehend, is it?

Maybe that other nation will let it slide without retaliation - many have done so. But maybe they won't. That's always a risk when you perform an act of war.

Nit's not really a war, it's more of a "war," right? Good lord.

[Luminous Animal]

24. Hear! Hear! I haven't seen one anti-war person online or in real life who is not happy that Obama

Chose diplomacy over violence. We need to keep the pressure on our congresscritters and the White House.

[1StrongBlackMan]

41. Do I really have to post all the ...

"Yeah, but ..." threads?

[Th1onein]

47. So, you ADMIT that we are happy that there is a peaceful solution?

I rest my case.

[1StrongBlackMan]

68. Bullshit ...

note to you: When you have to cut out half of the words someone wrote to make your point ... YOU HAVE NO POINT!

[Th1onein]

77. Is this any better for you?

This is what you said: Do I have to post all of the "Yeah, but ..." threads?

You see the "Yeah," there? That's called an AGREEING, and in this case, they are agreeing that it is good that there is a peaceful solution to the Syria problem. Are you really going to dispute that?

[1StrongBlackMan]

86. Yeah, but ...

so I guess we agree!

[Th1onein]

141. Yes, we agree that you're accusing anti-war activists as being haters of Obama and randoids.

Without a shred of evidence, as is clearly shown by your inability to link a SINGLE POST to support your contentions.

[frylock]

53. yeah, i think you do..

and try and be specific this time. don't simply post a link to a thread with 100+ posts and tell us to match names. you made an accusation that you're incapable of backing up.

[1StrongBlackMan]

70. Yeah ...

Okay.

I made an accusation (and linked to my proof) that you are too lazy to read.

[frylock]

72. too lazy to read = i don't have shit..

see also "I'm not going to do your work for you." better luck tomorrow.

[HangOnKids]

110. Boom!

This shit is hilarious!

[SidDithers]

5. DU rec...nt

Sid

[JI7]

6. remember when Republicans didn't want Chicago to win on hosting the Olympcs ?

just because Obama was pushing for it. never mind that it is much bigger than Obama and would represent the entire nation. since Obama wanted it and tried to get it they opposed it.

now there are people who are actually disappointed we didn't go to war. i actually noticed this early on. remember how there was some news about attacks happening on the coming thursday ? and then people were insisting he would do them before he left for the G8. the more time that went by the more people seemed to get angry. and they got more angry when he went to Congress.

and they are really showing what they are about now and it certainly isn't about being for peace or anti war or anything good.

[wandy]

7. Keep in mind that for the most part republicans. Expect little of them. nt

[RetroLounge]

8. Uhm, no

RL

[HangOnKids]

111. Brevity From A Poet

Bang!

[RetroLounge]

115. These posts deserve no more than a haiku

actually, less.



RL

[DisgustipatedinCA]

142. "Uhm...no" That's the 1-1-0 meter "mini-ku".

And you're right--that's about all this thread deserves (although I've violated the two-syllable rule in this thread already).

[RetroLounge]

148. ...

RL

[C_U_L8R]

10. Speaking of Rand

Wasn't he supposed to deliver a "taped response" to the President address. I was ready for some good comedy.

[zbdent]

11. I wonder how many of THOSE "anti-war" randroids

were of the "Bomb 'em all and let God sort them out" types, prior to Obama having to do anything with anything ...

[Th1onein]

50. Really, zbdent? REALLY?

I'm anti-war, period. I think that most of us anti-war people are NOT "randoids," or whatever you want to paint us as, just because we don't stand behind Obama when he wants to get us into yet ANOTHER military conflict in the Middle East.

[1awake]

67. I am NOT anti-war, period.

But I have had ENOUGH of having US troops all over the damn globe dying, as well as having the US stick it's military nose in situations it shouldn't. We end up with a lot of body bags, broken families, VAST amounts of cash moving in the wrong direction, and creating uncountable numbers of "terrorists" who we then have to use more military instruments to counter. I am tired of the never ending cycle our country seems to have fallen into (or by design).

I don't care who is president at this point (on this issue), I am going to be against any such action. Much like the surveliance issues we now face... the previous sentence also applies to that.

I AM NOT ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE ISSUES... The government is whether it is controlled by a D or an R.

[Th1onein]

81. THANK YOU.

You put it much better than I ever could. I agree with you wholeheartedly.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

88. Pretty frickin' unbelieveable, huh?

Talk about a "derangement syndrome"....

[Hell Hath No Fury]

87. Shall I dig up the pictures of the --

seemingly endless anti-war protests I and others here marched at under a DU banner back during the Bush years?? How about the two arrests?

I'll be blunt: I don't give a flying FUCK if it is George W. Bush or Barack H. Obama calling for military strikes against a country that has done us ZERO harm -- I will fight tooth and nail against them to stop such insanity.



Ah, how I long for the Bush years, when "anti-war" was a Democratic principle.....

[noiretextatique]

135. +1000

hellhathnofury is right

[Hell Hath No Fury]

136. Menopause --

It'll do that to a girl.

[noiretextatique]

157. i am fearless these days

there is little I fear given the FACT that I haven't had a good night's sleep in 7 years and I've had hot flashes for over ten years. bring it on, bitches

[Hell Hath No Fury]

158. HA!

I soooo know that feeling. I'm in full Joan Crawford Mode these days -

[noiretextatique]

159. i love Joan!!!

do NOT fuck with a menopausal woman

[Hell Hath No Fury]

160. Amen, sister!

[DisgustipatedinCA]

150. Damn right! Good post.

[Kolesar]

13. In a country of 300 million, 100 compulsive flamebots have found their way to this forum

They will say *anything* to advance their anti-Pelosi, anti-Obama agenda.
As of last night, they have had to make a tight turn.

[madrchsod]

40. no shit....

but in eleven years we have seen them come on go...

[Snake Plissken]

15. what did rand say?

I wasn't paying attention

[1StrongBlackMan]

17. I rarely ...

willingly listen to rand because I'm convinced that nothing that he has to say ... I will agree with.

[Yavin4]

21. Rand is a blatant racist trying to appeal to younger voters

by appearing to be anti-war, and so many DUers here are suckers for him.

[1StrongBlackMan]

31. The enemy ...

of my enemy is my friend ... or something like that.

[madrchsod]

43. till the common enemy is gone then what? you still have that enemy.

[Snake Plissken]

33. Rand is basically intellectually lazy, but his simpleton shtick seems to have some appeal ...

to other simpletons,

I seriously doubt that he can even point to Syria on a map, so it would be very wise of him not to attempt to bomb it.

[Yavin4]

18. DU has gone over the edge with Obama hatred.

It's fashionable to just hate him without looking at the facts.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

25. Some of us were just disapointed he's following the classic DC formula of other Presidents....

It's the 21st Century.

The hell with 20th Century tradition.

Get out there and say we're going through the United Nations and tell the Right Wing that freaks out over the idea that Jesusland isn't gonna happen to go fuck themselves.

[1StrongBlackMan]

35. Telling ...

someone to fuck themselves works on the play-ground and in relationships that you can walk away from; not so much in attempting to govern. Though it does feel good.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

37. ....as if Republicans know about governing.

[1StrongBlackMan]

44. They do not ...

but telling them to fuck themselves doesn't help Democrats govern.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

48. That's how they define it....

Along with the aged, the poor, minorities and women.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

19. I see it as yelling at the annoying neighbor to curb his dog.

[rury]

20. I noticed

President Obama's detractors HATE to see him succeed and refuse to give him credit.
They are pathetic!

[Avalux]

22. Rand Paul has been against military action, yet tonight wants to take Assad out.

They can't ever agree with Obama, or 'god' will smite them with lightning bolts.

[dionysus]

132. really? link?

[leftstreet]

23. Bullshit. What 'horrified' DUers are against a peace deal?

Are you drinking?

You've got it completely upside down and backasswards

The small DU contingent screeching to justify missiles flying are the same ones now screeching about Putin

Good grief

[Luminous Animal]

30. The only purpose is to demonize anti war DUers

Even the links he provided do squat to make his case.

[1StrongBlackMan]

73. Yeah right ... n/t

[1StrongBlackMan]

51. I did not say ...

'horrified' DUers are against a peace deal ... go back and read what I wrote.

No ... here:

... are now horrified that President Obama was able to cut a deal with Putin … that stops the war they so opposed?

Yeah ... good grief. Cutting out a word or two, really can change the meaning of a post. But you know that and your doing it was completely innocent. Right?

[Luminous Animal]

59. Why would anti-war DUers be horrified that he cut a deal with Putin to stop the war?

I keep trying to find a thread that supports this and I can't find a one.

[1StrongBlackMan]

75. I'm sure you can't ...

what does "Why but" mean to you?

Never-mind ... you can't see what you do not want to see.

[Luminous Animal]

76. And you haven't been able to come up with even one example.

[1StrongBlackMan]

80. I posted it ...

you just won't look.

I hear that works with ostriches, too.

[sibelian]

92. Where?

[Maedhros]

105. You posted links to threads

and expected us to sift through the hundreds of responses and "match names with posts."

That is not posting evidence. If you want to make a stronger case, go find individual posts that illustrate what you are accusing people of posting. That way we are reading the posts you are intending for us to see, without the possibility of miscommunication.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

143. You posted a bunch of links to me that don't prove your claim

If you're referring to some other part of this thread, do let me know. But in no way did you provide me with any sort of proof in your response to me.

[Union Scribe]

57. There isn't a one. Not a one.

The OP is so invested in bullshit they must own a fertilizer business.

[VanillaRhapsody]

66. The only ones I see "screeching about Putin" are the ones that cannot give Obama credit.

[1StrongBlackMan]

78. And name check those ...

with those that "Yepped" on Pitts "I stand with rand" thread ... that several "anti-war" folks can't seem to find ... though it is posted in response to the first challenge.

[VanillaRhapsody]

79. Yeah I think there are alot of posers around NeoDU.

Wolves in sheeps clothing...

[Maedhros]

106. Here is Pitts' thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023602944

I will reproduce it here in full:

I don't give a shit about Rand Paul, or Obama's political standing, or House GOP motivations.

If this Syria nonsense makes for strange bedfellows, so be it.

Stop trying to tell me I'm allied with Rand Paul, or screwing the president, or assisting the House GOP because I think attacking Syria is dangerous, foolish madness.

You're wrong, we're right. Period, end of file.

If Mr. Obama didn't want his balls in this particular vise, he should not have dangled them there. I'm not going to support blowing more children sideways out of their bedrooms and potentially sparking a region-wide conflagration just because the president boxed himself in, or because it means I might agree with a Republican. Of all the reasons to support this shitstorm, those are easily the dumbest of the lot.

The hyper-authoritarian impulse to support WHATEVER THE BOSS SAYS NO MATTER WHAT WHAAARGARBLE is not solely a right-wing phenomenon.

I was not born with that particular gene, and I thank God for it every single day.

So go peddle those papers somewhere else. You're wrong, and you're boring.

At no point does he say he "stands with Rand", nor does he express agreement with or support for Rand Paul's policies. In fact, he says "I don't give a shit about Rand Paul" and asks that posters to "stop trying to tell me I'm allied with Rand Paul."

To try and conflate Pitts' post, as you have done, with support for Rand Paul is deliberately misleading and an outright misrepresentation of the contents of the post. You are actually engaging in the exact behavior that Pitts' post is calling out as unacceptable, thus providing a perfect example.

What's worse is that you must know that you are doing so, yet choose to do it anyway in an effort to insult Pitts and everyone else who has been adamant in opposing a military strike on Syria. If this is the kind of "evidence" you claim is so damning to the anti-war contingent, then you have much more work to do my friend before your screeds become halfway believable.

[1StrongBlackMan]

118. You are correct ...

I was going from a memory of Pitts thread ... I remembered "paul" and a sense that Pitt and paul were on the same page. (Most people that read his OP, had the same reading ... check the comments) So my linking to his thread was inappropriate and unexcusably sloppy/lazy on my part. I apologize to anyone mislead and/or offended, and offer the following:

Notice how …

The same folks that didn't give a shit that they were on the same page as rand paul (the anti-Democrat)” and not giving a damn who knows it because it’s all about stopping the/a war, now give a shit that President Obama was able to cut a deal with Putin … despite the general belief that the deal stops the war they so opposed?

Better?

[Maedhros]

130. Not really - you are making a generalization that doesn't ring true.

I don't see anybody criticizing the Russian plan to have Assad turn his weapons over to an independent body. I know I certainly am in favor of the plan, since it precludes an American military response.

[another_liberal]

26. Who the hell would those "same folks" be?

I don't know of anyone like that on DU.

[Whisp]

27. noticed and expected. been there done that many times here. n/t

[sibelian]

65. Really?

Where?

[Tikki]

29. Correct....Like the song says...."facts don't do what they want them to...."

Tikki

[Marr]

32. You couldn't stuff another misrepresentation in there somewhere?

For one, I don't know of any DUers who described themselves as "standing with Rand". For another, I don't know of any that are against a deal to prevent war here.

If you have links to back those statements up, please provide them.

[QC]

121. You know, this is the same kind of dishonest shit that HamdenRice used to specialize in.

Gee, I wonder what that asshole has been up to lately?

[Hell Hath No Fury]

36. Uh.

This anti-war DUer is THRILLED that O has been given a way out of the Syria trap he got himself into.

If this works, it will be a great day for our country. And kudos to O, Putin, and al-Assad for walking away from the abyss.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

49. "Just saying": Immediate way to discount a post.

Not to mention the bullshit accusations preceding the "just saying."

Who is horrified? And don't hide behind the "call-out" excuse.

[Union Scribe]

55. No I haven't noticed that

Mostly because it's 100% bullshit.

[MzShellG]

58. Indeed....

I mentioned this to someone earlier.

[Marrah_G]

61. My views on bombing people have not changed just because the president is a Democrat n/t

[PowerToThePeople]

62. The only people that ever mention any "Pauls" are BOGers

The rest of us never say a damn thing about them.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

69. Funny how that works. (n/t)

[sibelian]

63. Well, no. I haven't noticed that at all.

Can you point me in its direction?

[Generic Other]

64. I will be very glad if Obama keeps the peace

I am only stunned that he suggested that those who call for peace are some how immoral for refusing to attack Syria. That is an insult coming from any official who supports the killing done by the US government in our names and against our will.

[grahamhgreen]

71. N one is horrified that Obama is now doing what we told him to do, in my view.

[Whisp]

74. he was doing things way before you even knew

and were probably obsessing over The One That Snows or some other dull bauble adventure.

yah, you told him good. ha.

[Th1onein]

83. Yeah, sure he was. I think this whole intervention in Syria was a way to get the SPYING off of the

front page.

[Whisp]

85. the spying thing is off the front page of DU because

another dull bauble was found.

Is Obama forbidding you from posting about the Russian Spy and his heroisms?

and hey, Where's Greenwaldo? Isn't he the mover and shaker on the topic? Don't see him here much lately.

Go badger him.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

144. Oh, don't worry. That's FAR from over, and in my mind, it's still the bigger story

I haven't forgotten, and I'll never forget what those treasonous fucks are doing to this country. The NSA stories aren't going away. You'd better get used to it.

[Th1onein]

156. You just made my case for me! Thank you!

Whisp, can you possibly make your points without resorting to rudeness? I really don't like to alert on people, but there's a line that I don't allow people to cross and you're getting really close to it with this: "Go badger him."

[sibelian]

96. Yeah, he told UK Parliament to vote against military strikes.

Smart guy. Long game.

[Whisp]

99. sure. apparently he told the UK to hold Miranda

re: the Russian Spy stuff and Where's Greenwaldo fiasco.

[sibelian]

134. THAT'S plausible.

Demanding that Cameron fall on his sword isn't.

[1StrongBlackMan]

84. This is getting more and more funny ...

if it weren't so sad ...

post after posts acting all brand new about their standing with rand and others here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023602944

Then denying their "Yeah, but ... Putin" bullshit posts that covered the DU front page ... as if no one can go to the threads and read for themselves.

Where have I seen that tact before????

[Union Scribe]

89. What are you ranting about?

I mean, shit you're really bad at this "gotcha" thing. That's a post saying we oppose military intervention in Syria regardless of who else does or doesn't and what the personality-obsessed here call us because of our stance. What exactly do you think that evidences? What nefarious doings have we committed by having a stance and not compromising it based on stupid name-calling on DU?

[Hell Hath No Fury]

91. I am really at a loss on this one...

Mind-numbing. Truly.

[Union Scribe]

94. As far as I can tell

It goes:

1. Link to apparently random post (http://www.democraticunderground.com/116112957)
2. Totally misrepresent what it's about and apply it to posters who didn't write it ("I got you Hell Hath No Fury! Stop eating dogs! Yeah, BOOM! Gotcha!"
3. Disappear in a cloud of the confusion your post caused
4. Repeat.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

97. That hurt my brain.

Must be it!

[HangOnKids]

113. Yeah The B Team Is Playing

Maybe the C team, not sure I have to get some nonsense links to back that up. But they love Rand I KNOW THAT!

[Hell Hath No Fury]

90. ...

[nomorenomore08]

98. I agree that using the word "horrified" is unfair. Other than that, I don't have a problem

with the OP. And I know, even a stopped clock etc. etc., and I've never been the biggest Obama fan around here either, but I wouldn't be too quick to "stand with Rand" even on the rare occasions he happens to be right. Lest I be tainted with his blatant racism and general cluelessness.

[disidoro01]

119. Right

Rand was against bombing Syria, since he said that, we need to bomb them? Your post is bullshit if you are saying that everyone against military intervention sides with Rand. Who do you side with, Cheney?
I read into your post that you would rather kill men women and children rather than share a viewpoint with Rand. That is sad.

[nomorenomore08]

137. Not at all. I'm completely opposed to military action in Syria. I've said so here before.

And I'm extremely glad that the President has taken the steps he has to avert war. I just wouldn't be eager to side with Paul in criticizing him.

[L0oniX]

102. OFFS

[freshwest]

107. Read pro-war-riors and anti-war-riors have the same energy. More hate than love. No surprises.

[Bradical79]

147. Acusing anti-war advocates of being hateful

Seems pretty backwards.

[Hekate]

114. KnR, 1SBM

It's a puzzlement

[LWolf]

120. Nope.

Not only did I not "stand with Rand," proudly or otherwise, and was somehow able to know that war is wrong without Rand's help, I didn't notice other DUers having that problem, either.

And now...horrified? No. Relieved that there is at least a temporary pause in the march to bomb more people? Yes.

Obama? Fuck. It's not about, was never about, will never be about, Obama. Not for me. It's about war being wrong. Period.

Do you have a position on bombing for peace that is not about Barack Obama?

[G_j]

123. I haven't noticed any such thing

[G_j]

124. Who keeps bringing up Rand?

it's not us "peace purists" it's the Boggers repeatedly trying to associate us with the Pauls.

[bigwillq]

128. I can only think of 1 Strong Man.

[L0oniX]

139. Graham4anything is gone so it must be the usual idiotic framing. Crack is bbbbbbaaaaddddd. n/t

[B Calm]

133. Yes I've noticed the drama from those folks! K&R

[Summer Hathaway]

138. There are some here

who (although they are smart enough to not admit it) are truly devastated that a diplomatic solution will most likely prevail here.

They have been salivating over the idea of portraying Obama as the blood-thirsty warmonger, and they are now furious that their golden opportunity to do so has been snatched from their fingers.

Posing as 'peace-lovers', so as to blend in with those who actually are anti-war, their true desire was to have yet another weapon in their arsenal with which to bludgeon Obama.

I've no doubt that some of them have been busy drafting outraged OPs, and photoshopping images of a grinning, blood-drenched Obama, ready to post at the appropriate moment.

Hell hath no fury like an Obama-hater whose bast-laid plans have been undone.

[great white snark]

145. "Hell hath no fury like an Obama-hater whose bast-laid plans have been undone."

It's just like when they had their "bigot" rattlers taken away after he came out for marriage equality.

[dionysus]

149. "bigot rattlers"...

some people still play with those though...

[Bradical79]

146. No I'm not noticing that.

I do see a lot of pro-war loyalists pretending they new all along that President Obama was cutting a deal and claiming victory before they crossing the finish line. I see a lot of people treating the whole Syrian situation like a game or sport with Obama as their favorite competitor. It's why they push billshit like Rand being their hero because his own games brought him down on the antiwar side, or because they are less than comfortable with the things exposed by Manning and Snowden. It's all lies, projection, and misdirection from people who care more about their guy winning than actions and their consequences.

[sheshe2]

151. Yup, I noticed. DU rec.

[Barack_America]

153. Mmm hmmm.

Good point.

[NuclearDem]

155. Not the case at all.

It's a reaction to the personality cultists who claim this was some brilliant nth-dimensional checkmate.

People here who stand against intervention largely do so because it's principle. The personality types on the other hand knew jerk constantly when someone doesn't utterly fawn over everything their particular politician of choice does.