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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMeanwhile, 1,000 dead in Iraq in July. Bombing will cause more suffering in Syria, not less.
Let Iraq serve as an example. Hate begets hate, only love conqors hate.
We heard the same story about Iraq, how we would make things better, how we would be greeted with flowers. We planted violence, and our harvest is more blood.
Now, what are the humanitarian war-hawks suggesting we do about the dead Iraqis? Why the complete lack of concern for them? In my view, it's because the war with Syria is not about humanitarian concerns, it's about empire.
Violence has been on the rise all year, but the number of attacks against civilians and security forces has spiked during the Islamic holy month of Ramadan, which began early last month. The increased bloodshed has intensified fears that Iraq is on a path back to the widespread chaos that nearly tore the country apart in the aftermath of the U.S.-led invasion that ousted Saddam Hussein in 2003.
Months of rallies by Iraq's minority Sunnis against the Shiite-led government over what they contend is second-class treatment and the unfair use of tough anti-terrorism measures against their sect set the stage for the violence.
The killings significantly picked up after Iraqi security forces launched a heavy-handed crackdown on a Sunni protest camp in the northern town of Hawija on April 23. A ferocious backlash followed the raid, with deadly bomb attacks and sporadic gunbattles between insurgents and soldiers this time members of the Iraqi security forces rather than U.S. troops.
The U.N. Mission in Iraq said 1,057 Iraqis were killed and 2,326 wounded in July, the highest toll since June 2008 when 975 people were killed.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/01/iraq-july-death-toll_n_3688443.html
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)Especially as we get ready for the next one.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)"My president decides which atrocities are atrocious!"
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)The one that's not happening?
Or one in your head?
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)link
.... Just keeping the pressure on, I don't want another Iraq.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Its fun watching the folks who predicted that Obama was going to start a 2nd Iraq war in Syria cling to that prediction.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)Last edited Thu Sep 12, 2013, 03:28 PM - Edit history (1)
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Then that Friday.
Then over that long weekend.
The predicted start date keeps moving.
And from what I can see in this thread, some think its already happened.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)maybe it has already happened?
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)And has probably been doing so for much longer than publicly acknowledged.
We are at war with Syria. Although I guess it isn't really our war because we're going to let other people do the killing and dying for us.
We weren't "at war" with Sandinista Nicaragua, either, but we sure killed a lot of people there, too.
I guess as long as there's no "boots on the ground," we can continue to deceive ourselves.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)with Obama calling in air strikes, followed by a 2nd Iraq style escalation ... that's NOT the war with Syria the OP refers to ...
The war with Syria that they refer to is another war with Syria that was actually already underway.
So, to sum up ... we were already in a war with Syria, and President Obama was going to start a 2nd overlapping war with Syria by calling in air strikes, and then that 2nd overlapping war was going to expand into a 2nd Iraq war ... which would then become a war with Iran and Russia.
We have so many wars going on with Syria, and predicted in Syria, that its getting tough to keep them all straight.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Time to send you as well to the children's wing.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Hasn't that been the prediction around here ... or is that down the memory hole now?
kenny blankenship
(15,689 posts)(I mean direct intervention, of course, since we already intervening by proxy) will spark renewed sectarian civil war in Iraq, it's arguable that this reaction has already begun.
Let's see what else we can fuck up!
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Wow...Lets just give up and become Isolationists!
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)"For to win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill." - Art of War
& "There is no instance of a nation benefitting from prolonged warfare."
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Syria today = Iraq after the US invaded.
pjt7
(1,293 posts)call out Saudi Arabia for being the Worlds largest sponser of Terrorism.
Has Grayson said this directly?