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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsShooting kids is OK, unless they die. Then you get charged.
Today I offer you a tale of two sets of excellent parents. One set is in Georgia, the other in Florida. I'll spoil the ending and tell you there were no charges in Florida.
I'll highlight the common elements -- what the parent told police, and what the parent did as far as summoning help. I'll leave out what the police say about it.
Georgia:
Atlanta police said the toddler's mother called 911 just after 9 a.m. to report her child was shot.
Dickerson told CBS Atlanta News Jesse Sellers didn't realize the gun was loaded and that he said it was an accident. He said the child's grandmother performed CPR on the toddler.
Jesse Sellers is facing charges of second degree cruelty to children and felony murder.
Florida:
The victim's parents arrived around 3:30 p.m. on Tuesday at Palmetto General Hospital after their 3-month-old baby was accidentally shot.
The father said the gun accidentally went off and hit the little girl above the eye.
The parents will not be charged.
Now let's see if DU can figure this puzzle out.
RandiFan1290
(6,229 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)states, different prosecutors, different laws? Need to do a BB gun ban, right. Air-soft will be next.
TheDeputy
(224 posts)Didn't know the gun was loaded leads me to believe that Sellers intentionally pointed the gun at the kid, and intentionally pulled the trigger. He may not have realized it was loaded. I believe charges are warranted based upon my speculation.
The second one leads me to believe that there was probably no reckless action, (as defined by law) but I can't speculate further, other than that, I can infer it was a true accident.
Mens rea and actus reus truly matter.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)This weekend: Careless people with BB guns in Florida!
Well, Robb, I watched both of these videos and I can tell you that it's not what I first thought, a difference in race of the parents.
There may, however, have been a difference in class between the two families. The girls family did not appear on camera, something less likely to happen to well-financed families. But there's no way to be sure.
Also, while the girl's father said the gun was on the table, the boy's father said he was HOLDING THE GUN trying to scare the boy, which puts it squarely in his hands.
But look, different states, different cops, too many variables and not enough data to solve this one, partner.
Robb
(39,665 posts)Your post is here, I've responded to your puzzle and am wondering what it is that you see as the significant difference in these two stories.
Hopefully you'll let us all in on the theory.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,295 posts)Unless by 'local' you mean 'in the USA'.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)But if that's all it takes to get more gun stories on the front page then it could be abused.
FWIW, I think it's a fair story IF the purpose is to expose racism and inequity between two demographics.
But the OP doesn't make it very clear what the purpose is in posting it.
And as a GD host, I wouldn't vote to lock this post and I wouldn't alert this post as a member.
I do miss the days when gun stories stayed in the gun forums.
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)Tip O'Neill once said "all politics is local"
All gun violence is local (in it's effect and devastation) ... addressing it is a national problem. One dead child (or person) is one too many.
Thank you for keeping this in the forefront
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)I've written before that I'd like to see mandatory training tied to all gun and ammo purchases, basically a license to buy guns and ammo that is obtained by taking and passing classes.
This might need to be renewed every five years, or not, that's not the point. What matters is that it must be carried and shown for purchasing, hunting, target practice, while carrying or using the firearm.
This should be expanded to include the purchase of BB guns, and should not just require the purchaser to be safety trained but his or her entire household.
Laws like this would actually make sense.
Ideas like this are rarely floated because people are too emotional about guns and scared that safety classes will indoctrinate learners into a gun culture.
gopiscrap
(23,733 posts)they should just rename the state Zimmyland
krawhitham
(4,641 posts)NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Atlanta's Boynton Village Apartments are section 8 housing and over 75% African American.
The Florida neighborhood is over 90% Hispanic.
Average income and home values in the Florida neighborhood are 50% higher than in the Georgia neighborhood.
Wealth and class and race, poor blacks are disproportionately arrested, charged, and convicted.
Data for the Atlanta zip code: http://www.city-data.com/zips/30315.html
Data for the Florida zip code: http://www.city-data.com/zips/33016.html