As a DU member, how do YOU want to handle this going forward? (need more input, please!)
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EDIT TO SUMMARIZE/CLARIFY: After a few comments were shared below, I was able to see that a third option should be added. I had viewed this way forward as either/or: either fundraising posts are created here within DU only, preferably within a new subgroup, or the Wishadoo Wishlist would continue to be used and shared as I've been doing.I've added another option, which is a combination of a new subgroup and Wishadoo. The Wishlist posts would still be created at Wishadoo but are then shared regularly at a dedicated subgroup here at DU, with periodic OPs in GD (and maybe other groups as well) as is already done.
In previous years, fundraisers required admin permission, which is precisely why I offered the tools at Wishadoo, and got Skinner's blanket permission to post periodically, in order to expedite things. If the admins have any concern still about having fundraising posts being directly created here at DU, this may be the best way to go. And, having a host(s) of a new subgroup dedicated to this could be a HUGE help to me as it concerns DUers' needs/offerings.
So, if the community wants a new subgroup, the form and function of this new subgroup needs to be clear, and hosts need to step forward and propose such a group to AtA. A new subgroup in and of itself requires permission, of course; if the new subgroup is going to be dedicated to fundraising posts, that adds another layer to that permission.
The background, plus more FYI info, is laid out below. But, for those who don't have time to read further, this should summarize this OP/poll.
As always, thanks!
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"This" being helping DUers, member to member.
Please see this thread for background:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023652112#post133
As I've now said repeatedly, I appreciate the replies and thoughtful suggestions and feedback SO VERY MUCH!!! It's this type of interaction that makes DU a true community, imho.
a2liberal's suggestion in that thread is one that has been posed from time to time, and prompts this OP/poll:
1.) See if the admins will agree to a group or forum where DUers who meet certain criteria (time of membership, etc.) can post their own requests
2.) This may seem like even more work on your part at least at first (maybe you could get someone to help you), but it may help to get more help to those who need it. I think some of the "compassion fatigue" comes from having to read all the stories and decide who to give to, resolve all the details of how to give, etc. Perhaps you could solicit some sort of monthly gift from "angels" that a trusted team could then divvy out to DUers in need?
As I replied, that approach may be something for this community to consider. In fact, it feels like now is the time for DU, as a community, to decide on the way forward regarding how we, as a community, want to handle such interactions and requests.
Having a group within DU, as a2liberal and others have suggested over the years (and as some other online communities do), takes Wishadoo out of the equation. And that's okay!!! If there are people willing to host such a group, and if they approach the admins with it and they give permission, that is definitely one way to go.
I want to make it clear here that I would not volunteer to host such a group. I want to work WITH all existing communities, including DU as I have done over the years, but I don't want to confine my Wishadoo-related efforts. I want to expand connections and expand community, not isolate or limit it in any way, so I need to keep my focus in this regard on Wishadoo. Hope that makes sense.
Please see my full reply to a2liberal HERE.
Assuming people want to have a way to help one another as a community, here are the options as I see them. (If you don't want to see such posts here at DU, click ignore!)
1. Create a group within DU where needs/offerings are posted, as a2liberals and others have suggested.
First and foremost, of course, this would require permission from admins, as well as DUers offering to host such a group. It would also entail hosts doing what I do behind the scenes before sharing such posts, including finding a way for electronic payments to be made (which makes it so much easier for most, not all, people). If there isn't a PayPal donate button included (or the widget that I try to include in Wishlist posts), it greatly decreases contributions; simply providing a PayPal address isn't enough, as I've discovered that many people don't understand how to send money unless a donate button is provided. Keeping people updated regarding the process of a fundraiser is another task. There are quite a few elements to consider, but all certainly doable.
2. Continue to use Wishadoo's Wishlist to post needs/offerings, with me creating regular Help a DUer OPs.
Basically, continue as is but work to implement some of the great ideas shared in that Heart-to-Heart thread to make this easier and more effective for all concerned.
The benefit of doing this (for DU and other communities) is that it expands the reach and potential for connections beyond one's existing community.
(BTW, one thing I haven't mentioned in any of my OPs, but is a key part of my bigger vision, is one of the spin-off projects I hope to develop. The focus at Wishadoo is to always try, first and foremost, to find existing resources. DUers are really knowledgeable in this regard, and offering resource suggestions is a HUGE aspect of how I hope you use Wishadoo as you reply to Wishlist posts. In fact, DUers are usually so well-informed in this regard that they have indeed exhausted all avenues (though sometimes others are able to suggest something they weren't aware of) before coming to Wishadoo to create a fundraiser; others outside of DU who come to Wishadoo, however, are often not as knowledgeable about what may be available, or they're simply too tired and beaten down to keep looking. I'm often able to find help for people without a Wishlist post ever being created, and I see that is a key service to provide, along with simply acknowledging others. Being SEEN and acknowledged is, quite frankly, priceless. I need help in doing that, of course. To me, THAT is community.
I want to organize the existing resources into a comprehensive directory which is updated on a regular basis. The bare-bones basics are shown here: http://findhelpdirectory.info/ It's not only to find social services-type, but to find various types of "good" manifesting in the world.
I need programming changes to make the creation of the listings easier on my end; right now it's too cumbersome. I have a huge list of excellent resources and stumble upon new ones each day, but obviously this is a tremendous, ongoing task, yet it could be invaluable in the processing of helping one another.)
Lastly, and this is more of an FYI, if it's decided that a group should be created here within DU (#1), another option is to use one of the many existing dedicated fundraising platforms, like gofundme.com, and post a link to those gofundme individual fundraising pages.
I've considered doing this at Wishadoo myself, since I did not set it up to be a fundraising platform and thus it's more labor intensive to make it work as such unless I make programming modifications.
While the benefits of using these fundraising platforms include expanding the reach and streamlined fundraising tools, there are potential drawbacks to using these third-party fundraising platforms:
A. Privacy. More and more I see they are requiring you to create an account using Facebook, for example (for verification purposes, to avoid scamming), or they don't make your fundraising page public unless you DO use your real name (you can keep the page and share with people, but the larger community doesn't see it, taking away the "reach" benefit). While I greatly appreciate how much easier it makes it for the fundraising platform itself to avoid scammers, I'm also sensitive to the various legitimate reasons why people don't want to give their real name on a public platform for the world to see when they're sharing something so personal. (When using a screen name, they can always share more about themselves when people reach out to connect, privately.)
B. There are fees (5% on average) on top of the PayPal fees. And, I believe gofundme is the only one right now which enables you to get funds quickly, whereas other fundraising platforms generate a check at the end of the fundraising period.
Those two aspects are the reasons why I, personally, am hesitant to go that route regarding people at Wishadoo who need to raise funds, but I offer it as a viable option to be implemented here at DU if a group dedicated to helping one another is created.
So, what say you?
Thanks for reading, and thanks in advance for adding your opinion!
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| Create a subgroup within DU where needs/offerings are posted. | |
4 (44%) |
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| Continue to use Wishadoo Wishlist to post needs/offerings. | |
0 (0%) |
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| A combination of a subgroup + the Wishadoo Wishlist | |
5 (56%) |
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| Other (please explain in comment) | |
0 (0%) |
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| 0 DU members did not wish to select any of the options provided. | |
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as you said, with periodic posts in GD to bring attention to the group (whereas I post in GD to bring attention to the posts on Wishadoo).
If the community overwhelmingly decides to have a subgroup, I hope someone steps forward to essentially take my place in this process. I hope I made it clear that I wouldn't be that person; it would make it harder on me than it already is.
One step at a time.
Thanks, rug!
I could be wrong, dixiegrrrl, but in my experience most people still prefer that as an option.
It's a pain in the butt, no doubt about it (or it can be), but people are more inclined to give to others if there is a PayPal button/widget involved to do so. If they have to send money the old-fashioned way, they're less inclined to do so.
So, doing the fundraisers within DU itself wouldn't remove the PayPal aspect of things. People can still contact those in need to get addresses in order to send money snail mail, just as they do now, of course.
Just want to be sure I'm not missing something or being misleading in how I see things.
Which combines a new group but keeps the Wishlist posts.
That may make life easier for the admins here, not sure. If that would work best for all concerned, it could make life a lot easier for me, too, if a DUer who chose to act as such a group host could work as a liaison of sorts with me as well.
Thanks.
but I just added something to this OP, making it super clear that such a group would have to be approved, and it may not be as straightforward as other new groups.
EDIT to add, I just added another poll option as well.
There are potential complications and implications when a site allows fundraisers, and they always had to be approved in years' past, as you may recall.
The permission granted to use Wishadoo's Wishlist was because, in part at least, it made life easier for the admins at the time.
That may have changed; I'm not sure, to be honest.
We'll see. But I wanted to point out that there's a reason these requests have been posted off site previously.
I'm cool either way, however it works best for people. I'm glad I created this poll for sure, so everyone can weigh in.
Anyway, thanks kimmers. Thanks so much. 
You've created real change in this community. You have made a difference in so many others' lives. I wonder if you had others who would agree to help if there's a way to reach a larger audience? (and yes, I feel guilty that I'm not the one stepping up but I believe I'm not on consistently enough for that job)
K&R
I'm sincere that K&R'ing the Help a DUer OPs and providing feedback is a LOT of help. It's truly priceless.
Yeah, when I realized yesterday (duh, me) that the third option could work out really well -- for everyone, including me -- I've been keeping my fingers crossed that a DUer who is online on a regular basis will step forward to offer to host such a group -- and then ask admins for permission.
If I had someone to help here at DU -- with the DUers who are in need of help (and those offering help in various ways) -- it would free me up to focus on implementing some of the technical changes and outreach to a larger audience.
I need more feedback in this thread before doing anything, but even if I end up being the one to ask about such a group in AtA, having a dedicated space here at DU to gather and lend support to one another, rather than waiting on me to post the periodic OPs in GD, could help everyone.
Duh, me, #2: If a subgroup can't be created here at DU, I can create a separate category specifically for DUers in the Wishlist. That way, people can peruse that category and know everyone there is a DUer.
Lots of options in going forward.
Thanks again...for everything...riderinthestorm.