There is another pipeline to STOP!

[snooper2]

ATEX Express ethane pipeline under construction across Ohio from Utica shale well fields

Already under construction in Ohio is the Appalachia-to-Texas (ATEX) Express Pipeline to transport liquids from the Utica shale well fields.
The 1,230-mile project is being built by Houston-based Enterprise Products Partners L.P.
Scheduled to begin service in the first quarter of 2014, the pipeline will carry ethane from Ohio, Pennsylvania and West Virginia to near Houston.
ATEX would run 264.61 miles across 13 Ohio counties, entering the state on the east side at Jefferson County, passing through Harrison, Tuscarawas, Coshocton, Muskingum, Licking, Fairfield, Pickaway, Fayette, Greene, Clinton, Warren and exiting at Butler County north of Cincinnati.

http://www.ohio.com/news/atex-express-ethane-pipeline-under-construction-across-ohio-from-utica-shale-well-fields-1.411499


We Need the Senate to hold hearings on this one too! Call your congresscritters!

[MineralMan]

1. I wonder how else they would transport the ethane, which

is used in industry, primarily to produce vinyl and other plastics. It's a gas and is one of the gasses in natural gas. It's separated from the methane, because of its economic value. It can be turned into a liquid, but that would require insulated trucks or train tankers to carry it. As a gas or in a liquid state, it's easily transported by pipeline.

It's non-toxic, but flammable. If there were a leak, a fire might result, but no pollution of the surrounding area.

Frankly, I'd rather see it transported in pipelines than over the road or by train. And it will be transported. It's a useful raw material in many ways.

What is your concern with this pipeline, other than the fact that you don't like pipelines carrying petroleum products?

[snooper2]

3. It's a PIPELINE!

Name isn't as catchy as Keystone,

but ATEX Express needs to be stopped. We don't like pipelines right! I think? I mean, look at this map!

[MineralMan]

4. And that map just shows a tiny fraction of the pipelines in the US.

If you mapped the water system pipelines, and the natural gas pipelines that feed just about every home in the country, that map would be even more dense.

It's not the pipeline that is the problem. It's what it's transporting, and there are already natural gas pipelines everywhere, including under your front lawn in most cases.

People are confused, sometimes.

[snooper2]

5. So why all the drama about Keystone...

Seems like a bandwagon people just like to jump on...

Nobody is complaining about this one are they.

[MineralMan]

7. It's shale petroleum. It's not really the pipeline.

People don't want the production of the stuff. They suppose that if the pipeline isn't built the petroleum won't be extracted from the fields. They're wrong. The planet runs on the stuff, and it's going to be extracted. It will be transported, too.

Fighting pipelines is not the answer. Ending our demand for petroleum is the answer. Until that happens, petroleum will be extracted and transported. That is the bottom line.

[whttevrr]

8. Because if this one ruptures it makes a hiss noise and might catch on fire.

But ethane will not soak into the earth and cover our biodiversity in a toxic goo.

It's gaseous.

Are you being sarcastic?

It is sometimes hard to tell with the written word.

[cali]

2. I am so conflicted about pipelines.

More and more dangerous cargo is shipped by rail and neither the tankers carrying them or the infrastructure is even close to being sufficient. I have no idea what the answer is.

[MineralMan]

6. Each pipeline is an individual thing.

You have water and natural gas pipelines right on your street, and coming to your house, if you're a typical person.

I don't hear anyone wanting to ban those, but they are pipelines, nevertheless.

And, as you pointed out, transporting flammable stuff on the roads and railroads is a much more likely danger than in a pipeline.

Things will be transported. Finding the least dangerous and most economical method of transport is the goal. Simply because something is transported in a pipeline doesn't mean that it won't be transported if the pipelines don't exist. Instead, it will be transported by rail or truck. Far more dangerous.

For example, the other day, I found myself behind a 16-wheeler transporting liquid oxygen. Now, there is a deadly load. I waited until there was minimal traffic, and passed that truck, putting as much distance between it and me as I could. Trucks full of gasoline are a common sight on every freeway. Dangerous beyond your imagination, should there be a bad accident.

Transporting dangerous stuff is dangerous.