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DearAbby

(12,461 posts)
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 02:52 PM Sep 2013

It's a matter of trust.

I listened last night to the President's speech. I feel it must come down to trust. Do I trust Obama will do everything in his power to achieve the goal, that a strike would be the last resort?

Well look what he has achieved so far. Obama didn't have to lay down his hand, and seek approval of Congress, or the people. If he had wanted war,w e would already be dealing with the after effects.

Obama isn't Bush.

The threat was enough to bring both Putin and Assad to admit the weapons exist. Just the threat. Obama talking, but it's that big stick that is keeping the focus on the goal. People listening. He has already shown us he will avoid war, and try this diplomatically. Again if he had wanted war, he would have flat out rejected the latest attempts. I am going to have to trust President Obama, that he has the integrity of the man I voted for. It's a matter of trust.

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It's a matter of trust. (Original Post) DearAbby Sep 2013 OP
This is also in the best interests of Russia DearAbby Sep 2013 #1
Thank you, Abby~ Cha Sep 2013 #2
thank you Cha. DearAbby Sep 2013 #3
Good post. Whisp Sep 2013 #4
Considering all of Jamaal510 Sep 2013 #5
he painted himself into a corner, and putin bailed him out markiv Sep 2013 #6
He didnt paint himself into a corner DearAbby Sep 2013 #7
yes he did markiv Sep 2013 #8
Talk to the hand dude... DearAbby Sep 2013 #10
lots of selling, but nobody's buying markiv Sep 2013 #11
unfortunately hfojvt Sep 2013 #9
Because it is in Russia's interest also... kentuck Sep 2013 #12
+1 Especially with Bandar funding and arming Chechen terrorists n/t Catherina Sep 2013 #13

DearAbby

(12,461 posts)
1. This is also in the best interests of Russia
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 04:56 PM
Sep 2013

what are the chances, the US and Russia having common goals of getting those chemical weapons out of Syria? Neither side should be trusted to have control, Assad or the Rebels. Having Chemical weapons lose on Russia's flank could never be good for Putin. He has no reason to trust Assad would not use them again.

It could be a fresh step towards diplomacy between these two countries. Both leaders can come out looking well for their part of history. It would be a WIN WIN for all.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
4. Good post.
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 05:07 PM
Sep 2013

There is no one in all of politics that is as trustworthy. I think we are so used to the terrible, money grubbing dishonest leaders we just expect him to be like that too

but he isn't

And just imagine what could be done if he had more support, especially in Congress. Him having to fight those grotesque creatures every step of the way, every day, and then have 'democrats' rag on his ass every step of every day... oiy.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
5. Considering all of
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 05:37 PM
Sep 2013

his foreign (and domestic) accomplishments thus far, one would either have to be a liar or living in a cave to compare Obama to Bush ll. It all goes back to that one thread I saw yesterday about the box of chocolates, where the person throws out the whole thing just because there is one flavor they don't like.

 

markiv

(1,489 posts)
6. he painted himself into a corner, and putin bailed him out
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 05:44 PM
Sep 2013

i once put 2 darts straight into the center of the bullseye

lucky shot, had almost no reflection on my ability at darts

DearAbby

(12,461 posts)
7. He didnt paint himself into a corner
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 05:52 PM
Sep 2013

He wanted to open dialog re: chemical weapons use. The Red line was the world's red line. Putin would have never responded without that threat. Obama can achieve the goal without firing one shot. I would call that a win win for the world.

DearAbby

(12,461 posts)
10. Talk to the hand dude...
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 06:07 PM
Sep 2013

you would crucify Obama no matter what he does, go do your Putin worship...but remember this pal...It was Assad and Putin who blinked. Think you are up to playing poker with Obama, because Assad and Putin folded.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
9. unfortunately
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 06:06 PM
Sep 2013

he has spent four years proving that we cannot trust him.

Now for myself, I have not gotten terribly excited about Syria, or drones, or the NSA (except for the fact that they still haven't hired me (come on guys, 800 on the quantitative GRE (you know my number, give me a call)))

But, in general, this "I am going to have to trust President Obama, that he has the integrity of the man I voted for." seems sadly naive.

Although I am sure I can no more convince you of that, than I could back in 2005 with a Bush supporter. For some reason politics makes a lot of people just close their minds and they only get angry when you criticize "their guy".

But in another sense, some of the criticism does seem phony as Democrats criticized Bush for some things and then turned around and did the same damned things. Tax cuts for the rich are okay when our guy does it.

kentuck

(111,056 posts)
12. Because it is in Russia's interest also...
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 06:12 PM
Sep 2013

The "rebels" may be very close to getting their hands on Assad's chemical weapons, if they haven't already? This is not something Putin would want in the terrorists' hands, because Russia could very well be a target as much as anyone else in the world. It is in his self-interest to get them under control. I think he is very serious in his negotiation with Obama. This is a very fluid and dangerous situation.

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