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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIf I wanted to make up stuff to make Obama look good, I don't
think I would shoot for things like, "Obama has been planning this masterful disarmament of Syria for two years."
That would tend to suggest that the gassing to death of 1,429 people (Obama's number) was an expected part of an intricate chess game.
I don't think it was. I don't think it arose from Obama slow-walking some Oceans 11 Syria caper. I think it was a tragic event in a world where there is no ommniscient chess-master ten moves ahead of everyone.
Promoting the glorious history of our control of Syrian nerve agents 2011-2013 is reminiscent of Bush talking about how the US had never been hit by terrorists on his watch... except that one time.
Please, just stop.
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If I wanted to make up stuff to make Obama look good, I don't (Original Post)
cthulu2016
Sep 2013
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ProSense
(116,464 posts)1. No, and
If I wanted to make up stuff to make Obama look good, I don't
think I would shoot for things like, "Obama has been planning this masterful disarmament of Syria for two years."
That would tend to suggest that the gassing to death of 1,429 people (Obama's number) was an expected part of an intricate chess game.
Stick to rational truth or at least cook up better mythologies.
Promoting the glorious history of our control of Syrian nerve agents 2011-2013 is reminiscent of Bush talking about how the US had never been hit by terrorists on his watch... except that one time.
Please, just stop.
think I would shoot for things like, "Obama has been planning this masterful disarmament of Syria for two years."
That would tend to suggest that the gassing to death of 1,429 people (Obama's number) was an expected part of an intricate chess game.
Stick to rational truth or at least cook up better mythologies.
Promoting the glorious history of our control of Syrian nerve agents 2011-2013 is reminiscent of Bush talking about how the US had never been hit by terrorists on his watch... except that one time.
Please, just stop.
...before making such pronouncements, it would help to understand the facts. There have been a number of small incidents, and securing the chemical weapons have been part of the ongoing diplomatic discussion about Syria. This is from May:
Remarks With Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov
<...>
Weve also affirmed our commitment to a negotiated settlement as the essential means of ending the bloodshed, addressing humanitarian disaster in Syria, and addressing the problem of the security of chemical weapons and forestalling further regional instability. We believe that full implementation of the Geneva communique calls for a transition governing body as specifically set forth in the language of the communique, which is formed by mutual consent with the support of the international community and enjoying full executive authority that means the full authority to run and manage the government, including the military and security services, and then doing so as soon as we can possibly implement it is the best way to resolve the crisis in Syria.
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Now I believe another thing is happening. I think a lot of people in the region and in the world are seeing this violence and frankly are really deeply concerned for the people of Syria and for the possibilities of peace, and that there will be a growing crescendo of nations who will want to push for a peaceful resolution rather than the chaos that comes with the breakup of the country and the continued battle, which can and will take place. Now its obviously up to the regime to undertake a set of behavior to undertake steps here to guarantee that theyre not using chemical weapons, theyre not inviting greater reactions than exist today. And well have to see how that plays out.
But I think that Sergey and I are both convinced that since Geneva is there and agreed on the opposition went to Istanbul a week ago, two weeks ago, and in Istanbul they issued a set of declarations in which they signed on to, number one, support for the Geneva communique, support for a transitional government. They signed on to a set of standards which would prohibit any use of chemical weapons. They agreed to be inclusive and democratic and protect all minorities inside Syria. And so I think theres the basis here for the people of Syria to have confidence that if we can achieve a transitional government and ultimately end the violence, the people of Syria will decide the future of Syria. And I think thats what Sergey wants, thats what I want, and its what President Putin and President Obama want, and thats what were trying to implement.
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http://www.state.gov/secretary/remarks/2013/05/209117.htm
Weve also affirmed our commitment to a negotiated settlement as the essential means of ending the bloodshed, addressing humanitarian disaster in Syria, and addressing the problem of the security of chemical weapons and forestalling further regional instability. We believe that full implementation of the Geneva communique calls for a transition governing body as specifically set forth in the language of the communique, which is formed by mutual consent with the support of the international community and enjoying full executive authority that means the full authority to run and manage the government, including the military and security services, and then doing so as soon as we can possibly implement it is the best way to resolve the crisis in Syria.
<...>
Now I believe another thing is happening. I think a lot of people in the region and in the world are seeing this violence and frankly are really deeply concerned for the people of Syria and for the possibilities of peace, and that there will be a growing crescendo of nations who will want to push for a peaceful resolution rather than the chaos that comes with the breakup of the country and the continued battle, which can and will take place. Now its obviously up to the regime to undertake a set of behavior to undertake steps here to guarantee that theyre not using chemical weapons, theyre not inviting greater reactions than exist today. And well have to see how that plays out.
But I think that Sergey and I are both convinced that since Geneva is there and agreed on the opposition went to Istanbul a week ago, two weeks ago, and in Istanbul they issued a set of declarations in which they signed on to, number one, support for the Geneva communique, support for a transitional government. They signed on to a set of standards which would prohibit any use of chemical weapons. They agreed to be inclusive and democratic and protect all minorities inside Syria. And so I think theres the basis here for the people of Syria to have confidence that if we can achieve a transitional government and ultimately end the violence, the people of Syria will decide the future of Syria. And I think thats what Sergey wants, thats what I want, and its what President Putin and President Obama want, and thats what were trying to implement.
- more -
http://www.state.gov/secretary/remarks/2013/05/209117.htm
sibelian
(7,804 posts)2. The rigidity in the political landscape necessary for the level of influence Obama is credited for
doesn't exist.
Skittles
(152,965 posts)3. I wonder if consulting Kissinger was part of the plan