This is what we've learn so far about the NSA

[Ichingcarpenter]

Thanks to Snowden, we now know the NSA:
Had James Clapper lie under oath to us - on camera - to Congress to hide the domestic spying programs Occured in March, revealed in June.

http://www.salon.com/2013/07/01/this_man_is_still_lying_to_america/



Warrantlessly accesses records of every phone call that routes through the US thousands of times a day JuneSeptember


http://www.politico.com/story/2013/09/nsa-broke-rules-call-tracking-96571.html


Steals your private data from every major web company (Facebook, Google, Apple, Microsoft, et al) via PRISMJune and pays them millions for it August

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/23/nsa-prism-costs-tech-companies-paid



Pays major US telecommunications providers (AT&T, Verizon, et al) between $278,000,000-$394,000,000 annually to provide secret access to all US fiber and cellular networks (in violation of the 4th amendment).
August


http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nsa-paying-us-companies-for-access-to-communications-networks/2013/08/29/5641a4b6-10c2-11e3-bdf6-e4fc677d94a1_story.html

Intentionally weakened the encryption standards we rely on, put backdoors into critical software, and break the crypto on our private communications September


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/06/us/nsa-foils-much-internet-encryption.html?pagewanted=all&_r=2&

NSA employees use these powers to spy on their US citizen lovers via LOVEINT, and only get caught if they self-confess. Though this is a felony, none were ever been charged with a crime. August

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/06/us/nsa-foils-much-internet-encryption.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&


Lied to us again just ten days ago, claiming they never perform economic espionage (whoops!) before a new leak revealed that they do all the time. September


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/09/nsa-spying-brazil-oil-petrobras

Denial 10 days earlier:

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-08-30/world/41620705_1_computer-worm-former-u-s-officials-obama-administration



Made over fifteen thousand false certifications to the secret FISA court, leading a judge to rule they "frequently and systemically violated" court orders in a manner "directly contrary to the sworn attestations of several executive branch officials," that 90% of their searches were unlawful, and that they "repeatedly misled the court." September


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/10/nsa-violated-court-rules-data-documents

Has programs that collect data on US Supreme Court Justices and elected officials, and they secretly provide it to Israel regulated only by an honor system. September

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/11/nsa-americans-personal-data-israel-documents



Listen this isn't about Obama this is about an agency that has grown with abusive powers since the 60s where they now lie to

The Legislative Branch

The Judicial Branch

The Executive Branch


yes they lie to even the President.

[Cryptoad]

1. I have heard of beating a Dead Horse but ,,,geeezzz! nt

[Ichingcarpenter]

2. Wait until next week

we are bound to hear more abuses that you don't care about

But thanks for kicking the thread that states facts and history of the NSA abuses and lies.

[snooper2]

33. You still think the NSA are "recording" all your phone calls

LOL

[Ichingcarpenter]

35. LOL... you still THINK?

Nothing is going on or wrong?

LOL.... oh you are just so snappy and cute.

Recess is in 10 mins. now go back to your times table.

[snooper2]

36. One of our 10G links to the NSA went down

I'm working to get it back up

117K targets, thanks for letting us know Snowy!

[idwiyo]

4. Oh? They stopped their spy programs?

[Cryptoad]

6. Hello,,, they are a spy agency

I dont think they are going to stop spying!

and Comrade Snowden has not to date reveal any crimes.

But please whip it up!

[idwiyo]

8. You mean everything they do is just perfectly fine? Nothing to see there?

[Ichingcarpenter]

9. lying to everyone is OK with him

that way he can lie to himself.

[idwiyo]

10. Obviously. Never mind that it's a prime program for blackmail & industrial espionage.

[LondonReign2]

46. The lies and deception are Ok

with them, as long as Obama is in office. Should a Republican once again be in the White House they'll immediately reverse their opinion. Its sad really

[Cryptoad]

12. No that is not what I said

Why are you supporter of Comrade Snowden are so eager to put words in my mouth?

I said they are doing nothing criminal.

[idwiyo]

13. How do you know it's legal? All of it? Parts? Which are which?

[Cryptoad]

16. Seems

none of the Parts that Comrade Snowden has exposed is criminal.... Only criminal thing I have seen is his action of publishing Classified Documents.

[idwiyo]

17. There is no cure for willful blindness.

Last edited Thu Sep 12, 2013, 01:15 PM - Edit history (1)

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2010/07/11/how_facts_backfire/

How facts backfire
Researchers discover a surprising threat to democracy: our brains

[Cryptoad]

18. Your speculation does not alter the facts....... nt

[idwiyo]

20. I am sorry, but cure for willful blindness does not exist. I wish it did. :(

[Cryptoad]

23. I aprreciate your concern......

[Cryptoad]

44. Sorry,,, my anal crystalball insert didn't take,,,,,

section 215 of what?

[LondonReign2]

47. Excellent. You come here arguing that nothing they are doing is illegal

yet you have no idea what section 215 is? I love the Voice of Authority who doesn't have a clue what they are discussing.

[questionseverything]

51. plus 1

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[Jackpine Radical]

53. He does that a lot.

Last time he was blaming the Republican Congress for the USDA administrative rule on privatizing pigshit inspectionsl

[Cryptoad]

54. At least I can read

I have not stated anywhere "that nothing they are doing is illegal"

neither did I say I didn't know what section 215 is,,,,,, I requested a clarification of what the poster meant by section 215.

Your personal attacks are uncalled for , especially in the light of your mistakes.

[Mojorabbit]

39. How do you know they are not? nt

[Cryptoad]

40. My statement

was based on the Criminal Charges brought forth to date.......

[Comrade Grumpy]

55. Apparently, no bankers committed any crimes blowing up our economy, either.

Based on the criminal charges brought forth to date.

[Cryptoad]

56. you are correct,

If you have evidence of any crimes you need to present them to the proper authorities or file criminal charges yourself

Now,,, if what they have done is morally right? that's a different tune!

Words have meanings

[whttevrr]

21. I thought lieing to Congress was illegal?

Or is it ok that Clapper lied?

[Cryptoad]

22. any criminal charges filesd against Clapper yet?

[whttevrr]

24. So its not illegal?

Really? That's what you're going with?

[Cryptoad]

25. I said no criminal charges been forth coming except those against Comrade Snowden. nt

[whttevrr]

26. Your use of 'comrade' detracts from your objectivity.

When you use a pejorative it masks your argument. It is an ineffective way to make a point. What I am asking is pretty straightforward:

Is it illegal to lie to congress?

Yes? ~or~ No?

[Cryptoad]

27. Have any criminal charged been filed?

Yes? ~or~ No?

[whttevrr]

28. No...

See how easy that was?

I'll ask again:

Is it illegal to lie to congress?

Is it that you don't know the answer? Or are you being deliberately obtuse?

[Cryptoad]

29. It is according to your defintion of lying

There is no universally agreed upon legal definition of lying.

so the answer is "yes" and "no".

since no charges were filed in Clappers case ,,, I would go with "No"

[whttevrr]

30. LOL...

You can't even answer a direct question?

Oh well, thanks for kicking the thread with your inanity.

What a douche.

[Hawaiianlight]

38. The fact that no charges have been filed against Clapper

validates the OP; NSA has grown out of control of the Judicial branch.

[Cryptoad]

41. You do know

that you don't have to be part of the Judicial Branch to bring forth Charges , Heh?

[hootinholler]

34. LOL, this horse is far from dead n/t

[Cryptoad]

37. Whupp it up!!!!! nt

[LondonReign2]

48. Ignorance, and proud of it. Buh bye

[idwiyo]

3. K&R

[Katashi_itto]

5. K&R

[Sancho]

7. ...and that doesn't include...

spying on allies and the UN, spying on elected officials (like Obama), hacking financial records, etc., etc.

Likely, we've only seen the tip of the iceberg so far!!!

The NSA is out of control and we're paying for it! Keep reminding everyone until we put a stop to the NSA...

[Ichingcarpenter]

31. Der Spiegel link also the guardian, NYTimes and the WP

Have seen these revelations so this is beyond Snowden, they saw the shit the NSA was doing.

Put the link in for the Der Spiegel article if you can and the date so it can be added to the documentation of history.

[cantbeserious]

11. Thank You For Sharing

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[newfie11]

14. K&R

[Wilms]

15. ^

[kenny blankenship]

19. Seems like an organization dedicated to violating the law, yes? Should be investigated.

They should turn the whole nest inside out, and subject all the squirmy little critters inside to full sunlight.

[Amonester]

50. Won't happen in a lifetime.

Reason: Private-interests' money in politics.

Reality: Those who would have to vote to ban the above benefit from not voting to ban it.


It's like the chicken-and-egg mystery.

[WillyT]

32. K & R !!!

[gulliver]

43. So a lot of hype and practically nothing.

Guardian posts, paranoid exaggeration, panic over routine levels of error and misuse...completely worthless.

The Snowden/Greenwald publicity releases caused huge economic and political damage to the country and, so far, have resulted in nothing else.

[woo me with science]

45. Your absurd defensive propaganda is noted. nt

[Uncle Joe]

49. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Ichingcarpenter.

[Jesus Malverde]

52. Thanks for the summary...nt