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Peacetrain

(22,870 posts)
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 04:40 PM Sep 2013

Study: Wind farms killed 67 eagles in 5 years


We do need to develop some technology that would spook the birds out of the way of the turbines.. living in Iowa.. we have huge windfarms with turbines every fairly close together.


http://news.yahoo.com/study-wind-farms-killed-67-eagles-5-years-160226373.html

WASHINGTON (AP) — Wind energy facilities have killed at least 67 golden and bald eagles in the last five years, but the figure could be much higher, according to a new scientific study by government biologists.

The research represents one of the first tallies of eagle deaths attributed to the nation's growing wind energy industry, which has been a pillar of President Barack Obama's plans to reduce the pollution blamed for global warming. Wind power releases no air pollution.

But at a minimum, the scientists wrote, wind farms in 10 states have killed at least 85 eagles since 1997, with most deaths occurring between 2008 and 2012, as the industry was greatly expanding. Most deaths — 79 — were golden eagles that struck wind turbines. One of the eagles counted in the study was electrocuted by a power line.
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Study: Wind farms killed 67 eagles in 5 years (Original Post) Peacetrain Sep 2013 OP
As a bird lover, every such death is cause for sadness. geek tragedy Sep 2013 #1
so true.. but there will be a way to address this Peacetrain Sep 2013 #4
Noise is the best answer. Baitball Blogger Sep 2013 #21
That is a good idea, but Jamastiene Sep 2013 #33
I wonder if there is some way of painting the blades. Turbineguy Sep 2013 #2
The hawks do not seem to be bothered by the blades Peacetrain Sep 2013 #6
That's not that many birds. Look at how many birds airplanes kill every year. liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #3
that is what I am thinking Peacetrain Sep 2013 #7
I was about to ask about jets, too... Blue_Tires Sep 2013 #13
sorry posted that in the wrong place.. Peacetrain Sep 2013 #20
putting that into perspective.... Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #5
+1 n/t X_Digger Sep 2013 #8
That's billions with a "b". NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #9
No one is going to take down windpower .. Peacetrain Sep 2013 #14
I wonder what ideas are being floated to reduce the number of collisions. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #22
I was just posting Peacetrain Sep 2013 #27
How about some really fricking awesome scarecrows! randome Sep 2013 #28
Wonder if they were able to attach Peacetrain Sep 2013 #10
I'm definitely all for anything that might lessen the mortality rate of birds due to turbines Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #11
I doubt a single one of that billion is an eagle though. Bandit Sep 2013 #34
Were the majority of these deaths at night? randome Sep 2013 #12
what a good idea.. led lights.. +1 Peacetrain Sep 2013 #17
are eagles nocturnal? Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #18
No, they're not. randome Sep 2013 #24
true. and a lot of wind power has to be shut down at night because usage goes down so much Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #26
Which is why mice and salmon are the leading proponents of wind energy. Robb Sep 2013 #15
lololol. but what about the BEARS!? those godless killing machines? Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #19
Win! Brother Buzz Sep 2013 #25
Not to make light, but my living room window has a higher kill ratio with sparrows. Crimson76 Sep 2013 #16
someone posted further up the thread Peacetrain Sep 2013 #23
Is there any chance that natural selection will SheilaT Sep 2013 #29
Surely there's something they can do to the blades so birds don't get whacked by them. Vashta Nerada Sep 2013 #30
How many were killed by gunshot? SecularMotion Sep 2013 #31
We should go for vertical wind devices, like the old fashion barber pole, which CK_John Sep 2013 #32
There are a number of companies working on new turbine designs: Buns_of_Fire Sep 2013 #35
Bet the nuke lobbyists are being told to promote this study Generic Other Sep 2013 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author TexasTowelie Sep 2013 #37
Improvements A Little Weird Sep 2013 #38
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
1. As a bird lover, every such death is cause for sadness.
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 04:42 PM
Sep 2013

On the other hand, climate change and deforestation from mining are much bigger culprits for reducing bird populations.

Baitball Blogger

(46,655 posts)
21. Noise is the best answer.
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 04:55 PM
Sep 2013

Something unpleasant that only they can hear, and would want to avoid.

It would be wonderful if we could figure out what the warning cry for danger is to an eagle, and play it over and over again.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
33. That is a good idea, but
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 05:21 PM
Sep 2013

because eagles are predators and not prey, I'm not sure if scientists know their calls for danger. It would have to be done with each species. With prey birds, many species have distinctive calls for danger. Predator birds probably do have calls that they use for protecting their nests when their babies might be in danger. They might, if they look at video footage (with audio), be able to find what call that is and what reaction the eagles have to it.

If the reaction is to go to that sound, they could not use it, but if the reaction is to try to get away from that sound (the sound of crows when they gang up on eagles and hawks, for instance, is easy to recognize when you hear it), then, they could use those calls on a motion sensed loop for a few minutes anytime anything flies near the wind farms.

That might could help with red tailed hawks, because they know when the crows are going to chase after them by the certain types of calls the crows use to rally the troops and begin making calls of their own and hightailing it out of the area. I've seen and heard them do it. I now know when the hawks are flying around frantically and making that certain call that they've been recently chased by crows. So, other species might have some kind of call that they do for danger that means get out of that area. For birds of prey, at least in my area, it would not hurt to try recording the crows when they are doing that and see if it works. I doubt it would cost very much to put a few speakers up with a proximity switch or motion sensor that activates a loop of the crows doing their "let's gang up on this hawk" call they seem to use when they do that.

For the east coast of the US, for many of the songbirds, they could just use the sound of an eastern gray squirrel barking that one certain bark they have for danger. The songbirds know what that means. I have seen an eastern gray squirrel doing it's warning barking and the birds react to it and get defensive as well.

It sounds like a good idea to me and certainly would be worth trying. I hate to see any of the birds hurt, but at the same time, would like for wind power to be even more environmentally friendly. This idea might work. If they could make it a little more specific and somehow could detect the weight of the bird flying too close and have the specific calls for birds in that weight range go off depending on the weight the electronics circuit calculates, it would work even better. I would love to see that tried. I dream big, I know.

Turbineguy

(37,278 posts)
2. I wonder if there is some way of painting the blades.
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 04:43 PM
Sep 2013

There's probably research or perhaps there should be.

Peacetrain

(22,870 posts)
6. The hawks do not seem to be bothered by the blades
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 04:46 PM
Sep 2013

I see them sitting on the fence posts by the gazillions.. and of course the Canadian geese etc.. so I wonder if it is something peculiar to the sensory system of the eagles.. Yep this should light some fires under research

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
3. That's not that many birds. Look at how many birds airplanes kill every year.
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 04:43 PM
Sep 2013

It's not a bad idea to try and find a way to spook the birds into flying around them though.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
5. putting that into perspective....
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 04:44 PM
Sep 2013


No one knows what birds see when they look out at the world, says ornithologist Daniel Klem, but he's sure they don't see glass. He estimates that at least 1 billion birds are killed by flying into windows every year in the United States


http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5076012
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
9. That's billions with a "b".
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 04:49 PM
Sep 2013

But then they aren't eagles.

In any event, I say we move forward with wind power. A climate changed world is a whole shittier future for us and for birds alike.

Peacetrain

(22,870 posts)
14. No one is going to take down windpower ..
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 04:52 PM
Sep 2013
it is a huge and massive industry here..and it is awesome.. but we can do both, take care of the eagles and save the planet by getting off fossil fuels..
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
22. I wonder what ideas are being floated to reduce the number of collisions.
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 04:56 PM
Sep 2013

I understand that the larger turbines are a minor improvement over smaller for some species.

I wonder visual or audio or even radio frequency features could be developed that would warn or repel large raptors.

Peacetrain

(22,870 posts)
27. I was just posting
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 05:00 PM
Sep 2013

it does not seem to affect the hawks.. they are more plentiful now than I have seen in years..on every other fence post one is sitting.. oh frogs.. they are making a comeback.. I went down to a little man made lake locally..and it was frog heaven..I have not seen that many frogs in a decade if not more.. I wonder if the toxicity levels are starting to come down locally.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
28. How about some really fricking awesome scarecrows!
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 05:00 PM
Sep 2013

[hr][font color="blue"][center]You should never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font][hr]

Peacetrain

(22,870 posts)
10. Wonder if they were able to attach
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 04:49 PM
Sep 2013

streamers of some sort that would give extra dimensions to the blades.. I mean they are a thing of beauty to watch..but when they get going at a fair clip..they can become more blurry

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
12. Were the majority of these deaths at night?
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 04:51 PM
Sep 2013

If so, maybe some of the power being generated could be used to 'decorate' the turbines with tiny lights?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]You should never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font][hr]

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
24. No, they're not.
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 04:58 PM
Sep 2013

Still, bleeding off a trifling bit of wind power to light the turbines might save some avian lives.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]You should never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font][hr]

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
26. true. and a lot of wind power has to be shut down at night because usage goes down so much
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 05:00 PM
Sep 2013

and the load on transmission lines would be too great.

If we can solve the mass energy storage problem....wind power's greatness would go up by a factor of 100.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
19. lololol. but what about the BEARS!? those godless killing machines?
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 04:55 PM
Sep 2013

Hey, how about we now refer to wind power as Godless Killing Machines TM.

Peacetrain

(22,870 posts)
23. someone posted further up the thread
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 04:56 PM
Sep 2013

an npr article about birds flying into window.. really interesting

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
29. Is there any chance that natural selection will
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 05:00 PM
Sep 2013

eventually help out here? The birds who figure out how to avoid the wind turbines will reproduce more. Those who don't, won't.

 

Vashta Nerada

(3,922 posts)
30. Surely there's something they can do to the blades so birds don't get whacked by them.
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 05:00 PM
Sep 2013

Maybe put lights on them or paint them in a color that birds of prey can see?

 

SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
31. How many were killed by gunshot?
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 05:04 PM
Sep 2013
Causes of Mortality

Most bald eagle mortality is human-related, either directly or indirectly. Of 1,428 individuals examined by the National Wildlife Health Center from 1963 to 1984, death was attributed to following causes


Cause Number Percent
Trauma
(impact with wires or vehicles) 329 23%
Gunshot 309 22%
Poisoning 158 11%
Electrocution 130 9%
Trapping 68 5%
Emaciation 110 8%
Disease 31 2%
Undetermined 93 20%

http://www.dgif.virginia.gov/wildlife/birds/bald-eagles.asp

CK_John

(10,005 posts)
32. We should go for vertical wind devices, like the old fashion barber pole, which
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 05:21 PM
Sep 2013

could be screened in.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,142 posts)
35. There are a number of companies working on new turbine designs:
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 05:33 PM
Sep 2013

This one uses an oscillating wing: http://www.vortexosc.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=87

This one looks like a big flower: http://www.gizmag.com/saphonian-bladeless-wind-turbine/24890/

Both are touted as being more efficient, and at least birds should be smart enough to realize that flying full-tilt into a giant flower probably isn't the best of ideas.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
36. Bet the nuke lobbyists are being told to promote this study
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 06:10 PM
Sep 2013

A lot more eagles killed by collisions with autos and gunshots from hunters not to mention pesticides.

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A Little Weird

(1,754 posts)
38. Improvements
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 07:30 PM
Sep 2013

Hopefully they can improve turbine design and how they position them to minimize the impacts to the birds. I suspect that the impacts to eagles from fossil fuels are worse but it's just harder to measure.

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