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Robb

(39,665 posts)
Sat Sep 14, 2013, 10:01 AM Sep 2013

Shooting kids is OK, unless they die. Then you get charged.

Today I offer you a tale of two sets of excellent parents. One set is in Georgia, the other in Florida. I'll spoil the ending and tell you there were no charges in Florida.

I'll highlight the common elements -- what the parent told police, and what the parent did as far as summoning help. I'll leave out what the police say about it.

Georgia:

ATLANTA (CBS ATLANTA) - An 18-month-old toddler was killed after being shot in the chest with a BB rifle on Friday morning. The child's father was charged.

Atlanta police said the toddler's mother called 911 just after 9 a.m. to report her child was shot.

Dickerson told CBS Atlanta News Jesse Sellers didn't realize the gun was loaded and that he said it was an accident. He said the child's grandmother performed CPR on the toddler.

Jesse Sellers is facing charges of second degree cruelty to children and felony murder.


Florida:

HIALEAH, Fla. (WSVN) -- A 3-month-old little girl is recovering at the hospital after she was accidentally shot with a BB gun near her eye.

The victim's parents arrived around 3:30 p.m. on Tuesday at Palmetto General Hospital after their 3-month-old baby was accidentally shot.

The father said the gun accidentally went off and hit the little girl above the eye.

The parents will not be charged.


Now let's see if DU can figure this puzzle out.
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Shooting kids is OK, unless they die. Then you get charged. (Original Post) Robb Sep 2013 OP
I'll bet Jesse Sellers isn't white. nt RandiFan1290 Sep 2013 #1
different Duckhunter935 Sep 2013 #2
I deduce that Sellers pointed the gun at the kid TheDeputy Sep 2013 #3
More local gun stories, Yay! NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #4
Maybe you should hit alert. Robb Sep 2013 #5
Why? NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #7
different states, so therefore this is not 'local', by definition muriel_volestrangler Sep 2013 #12
I'll give you that much, it's too local stories. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #13
Thank you again for your tireless posting etherealtruth Sep 2013 #6
Both sad stories give me an idea for smart new legislation, BB guns and firearms. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #8
Of course, fucking Florida again gopiscrap Sep 2013 #9
You are allowed to shoot people in Florida, thought you knew that krawhitham Sep 2013 #10
ANSWER: Wealth and class and race, poor blacks disproportionately arrested, charged, and convicted. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #11
 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
2. different
Sat Sep 14, 2013, 10:11 AM
Sep 2013

states, different prosecutors, different laws? Need to do a BB gun ban, right. Air-soft will be next.

 

TheDeputy

(224 posts)
3. I deduce that Sellers pointed the gun at the kid
Sat Sep 14, 2013, 10:20 AM
Sep 2013

Didn't know the gun was loaded leads me to believe that Sellers intentionally pointed the gun at the kid, and intentionally pulled the trigger. He may not have realized it was loaded. I believe charges are warranted based upon my speculation.

The second one leads me to believe that there was probably no reckless action, (as defined by law) but I can't speculate further, other than that, I can infer it was a true accident.

Mens rea and actus reus truly matter.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
4. More local gun stories, Yay!
Sat Sep 14, 2013, 10:24 AM
Sep 2013

This weekend: Careless people with BB guns in Florida!

Well, Robb, I watched both of these videos and I can tell you that it's not what I first thought, a difference in race of the parents.

There may, however, have been a difference in class between the two families. The girls family did not appear on camera, something less likely to happen to well-financed families. But there's no way to be sure.

Also, while the girl's father said the gun was on the table, the boy's father said he was HOLDING THE GUN trying to scare the boy, which puts it squarely in his hands.

But look, different states, different cops, too many variables and not enough data to solve this one, partner.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
7. Why?
Sat Sep 14, 2013, 10:48 AM
Sep 2013

Your post is here, I've responded to your puzzle and am wondering what it is that you see as the significant difference in these two stories.

Hopefully you'll let us all in on the theory.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,295 posts)
12. different states, so therefore this is not 'local', by definition
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 10:21 AM
Sep 2013

Unless by 'local' you mean 'in the USA'.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
13. I'll give you that much, it's too local stories.
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 10:29 AM
Sep 2013

But if that's all it takes to get more gun stories on the front page then it could be abused.

FWIW, I think it's a fair story IF the purpose is to expose racism and inequity between two demographics.

But the OP doesn't make it very clear what the purpose is in posting it.

And as a GD host, I wouldn't vote to lock this post and I wouldn't alert this post as a member.

I do miss the days when gun stories stayed in the gun forums.

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
6. Thank you again for your tireless posting
Sat Sep 14, 2013, 10:39 AM
Sep 2013

Tip O'Neill once said "all politics is local"

All gun violence is local (in it's effect and devastation) ... addressing it is a national problem. One dead child (or person) is one too many.

Thank you for keeping this in the forefront

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
8. Both sad stories give me an idea for smart new legislation, BB guns and firearms.
Sat Sep 14, 2013, 11:01 AM
Sep 2013

I've written before that I'd like to see mandatory training tied to all gun and ammo purchases, basically a license to buy guns and ammo that is obtained by taking and passing classes.

This might need to be renewed every five years, or not, that's not the point. What matters is that it must be carried and shown for purchasing, hunting, target practice, while carrying or using the firearm.

This should be expanded to include the purchase of BB guns, and should not just require the purchaser to be safety trained but his or her entire household.

Laws like this would actually make sense.

Ideas like this are rarely floated because people are too emotional about guns and scared that safety classes will indoctrinate learners into a gun culture.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
11. ANSWER: Wealth and class and race, poor blacks disproportionately arrested, charged, and convicted.
Sat Sep 14, 2013, 11:48 AM
Sep 2013

Atlanta's Boynton Village Apartments are section 8 housing and over 75% African American.

The Florida neighborhood is over 90% Hispanic.

Average income and home values in the Florida neighborhood are 50% higher than in the Georgia neighborhood.

Wealth and class and race, poor blacks are disproportionately arrested, charged, and convicted.

Data for the Atlanta zip code: http://www.city-data.com/zips/30315.html

Data for the Florida zip code: http://www.city-data.com/zips/33016.html

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