Greenwald Promotes Oath Keepers on 9/11 for Running Pro-Snowden Ads

[Bolo Boffin]

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To say that the Oath Keepers are a “coalition of current and former military, police, and other public officials” may be somewhat accurate, but that hardly tells the whole story.

Tweets aren’t necessarilyendorsements, however in this case I think its safe to assume that it is given the subject matter. They’re pro-Snowden, after all.

Either Greenwald isn’t aware of who the Oath Keepers are, or he is and approves of their message.

To barely scratch the surface, the Oath Keepers are a right wing, libertarian militia that believes wild conspiracies about the president, the U.N., gun control, and FEMA concentration camps.

The quoted section of the Southern Poverty Law Center's report on the Oathkeepers is eye-opening. Sometime, Mr. Greenwald, you don't want to revel in the fact that certain groups support what you're doing.

[VanillaRhapsody]

1. What next the KKK?

You know they disagree with everything Obama does!

[dionysus]

2. lord high douchenozzle lying by omission? he would NEVER do that!

[DevonRex]

17. The links even wind up at The List: Don't prevent a state from seceding,

Don't blockade a US city or put civilians in a camp run by the government. Don't help a foreign force invade the US. Don't take Americans' guns away!!!!

Batshit crazy stuff. They're all birthers. Glenn really needs to understand that these yahoos all think he's a sick, unnatural, evil person just because he's gay. Or maybe he doesn't care, like he didn't care when he worked for that Neo-Nazi Hale guy, as the group's civil attorney. They hated Jews and it didn't bother Glenn to take their money, either. Even when it got to murder. Go figure.

[MNBrewer]

3. Greenwald Derangement Syndrome

[Bolo Boffin]

5. He is deranged for trying to gloss over this heinous organization's CV

just to promote an endorsement.

[KittyWampus]

10. He's spoken at far right groups… this is parr for the course with Greenwald.

But the article, rather casually, revealed that Glenn Greenwald had been a speaker on something fatuously named The Young American Liberty Tour “with three civil liberties experts,” titled “The War on Terrorism, Civil Liberties, and the Constitution’.”

That’s a lot of liberty.

The other two experts were that selfsame Bruce Fein, a weird perpetual GOP sleazeball, and Jacob Hornberger, who thinks the US was better off before the Civil War.

The real 5-alarm bell-ringer, though, was the moderator, Jack Hunter, the goddamn luchador of the losers, the Southern Avenger.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/42436_The_Convergence_of_Glenn_Greenwald_and_Rand_Pauls_Southern_Avenger

[dionysus]

18. well, glen has two different types of ODS. the common strain. and the new Oathkeeper-DS

[Summer Hathaway]

78. No.

Greenwald Derangement Syndrome would be evident if people posted completely fabricated stories about him, attributed quotes to him that he never said, or opined on behavior he never engaged in.

When people post verifiable FACTS about the man, that is not representative of any syndrome. It is, as uncomfortable as it makes his fans, simply a matter of telling the truth.

Being that GG is attempting to make a career out of the importance of truth-telling, he shouldn't be shielded from the truth of his own words and actions - especially by his "truth-seeking" followers.

[Cha]

80. Exactly and Thank you, Summer. But, I will admit to hating that deranged

"ratfucker

Web definitions

Dirty tricks are unethical, duplicitous, slanderous or illegal tactics employed to destroy or diminish the effectiveness of political or business opponents. ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratfucker"

[Blue_Tires]

4. Not surprising, given some of Greenwald's other "unholy alliances"

and as I posted in the other thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014592393#post5

[geek tragedy]

6. Glenn "I support Citizens United" Greenwald promoting

rightwing astroturf cranks?

Next thing you know, he'll be working with the Koch Brothers empire . . .

[Whisp]

9. I was wondering where Greenwaldo was these days...

now I see.

Takes a while to identify him from the pack of jackals he consorts with, but There He Is!

[Dawson Leery]

7. Oathkeepers? Glenn is slumming it now.

[randome]

8. Anything to keep the show alive.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.[/center][/font][hr]

[KittyWampus]

12. don't use the term ratfucking. The delicate flowers will alert on it.

[zappaman]

15. What a horrible hide.

Unreal.

[dionysus]

20. if only we had a real investigative journalist to get to the bottom of these shady hides...

[zappaman]

21. Someone who's "been in enough shootouts to give nightmares"?

Hmmm.....

[dionysus]

22. someone who will wield the bayonet of truth and cut through the obfuscation with the skill

of a professional fencer...

[Cha]

77. Mustn't equate greenwad with the word that shall not

be uttered on DU when refering to him.. lol, the intials being RF.

[snooper2]

95. ratfucking isn't a bad word, somebody has to do it

Kind of like sexing baby chicks

[Number23]

84. I was just about to say the same thing! What a BS hide. This place is gone. Absolutely gone.

[Whisp]

86. One of many horrible hides. oh, and Fuck Ron Paul & ratfucker Greenwaldo. n/t

[dionysus]

19. alas you were right.

[geek tragedy]

24. So, crticizing Glenn Greenwald is against DU community standards.

The anti-authoritarians show that they're actually pretty damn authoritarian given just a taste of power.

[name not needed]

26. Funny how that works.

[morningfog]

37. You still don't seem to understand the community standards.

It is more about a poster's attitude, tone and lack of respect than subject matter, outside of a few verboten positions.

[OilemFirchen]

38. Let's see how that works

With all due respect, I think that nice Mr. Greenwald is a ratfucker.

Do I get a cookie?

[geek tragedy]

40. Yes, she was insufficiently respectful

to Greenwald. Funny how you all become Miss Manners when someone disagrees with you, but free speech absolutists for those with whom you agree.

It's bullying and censorship. Any claim otherwise is a lie.

[morningfog]

42. It has nothing to do with Greenwald or any resepect owed him.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=144296&sub=trans

You just don't get it or you don't care.

[geek tragedy]

52. My transparency page doesn't prove

your nonsense about it being against site rules to call Greenwald a ratfucker.

Your essential argument is that if you personally dislike some someone's lack of respect for someone you admire, their voice should be silenced.

Your argument is authoritarian gibberish.

[morningfog]

58. No. I never said calling Greenwald that was against the rules.

But, I was making the point that you don't seem to understand why things could be hidden as evidenced by your page.

I presumed it was random jurors that disliked the poster, until I saw the results. I have no problem with the term.

[geek tragedy]

66. Oh, I know why most of mine got hidden.

But this was a horrible hide by Greeenwald fan people.

[Whisp]

87. from ATA:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12593382

jezuz

[geek tragedy]

88. I guess the only solution is to just lay low and

then when on juries vote to hide anything you disagree with.

[Whisp]

89. the jury system is as successful as Meta was.

I'm hoping it goes the Meta way some day as well because right now, and the hidden post in this thread is proof, it means shit all nothing - there is very little good faith left here. Because this place has become a nesting ground for hateful lies against the President, the creatures come slithering in from all over the freeper and ron pauler lands of cess and are welcomed with open arms. Banded together, they do this kind of jury duties.

Meta gave some people a venue to just blast off whatever they felt like, like a mud wrestling pit. It was quite popular and the sniff of that kind of blood, once tasted, is difficult to just leave behind. Now we see sprinkles and splotches and sometimes buckets of Meta in GD, because you can't unring that Frankenstein bell.

[geek tragedy]

90. meta at least involved people being honest nt

[Scurrilous]

100. Disappointing. n/t

[geek tragedy]

41. P.S. Greenwald is an asshole

and a ratfucker, and no 'ratfucker' is not homophobic.

[morningfog]

45. Why would you say ratfucker is not homophobic?

Why even say that?

[OilemFirchen]

49. Maybe because...

Wed Sep 11, 2013, 04:58 PM, an alert was sent on the following post:

Ratfucking is hard werk. Glenn has to eat, you know....nt
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3649417

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

Inappropriate homophobic slur. Especially given the fact the insulted public figure IS gay.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Wed Sep 11, 2013, 05:06 PM, and voted 4-2 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: "Ratfucking" is slang for political slander, sabotage and dirty tricks. Ironically, the comment left by the alerter is a good example of ratfucking. Greenwald is not immunized from all criticism because he is gay, and not every criticism of him is a homophobic slur.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: I'm not seeing homophobia. AFAIK "ratfucking" refers to dirty tricks only.

[morningfog]

50. I've never known it to be used that way.

[OilemFirchen]

54. Neither have I.

I think you can count a total one person on this board who, apparently, has... and four others agreeing just for the ratfuck of it.

[snooper2]

96. It's not but the stupid alerter was taking chance that most jurors

wouldn't be up to speed on slang...

Alerter and Jury FAIL

[sharp_stick]

99. It works well

I've got my jury black list filled with jurors that fit the "Oh that just don't sound right I better hide it" stereotype.

Just laziness on the part of the jurors and outright assholery (I think I made up a new word) on the part of the alerter.

[Scurrilous]

53. For that alerter:

Ratfucking

"Ratfucking is an American slang term for political sabotage or dirty tricks. It was first brought to public attention by Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein in their book All the President's Men."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratfucking

[geek tragedy]

68. The person who alerted is probably a ratfucker themselves. nt

[Scurrilous]

71. Agreed.

I see msanthrope has taken this to AtA. I hope the person who pulled this stunt is dealt with by the admins.

[joshcryer]

62. Alerter gaming the system.

4 jurors duped. Shame.

[Number23]

85. Love the 4 no explanations given and the only two that were given saw right through the Bullshit of

the alert.

[geek tragedy]

67. Cuss words are not a legit reason to hide posts.

The term ratfucking is well known in American politics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratfucking

It's been used here for years without any dishonest claims about it being homophobic:

https://www.google.com/search?q=ratfucking+site:democraticunderground.com&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari

[Jamaal510]

48. +1

[geek tragedy]

28. Ratfucking ratfucking ratfucking. Glenn Greenwald is enaged in ratfucking,

Go ahead and alert, closet authoritarians!

[baldguy]

60. Funny how the first people to jump up & praise Greenwald's allegations of Obama's authoritarianism

are also the first people to silence posters who expose Greenwald's hypocrisies, stupidities, lies & blunders.

[joshcryer]

64. It's perfectly in line with their thought processes.

They're not really anti-authoritarian, they're more or less far left wing authoritarians who believe in totalitarianism. The same people championing GG's anti-surveillance state views would defend countries like North Korea, Cuba, or even Russia while completely ignoring those states' actions. Wikileaks in particular has failed to release the Russian files. (And I wonder whatever happened to the leaker.)

[SidDithers]

39. Holy fuck, what a shitty hide...

So posters can shit all over Obama, but criticize Glen fucking Greenwald and the post gets hidden. What the actual fuck.

I didn't realize that a libertarian American, living in Brazil, writing for a British newspaper, is given protected status at this purportedly Democratic website.

Sid

[geek tragedy]

44. Watch your tone, Sid. Someone will alert

because they don't fancy it.

[SidDithers]

47. Fuck 'em...

Here's the jury on that post:

t Wed Sep 11, 2013, 04:58 PM, an alert was sent on the following post:

Ratfucking is hard werk. Glenn has to eat, you know....nt
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3649417

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

Inappropriate homophobic slur. Especially given the fact the insulted public figure IS gay.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Wed Sep 11, 2013, 05:06 PM, and voted 4-2 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: "Ratfucking" is slang for political slander, sabotage and dirty tricks. Ironically, the comment left by the alerter is a good example of ratfucking. Greenwald is not immunized from all criticism because he is gay, and not every criticism of him is a homophobic slur.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: I'm not seeing homophobia. AFAIK "ratfucking" refers to dirty tricks only.

I'm sorry, but anyone who thinks the term "ratfucking", posted on a political messageboard, is an homophobic slur needs to get their head out of their ass, and learn some political history.



Sid

[name not needed]

51. Agreed. Fuck em.

[morningfog]

46. I didn't alert it nor did I vote in it.

I think it has more to do with the poster and the randomly selected jury than the actual post. Jurors can vote to hide for any or no reason, including not liking a poster.

I don't think it had anything to do with Greenwald or any protected status. I'd be curious to see the results.

[treestar]

55. Jurors can hide for not liking a poster?

That shows how juvenile the jury pool has become then.

[KittyWampus]

57. Indeed, I've had a few DU'ers show me bogus alerts on my own posts… totally innocuous posts

it is that juvenile.

But it occasionally works in getting posts hidden.

[joshcryer]

63. Same here.

In one thread I was getting perfectly calm mannered posts hidden because of other posts that got hidden. It was a gang up. Dozens of alerts in the same thread.

[geek tragedy]

69. Which is why jury votes deserve no respect and why the jury

system is a complete joke--a complete lack of good faith by jurors.

[morningfog]

70. I'll defer to your opinion, you have far more experience

being on the receiving end of jury verdicts. Lol. New rules are coming.

[geek tragedy]

72. Oh, I'm just gonna use 'trash' instead of scorn.

Eventually I'll get to be back on juries and be free to base my vote on my feelings re: the poster and ignore the content of the actual post being alerted on.

[morningfog]

73. LOL, one day....

[geek tragedy]

74. 90 days.

Did you volunteer to be hall monitor in school?

[morningfog]

75. 90 days, if...

[Bobbie Jo]

105. "If" what?

Good luck with that.

[morningfog]

106. If...they can manage to post within the community standards that long.

Seems clear.

[Bobbie Jo]

107. Crystal.

[maddezmom]

14. Sad to see him promote with this group of nutters

[maddezmom]

16. From Mother Jones about this group

Oath Keepers and the Age of Treason
Glenn Beck loves them. Tea Partiers court them. Congressmen listen to them. Meet the fast-growing "patriot" group that's recruiting soldiers to resist the Obama administration.

Photos by Lucian Read.
Keep your New Year's resolution to learn something new; read the story below. To see more of 2010's best long-form magazine pieces, click here.

THE .50 CALIBER Bushmaster bolt action rifle is a serious weapon. The model that Pvt. 1st Class Lee Pray is saving up for has a 2,500-yard range and comes with a Mark IV scope and an easy-load magazine. When the 25-year-old drove me to a mall in Watertown, New York, near the Fort Drum Army base, he brought me to see it in its glass case—he visits it periodically, like a kid coveting something at the toy store. It'll take plenty of military paychecks to cover the $5,600 price tag, but he considers the Bushmaster essential in his preparations to take on the US government when it declares martial law.

His belief that that day is imminent has led Pray to a group called Oath Keepers, one of the fastest-growing "patriot" organizations on the right. Founded last April by Yale-educated lawyer and ex-Ron Paul aide Stewart Rhodes, the group has established itself as a hub in the sprawling anti-Obama movement that includes Tea Partiers, Birthers, and 912ers. Glenn Beck, Lou Dobbs, and Pat Buchanan have all sung its praises, and in December, a grassroots summit it helped organize drew such prominent guests as representatives Phil Gingrey and Paul Broun, both Georgia Republicans.

There are scores of patriot groups, but what makes Oath Keepers unique is that its core membership consists of men and women in uniform, including soldiers, police, and veterans. At regular ceremonies in every state, members reaffirm their official oaths of service, pledging to protect the Constitution—but then they go a step further, vowing to disobey "unconstitutional" orders from what they view as an increasingly tyrannical government.

More:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2010/03/oath-keepers

[Cha]

79. the two Glenns. thanks for the info, maddezmom nm

[uhnope]

97. has GG retracted this racist RWNJ group's promo he put out?

or at least clarified it?

[Scurrilous]

23. Ratfucking!!1!

[Bolo Boffin]

25. Frau Blucher! n/t

[Scurrilous]

27. Nay!

[99th_Monkey]

29. Greenwald tears all the labels off his mattress and pillow nt

[99th_Monkey]

30. Greenwald seen picking his nose at a stop-light yesterday. nt

[DonCoquixote]

31. I do not deny GG

His courage for telling ugly truths.

But the amount of sauce poured over him by some at DU is DISGUSTING. When Assange, GG, and medea Benjamin praise Ron Paul, their credibility goes down the tubes.

[UTUSN]

32. R#8 & K n/t

[99th_Monkey]

33. Greenwald rode the Rio trolley without paying last Feb. nt

[99th_Monkey]

34. Greenwald cheated on math quiz in 8th Grade. nt

[SidDithers]

35. DU rec...

Greenwald is a clown.

Sid

[struggle4progress]

36. Greenwald is no friend of the left IMO

[truebluegreen]

43. Who the f cares who his friends are?

Is he telling the truth?

[struggle4progress]

59. He's not particularly devoted to the truth: he's interested in pushing libertarian objectives

[truebluegreen]

102. So the NSA isn't spying on us?

[struggle4progress]

103. Greenwald's version of the story is quite unreliable: back in May, Greenwald was claiming

the NSA recorded all phone calls; at the end of July, he was still claiming that low-level NSA analysts could wiretap anybody without a warrant

The problem is that Greenwald's ideological motives greatly affect the accuracy of his "reporting"

[truebluegreen]

104. And you know this is unreliable because...

the NSA denies it?

Sorry, but the government doesn't have any credibility on this issue, whatever Greenwald's ideological motives.

[struggle4progress]

109. Experts Doubt NSA Leaker's Claim About Wiretaps

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/06/12/190928454/experts-doubt-nsa-leakers-claim-about-wiretaps

[truebluegreen]

112. According to that article,

"The communications and Internet companies, Steve adds, "have said in no uncertain terms that they are not granting the NSA unfettered access to their servers...."

And I totally believe them. Except I don't. I don't mean to be difficult, but those companies have skin in the game. I trust them only marginally more than I trust the government on this. "Granting" may be the operative word here.

We will have to agree to disagree.

[Luminous Animal]

56. This post is hilarious. Do you understand Twitter at all?

I've retweeted people who I am ideologically opposed to regularly. Julian Sanchez of the Cato institute does great NSA research and blogging. I'm not going to ignore that merely because I am ideologically opposed to much of the Cato Institutes analysis. Joshua Foust, who I think is a total asshole is willing to engage in a reasonable discussion. The Rancid Honeytrap ‏@RancidTarzie, an anarchist, is a scathing critic of Greenwald's NSA reporting (he thinks Glenn should dump it all) and Glenn engages with him and encourages his blog writing. In fact, he just did it today.

Retweet ≠ endorsement means something.

It's one of the reasons why I like twitter far more than DU.

The world is not made up of black hats and white hats.

[Bolo Boffin]

83. Yes, I understand Twitter. I'm on Twitter.

@BoloBoffin as a matter of fact.

I'm well aware that retweets don't equal endorsements. I usually retweet things for the WTF factor.

But this wasn't a retweet. Greenwood composed this tweet himself. He's the one that glossed over how rancid this group is. So you'll have to find another excuse for him.

[QC]

61. I've heard that Glenn Greenwald has an outie.

[CakeGrrl]

65. He knows. He knows damned well. He defended a White Supremacist

on priniciples, ya know.

But I'm sure someone will say this 'endorsement' is only with the purest of intentions.

[Cha]

76. I'm thinking greenwad knows exactly who they are and doesn't

give shit. Why should he? His followers eat everything up he serves.

GG's all fucking excited..

Glenn Greenwald ✔ @ggreenwald

A coalition of current and former military, police, and other public officials place huge pro-Snowden ad in Metro http://reason.com/blog/2013/07/24/oath-keepers-place-massive-pro-snowden-a …3:36 AM - 11 Sep 2013

297 Retweets 90 favorites Reply

"Who is this “coalition of current and former military, police, and other public officials” Greenwald is promoting?"

It’s the “Oathkeepers,” one of the most extreme right wing militia groups in the US, and one of many offshoots of the Patriot movement, with numerous ties to white nationalist and xenophobic anti-immigrant groups. Their founder, Stewart Rhodes, believes Barack Obama is plotting to disarm American citizens and turn US cities into “giant concentration camps.” He explained the goals of the group like this:

"And what does the ad Greenwald’s promoting look like? (h/t: SmartyPants.)"



http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/42504_Why_Is_Glenn_Greenwald_Promoting_an_Extreme_Right_Wing_Militia

Fuck them all.. assholes.

[SidDithers]

81. I think you're right...

Sid

[MineralMan]

82. This is unsurprising.

Greenwald is a libertarian, not a progressive. Lots of libertarians in OathKeepers.

My question: Why give Glenn Greenwald any further publicity? It is what he lives for.

[Blue_Tires]

91. Has there been any further comment from Greenwald about this??

[maddezmom]

92. On his twitter feed he said he was just passing on the Reason article

Not exact words but close enough.

[whatchamacallit]

93. Lol!

So desperate, so ineffective, so bolo...

[uhnope]

94. here's another article on it

http://www.thepeoplesview.net/2013/09/glenn-greenwald-promotes-racist-anti.html?showComment=1378949279639

Glenn Greenwald Promotes Racist, Anti-Government Hate Group

It is no shock then that someone like Glenn Greenwald - a worshiper of Rand and Ron Paul (both racists) and a nasty Obama basher - would promote this hate group. No surprise at all.

But but. He only pointed it out because it talked about an ad praising Ed Snowden (the object of Greenwald's current anti-government fascination) and bringing awareness to NSA spying! No, it's not. As we have pointed out on multiple occasions, Snowden's "revelations" of perfectly legal, privacy protected activity is not in "keeping" with any oath of public service, and peddling paranoia is no way to have a national debate on privacy and security.

And the choice of the delivery vehicle matters. When a hate group holds up Snowden's work, Greenwald should be worried about the connection of Snowden to the real, radical, racist, anarchist agenda of this hate group. He would be, if he believed Snowden has done anything patriotic beyond lining the pockets of Glenn Greenwald and Laura Poitras. But he is simply their cash cow, so pimping this to stir up hate is just fine by them.

When the interests of a supposed civil libertarian aligns with that of a racist militant hate group, one of them is not authentic about their beliefs. And in this case, the hate group, unfortunately, is the authentic one.

[Scurrilous]

98. K & R

[bobclark86]

101. So, let me get this straight...

a group called the "Oath Keepers" are promoting a dude who, by doing what he is famous for ...

<drumroll please>

Did not keep his oath to the same document the Oath Keepers swore to uphold?



Oh, wait. There's a black Kenyan commie Muslim involved, so it's ok...

[Scurrilous]

108. Hilarious ain't it.

[SidDithers]

110. Nailed it...nt

Sid

[great white snark]

111. Ayup!

That ratfucking fuckstick.